Our Next President

[ishii]

Absoultely CANNOT! Romney 2012

Amen. Cannot. Romney, 2012.

Ishii

 

[JMJ2013]

Amen. Cannot. Romney, 2012.

Ishii

 

[_Abyssinia]

I’m hoping these poll results hold for the President.

content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2012/03/barack-obama-mitt-romney-cnn-poll-/1#.T3jju5gkftc

National polls are not as reliable as state polls, there is no one national poll in the general election. CNN poll you post mentions the polling done on ‘registered voters,’ not ‘likely voters.’ Polls are most reliable when they are done on ‘likely voters.’ State polls are most reliable. Most of the state polls I have seen show Obama with a slim lead over Romney, for an incumbent president, and the fact that Republicans haven’t even chosen their nominee yet, is not good news for Obama, no matter how you spin it.

 

[_Abyssinia]

I suppose if he was like Mitt Romney and signed into law a health care plan that provides unlimited taxpayer funded abortion and then shook himself like a etch-a-sketch and pretended he was pro-life - I would definitely question his integrity.

In fact, I’d be the first to start calling him Obamney!

Are you purposely trying to lie about Romney or not? I think I have corrected you on this before, there is nothing that Romney could do about funding abortion in Massachusetts, it wasn’t part of RomneyCare, that bill had no abortion language in it whatsoever.

 

[iamrefreshed]

Because some so called Catholics do not give real consideration to what the Church teaches on the principals of voting. Whether they realize it or not, a vote for Barack Obama at the ballot box means they have constituted remote material cooperation or material cooperation with evil, depending on the voter’s reasons for voting.

GetReligion classifies the ‘Catholic Vote’ as this:

getreligion.org/2008/10/catholic-vote-vs-catholic-voters

Simply, you have properly catechized Catholics - they won’t vote for pro abortion, religious liberty impinging candidates. As the article says, the data shows the link between weekly mass attendance and not voting for a political party which opposes important Catholic teaching.

For some, politics trumps religion. I just don’t get it.

 

[mary_bobo]

Romney is not presidential material. Better Santorum as the nominee, because Romney means another four years of Obama and Nancy Pelosi as speaker of the house.

Romney would not be my first choice, but why is he not presidential material?

 

[scipio337]

Absoultely CANNOT! Romney 2012

 

[bellasbane]

For some, politics trumps religion. I just don’t get it.

Mitt Romney is the most pro-choice candidate to ever run for the Republican nomination and Catholics on this forum who claim to be pro-life seen content to ignore the fact that he is responsible for the law that provides unrestricted taxpayer funded abortion in Massachusetts. **Right now, today - taxpayers in Massachusetts are paying for babies to be killed before they can be born, because of a bill Mitt Romney signed into law. **

Catholics are also supposed to be champions of social justice, but the Republican party has abandoned any pretense of a social responsibility to care for the poor in their 2012 “Ryan budget” that guts essential social programs for women and children in order to give tax breaks to the wealthy.

Catholics are supposed to stand in solidarity with one another, but the Republican party opposes sensible immigration reforms like the Dream Act which would provide a path to citizenship for undocumented residents (many of whom are Catholic) who were brought to the US as children and know no other nation or culture.

Catholics are supposed to champion respect and dignity for workers, but the Republican party has launched a war on unions and the right of workers to collective bargaining.

Catholics are supposed to oppose torture, unjust wars, and the death penalty. Yet all of these methods of coercion and death are championed by the Republican party.

There is no “abortion trumps everything” card for Republican supporters in this election - Mitt Romney has done more to expand abortion rights then Obama ever has. Mitt Romney has the blood of thousands of babies on his hands. Obama does not.

Hatred is not a Catholic value. Hatred fueled by lies and distortions is certainly not a Catholic value. Yet this is the game Republican puppet-masters are so deft at playing and “more pious than thou” social conservatives are so quick to embrace.

I don’t get it either.

 

[bellasbane]

Are you purposely trying to lie about Romney or not? I think I have corrected you on this before, there is nothing that Romney could do about funding abortion in Massachusetts, it wasn’t part of RomneyCare, that bill had no abortion language in it whatsoever.

As Governor of Massachusetts, Romney would have known how health care funding worked in the state and that abortions would be covered. He could have done two things:

1. Veto the bill
2. Disavow the bill

He has done neither.

 

[seekerz]

Mitt Romney is the most pro-choice candidate to ever run for the Republican nomination and Catholics on this forum who claim to be pro-life seen content to ignore the fact that he is responsible for the law that provides unrestricted taxpayer funded abortion in Massachusetts. **Right now, today - taxpayers in Massachusetts are paying for babies to be killed before they can be born, because of a bill Mitt Romney signed into law. **

Catholics are also supposed to be champions of social justice, but the Republican party has abandoned any pretense of a social responsibility to care for the poor in their 2012 “Ryan budget” that guts essential social programs for women and children in order to give tax breaks to the wealthy.

Catholics are supposed to stand in solidarity with one another, but the Republican party opposes sensible immigration reforms like the Dream Act which would provide a path to citizenship for undocumented residents (many of whom are Catholic) who were brought to the US as children and know no other nation or culture.

Catholics are supposed to champion respect and dignity for workers, but the Republican party has launched a war on unions and the right of workers to collective bargaining.

Catholics are supposed to oppose torture, unjust wars, and the death penalty. Yet all of these methods of coercion and death are championed by the Republican party.

There is no “abortion trumps everything” card for Republican supporters in this election - Mitt Romney has done more to expand abortion rights then Obama ever has. Mitt Romney has the blood of thousands of babies on his hands. Obama does not.

Hatred is not a Catholic value. Hatred fueled by lies and distortions is certainly not a Catholic value. Yet this is the game Republican puppet-masters are so deft at playing and “more pious than thou” social conservatives are so quick to embrace.

I don’t get it either.

Thanks for putting it into words. Maybe now at least, those who delight in judging the ‘Catholicness’ of Obama supporters, will be more measured in their condemnations. I’m not overly optimistic but there is hope…

 

[RACJ]

Well, after Obama is re-elected I have no idea.

If the angry man in the White House is re-elected, his transformation of America will be complete---into one more destitute socialist nation whose citizens will be left to die under socialized medicine. I guess $5T in fresh crushing debt over 3 years isn't enough to convince you that this guy is destroying YOUR children's future, and what is left of our Constitution. To me, anyone who votes for Obama is horrifyingly naive, at best. :eek::eek::eek: Rob

 

[scipio337]

Thanks for putting it into words. Maybe now at least, those who delight in judging the ‘Catholicness’ of Obama supporters, will be more measured in their condemnations. I’m not overly optimistic but there is hope…

Hey,and when the premise is based on false anologies, its a double-win!!

 

[scipio337]

As Governor of Massachusetts, Romney would have known how health care funding worked in the state and that abortions would be covered. He could have done two things:

1. Veto the bill
2. Disavow the bill

He has done neither.

That means you should like it, right?

Longstanding court precedent requires Massachusetts to cover abortion services in government-subsidized plans,” Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul writes in an email to The Weekly Standard. “Decisions about what services to cover were ultimately determined by the independent Health Care Connector Authority pursuant to the law.”

It’s true that the Massachusetts supreme court ruled in 1981 that the state must fund abortions for people on government health plans such as Medicaid. Twelve other states—including conservative or battleground states such as Arizona, West Virginia, Minnesota, and Alaska—pay for abortions for Medicaid recipients because of state supreme court rulings. Only four states have enacted laws through the legislative process to allow taxpayer funding of abortion

weeklystandard.com/blogs/newt-plans-hit-mitt-romneycare-and-abortion_615071.html

 

[JimG]

If the angry man in the White House is re-elected, his transformation of America will be complete—into one more destitute socialist nation whose citizens will be left to die under socialized medicine. I guess $5T in fresh crushing debt over 3 years isn’t enough to convince you that this guy is destroying YOUR children’s future, and what is left of our Constitution. To me, anyone who votes for Obama is horrifyingly naive, at best. Rob

It seems that the citizenry’s willingness to continue to vote itself unlimited benefits at the expense of future generations is the result of unmitigated narcissism or simple denial. I don’t wish to belive that we are really that selfish, so I tend to believe it is denial. The overhanging debt is simply ignored as irrevelant.

 

[RACJ]

Thanks for putting it into words. Maybe now at least, those who delight in judging the ‘Catholicness’ of Obama supporters, will be more measured in their condemnations. I’m not overly optimistic but there is hope…

Romney, if he is nominated, will receive my vote, ONLY b/c he is not intent on destroying our nation as founded. I think that he will be an awful nominee. He would not buzz NYC with a jet, run the Fast and Furious tragic debacle, reject the Keystone Pipeline from Canada or shut down coal mines, refineries and oil rigs. He would not pay crony capitalists like Solyndra billions in exchange for bundled campaign contributions. He would not misogynistically call Sarah Palin a "pig" or befriend the likes of Bill Ayers, Van Jones, Anita Dunn or Jeremiah Wright, to name just a few of his anti-American radical pals. There IS no good reason NOT to vote against Obama, even if it means voting FOR a guy for whom you have little use. :blush: Rob

 

[scipio337]

Mitt Romney is the most pro-choice candidate to ever run for the Republican nomination and Catholics on this forum who claim to be pro-life seen content to ignore the fact that he is responsible for the law that provides unrestricted taxpayer funded abortion in Massachusetts. **Right now, today - taxpayers in Massachusetts are paying for babies to be killed before they can be born, because of a bill Mitt Romney signed into law. **

Catholics are also supposed to be champions of social justice, but the Republican party has abandoned any pretense of a social responsibility to care for the poor in their 2012 “Ryan budget” that guts essential social programs for women and children in order to give tax breaks to the wealthy.

Catholics are supposed to stand in solidarity with one another, but the Republican party opposes sensible immigration reforms like the Dream Act which would provide a path to citizenship for undocumented residents (many of whom are Catholic) who were brought to the US as children and know no other nation or culture.

Catholics are supposed to champion respect and dignity for workers, but the Republican party has launched a war on unions and the right of workers to collective bargaining.

Catholics are supposed to oppose torture, unjust wars, and the death penalty. Yet all of these methods of coercion and death are championed by the Republican party.

There is no “abortion trumps everything” card for Republican supporters in this election - Mitt Romney has done more to expand abortion rights then Obama ever has. Mitt Romney has the blood of thousands of babies on his hands. Obama does not.

Hatred is not a Catholic value. Hatred fueled by lies and distortions is certainly not a Catholic value. Yet this is the game Republican puppet-masters are so deft at playing and “more pious than thou” social conservatives are so quick to embrace.

I don’t get it either.

Of course!

We should all vote for the “Party of Death”, openly at war with our Bishops.

We should add the War on Womyn™ to go along the"War on The Poor™" “War on the Workers™” and other such nonesense the Party of Death propogandizes.

 

[gnjsdad]

Since under any of the named choices, we’ll end up with more abortion and more war, I cannot vote.

 

[stevegravy]

Mitt Romney is the most pro-choice candidate to ever run for the Republican nomination and Catholics on this forum who claim to be pro-life seen content to ignore the fact that he is responsible for the law that provides unrestricted taxpayer funded abortion in Massachusetts. **Right now, today - taxpayers in Massachusetts are paying for babies to be killed before they can be born, because of a bill Mitt Romney signed into law. **

Catholics are also supposed to be champions of social justice, but the Republican party has abandoned any pretense of a social responsibility to care for the poor in their 2012 “Ryan budget” that guts essential social programs for women and children in order to give tax breaks to the wealthy.

Catholics are supposed to stand in solidarity with one another, but the Republican party opposes sensible immigration reforms like the Dream Act which would provide a path to citizenship for undocumented residents (many of whom are Catholic) who were brought to the US as children and know no other nation or culture.

Catholics are supposed to champion respect and dignity for workers, but the Republican party has launched a war on unions and the right of workers to collective bargaining.

Catholics are supposed to oppose torture, unjust wars, and the death penalty. Yet all of these methods of coercion and death are championed by the Republican party.

There is no “abortion trumps everything” card for Republican supporters in this election - Mitt Romney has done more to expand abortion rights then Obama ever has. Mitt Romney has the blood of thousands of babies on his hands. Obama does not.

Hatred is not a Catholic value. Hatred fueled by lies and distortions is certainly not a Catholic value. Yet this is the game Republican puppet-masters are so deft at playing and “more pious than thou” social conservatives are so quick to embrace.

I don’t get it either.

Nothing like a well nuanced sober analysis. Still drinking the Cool Aid!

 

[stevegravy]

To quote the old Who song, “Meet the new boss same as the old boss.”
Americans will be fooled again, and again, and again. Americans love the dog and pony show these parties put on but at the end of the day the same silliness is packaged with a little different wrapper and the band plays on.

 

[mary_bobo]

If the angry man in the White House is re-elected, his transformation of America will be complete—into one more destitute socialist nation whose citizens will be left to die under socialized medicine. I guess $5T in fresh crushing debt over 3 years isn’t enough to convince you that this guy is destroying YOUR children’s future, and what is left of our Constitution. To me, anyone who votes for Obama is horrifyingly naive, at best. Rob

Naive, or so youthfully idealistic that they can’t see the forest for the trees.