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Indeed, the Democratic party has changed drastically since 1960, becoming the party of abortion, enormous spending, gay marriage–but mainly abortion, which has become central to the party’s identity. I voted Democratic for a long time after 1960 out of habit before I realized that my old party was no more.
I think two things happened. One, the Democrat party embraced the social values of the left- abortion rights, gay rights, etc. While it started in the 50’s it came to fruition during the 70’s, and continues to this day. The other thing that happened was the Democrat party embraced the McGovern wing on foreign policy. Both of those things helped drive away religious catholics.

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Indeed, the Democratic party has changed drastically since 1960, becoming the party of abortion, enormous spending, gay marriage–but mainly abortion, which has become central to the party’s identity. I voted Democratic for a long time after 1960 out of habit before I realized that my old party was no more.
Wasn’t it Ronald Reagan who said"I didn’t leave the Democrat Party,The Democrat Party left me" That said,too many folks are on auto pilot when it comes to party affiliation.
 
OK, at least you are not claiming it was based on something of substance.
Those of us that have studied Sacred Scripture recognize that the two key elements are the syntax and the context. Jesus never said that we were not to help the poor. Quite the contrary, he said how we treat the needy will determine if we go to Heaven or Hell. He only said that as he was preparing to die, the woman who annointed him did not need to give the money to the poor. This could be done later, and we are still under obligation to help the poor, as they are with us always and will need our help.

I would not dismiss the teaching of Jesus, or the teaching of the Catholic Church has being without substance.
 
Oh I know that. But our obligation to the poor is an individual one, not a compulsory one with punitive measure imposed by the state if we don’t comply.
Yes, but we can differ on the best way to accomplish this. Our obligation to help the poor must be something that we are willing to do personally, with our money, with our time and with our vote. In all of these, we can disagree in practice, and allow God alone to judge the heart.
 
If that is true, why are you corresponding on a Catholic site? Guilt??? Your statement is right out of a Protestant handbook. You sound more like a Southern Baptist than a Roman Catholic.
Because everyone is supposedly welcome to participate in the discussion of faith and this particular subforum discusses politics. No I’m further from being Southern Baptist.
 
You aren’t obligated to attend only your “territorial parish.” My son, e.g., can’t stand the music(?) and the homilies at our parish and attends elsewhere. I endure and just offer it up. 😃
I know Rich. Last wk I actually attended another parish I had never frequented before for a weekday morning Mass. 🙂
 
Why is he the default candidate? Why doesn’t an abstention from voting accrue to the GOP candidate?
If I abstained or voted 3rd party for instance for the Green Party, I’d be helping the GOP candidate. I’ve considered it. But I did that in 2010 for governor (voted 3rd party). 3% of us did and we ended up with a Tea Party candidate winning by 1%. That’s why I’ve decided not to do that this time.
 
I can almost guarantee that the Civil War and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 only legally balanced the scales. They actually, in many places, entrenched racial hostility in a lot of people.
True. Wars and laws do not change hearts and minds.

They can, however, protect human beings from enslavement and formalized segregation.

What good would it have been if folks were less racially hostile, if slavery remained?

In a sense, ending formalized injustice is more important that converting everybody’s heart. One is achievable, the other not.

ICXC NIKA
 
True. Wars and laws do not change hearts and minds.

They can, however, protect human beings from enslavement and formalized segregation.

What good would it have been if folks were less racially hostile, if slavery remained?

In a sense, ending formalized injustice is more important that converting everybody’s heart. One is achievable, the other not.

ICXC NIKA
The ends justified the means?
 
The ends justified the means?
I don’t say that.

The Civil War was not, in any case, fought to end slavery. Lincoln himself said that much. Abolition was co-opted to strengthen the northern war effort.

With regard to civil rights law, I’d say that then end does justify the means. One of the basic purposes of law is to protect persons from unjust actions. CRLs achieve that.

Not unjust attitudes. Actions.

ICXC NIKA
 
True. Wars and laws do not change hearts and minds.

They can, however, protect human beings from enslavement and formalized segregation.

What good would it have been if folks were less racially hostile, if slavery remained?

In a sense, ending formalized injustice is more important that converting everybody’s heart. One is achievable, the other not.

ICXC NIKA
A case can be made that the entire south was made slaves to the north, at least during “Reconstruction”. They were forced to do alot of things at the point of a bayonet. So Lincoln freed the black slaves by turning half of the country into slaves. Rather ironic.
 
A case can be made that the entire south was made slaves to the north, at least during “Reconstruction”. They were forced to do alot of things at the point of a bayonet. So Lincoln freed the black slaves by turning half of the country into slaves. Rather ironic.
It’s not slavery if it comes to an end, unlike the very real Negro slavery.

And Reconstruction did not happen because of slavery. Areas that had had slavery (Mo, Tn, Ky, De, DC) but were not engaged in rebellion did not get reconstructed. It happened because a war of rebellion began and was lost. Bad things happen when wars are lost.

General R. E. Lee applied for his US citizenship to be reinstated. The application was nt filed, because someone kept it as a souvenir. But the fact that CSA leaders could apply for reinstatement of citizenship shows that the terms of re-union in the ACW were in fact relatively lenient.

This is a huge digression, so I’m through. ICXC NIKA
 
True. Wars and laws do not change hearts and minds.

They can, however, protect human beings from enslavement and formalized segregation.

What good would it have been if folks were less racially hostile, if slavery remained?

In a sense, ending formalized injustice is more important that converting everybody’s heart. One is achievable, the other not.

ICXC NIKA
Slavery actually didn’t end, at least not for long. Starting with LBJ’s “Great Society,” we now have slavery via the federal government.
 
Slavery actually didn’t end, at least not for long. Starting with LBJ’s “Great Society,” we now have slavery via the federal government.
Do you know what slavery is? Do you honestly believe that we now have slavery in the United States on the order of pre-1865 slavery? Do you really think that the federal government owns slaves?

I’ve heard people say that they have to work very hard because their boss is like Hitler. I am astounded. Like Hitler? Indeed? 🤷
 
Do you know what slavery is? Do you honestly believe that we now have slavery in the United States on the order of pre-1865 slavery? Do you really think that the federal government owns slaves?

I’ve heard people say that they have to work very hard because their boss is like Hitler. I am astounded. Like Hitler? Indeed? 🤷
No, it is much more insidious than chattel slavery. It is slavery by apathetic consent.
 
No, it is much more insidious than chattel slavery. It is slavery by apathetic consent.
Worse than chattel slavery? Really? Read about slavery, including modern day slavery in Africa, and tell me how nice that slavery is.
 
Worse than chattel slavery? Really? Read about slavery, including modern day slavery in Africa, and tell me how nice that slavery is.
Are you telling me that 600,000 American men died and slavery still exists! Say it isn’t so.
 
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