Our Pope says Mercy comes before Judgment

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oppositeman said:
Isn’t judgment also a divine trait? Isn’t repentance a prerequisite to God’s mercy? He should speak more clearly, I think.
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I have thought about this. Yes, repentance is extremely helpful, but I wonder whether it is absolutely necessary for G-d’s mercy. What if, for example, someone else prays for us even though we ourselves do not repent? And even if no one prays for us and we do not repent, might not G-d nonetheless have mercy on us due to His boundless love and wisdom? Perhaps He knows we are not ready to repent, perhaps we are too distraught, too confused, too limited for the time being. G-d perceives our inner heart and our distress as well as our external behavior, and His mercy is well beyond our own and our comprehension. Perhaps we should not place limits on G-d’s mercy, and maybe that is what the Pope means in emphasizing the love of G-d rather than His judgment. Mercy tempers G-d’s judgment, and the former may not only be dependent on our repentance.
 
mikekle said:
How can Mary know when the end of the world will be, this is something even Jesus did not know?
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How’d you get that from what she said? We all know the world will end. All Mary said is that ‘Amelia’ will be in purgatory until that time.
 
meltzerboy said:
I have thought about this. Yes, repentance is extremely helpful, but I wonder whether it is absolutely necessary for G-d’s mercy. What if, for example, someone else prays for us even though we ourselves do not repent? And even if no one prays for us and we do not repent, might not G-d nonetheless have mercy on us due to His boundless love and wisdom? Perhaps He knows we are not ready to repent, perhaps we are too distraught, too confused, too limited for the time being. G-d perceives our inner heart and our distress as well as our external behavior, and His mercy is well beyond our own and our comprehension. Perhaps we should not place limits on G-d’s mercy, and maybe that is what the Pope means in emphasizing the love of G-d rather than His judgment. Mercy tempers G-d’s judgment, and the former may not only be dependent on our repentance.
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it seems to me that if you are correct there would be an example of this in the bible - I don’t know of one - do you? By “skipping” repentance you negate why Christ gave His life and if you don’t acknowledge that then??

I am not placing limits on God’s mercy but attempting to get others to realize that it is dangerous to speak of God’s mercy without context - people who don’t know our faith that well can take it and make it what they want it to be - such as “God will forgive me my sins and for not confessing them because I am too embarrassed”.
 
oppositeman said:
it seems to me that if you are correct there would be an example of this in the bible - I don’t know of one - do you? By “skipping” repentance you negate why Christ gave His life and if you don’t acknowledge that then??
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I am not placing limits on God’s mercy but attempting to get others to realize that it is dangerous to speak of God’s mercy without context - people who don’t know our faith that well can take it and make it what they want it to be - such as “God will forgive me my sins and for not confessing them because I am too embarrassed”.**/QUOTE]

And just who are you that we should listen to you…maybe you should realize that it is also dangerous to presume you know more than the Vicar of Christ
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oppositeman said:
it seems to me that if you are correct there would be an example of this in the bible - I don’t know of one - do you? By “skipping” repentance you negate why Christ gave His life and if you don’t acknowledge that then??

I am not placing limits on God’s mercy but attempting to get others to realize that it is dangerous to speak of God’s mercy without context - people who don’t know our faith that well can take it and make it what they want it to be - such as “God will forgive me my sins and for not confessing them because I am too embarrassed”.
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And the context is who he was speaking to and what he has said about mercy and the need for the Sacrament of Penance in the past. Of course the confusion over whether sin is actually sin and no need to have it absolved in the first place is another matter. But that goes back to the ‘spirit’ of Vatican II. Never mind people who don’t know the Faith. What about the one’s that supposedly do and make it what they want it to be lol.
 
meltzerboy said:
I don’t think Pope Francis meant that mercy comes before judgment in terms of chronological order. He probably meant that mercy is more vital than judgment since it is a divine trait.
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I was thinking that at judgment Jesus might say - “you have prayed a lot for my priests so I will lessen your purgatory” - that is what I was thinking when I posted this.

But in life here Jesus extends His mercy first. I have said already in other responses that making a statement like this without context can be taken wrongly - and apparently I have done so - or have I? We will never know since he didn’t give the context. So a person would assume the context.
 
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