Jim crow lawsSo what exactly has the Democrat Party done for them?
When has anyone said they should?Sorry, but police can not, in my opinion, use fear as an excuse for bad decisions.
Being part of the police is not inherent to someone’s identity. You can leave the police force, you can’t stop being black. Not to mention that the police force, as an institution, is oppressive. Even outside of unjust shootings, they oppress African-Americans. They do nothing to alleviate the economic conditions they find themselves in, maintain the system of capitalism that forces them into that position, and arrest, beat and kill them when they turn to crime as a result of the conditions they find themselves in. Look at how many African-Americans there are in America’s broken prison system, and then tell me that the police are doing them a favour.I do not deny that there is a real issue that should be explored and steps taken to alleviate. Likewise, I know that extensive training and awareness is already done all over the country to combat this problem. However, no one has the right to lump all people together to judge them as a group, be it black people, “All Lives Matter” people, or police officers. The latter is also a real problem in some communities, where any police shooting results in violence and condemnation of the shooting without any facts. Even if the officer is latter exonerate, or even simply found not guilty, the cry remains that the black community cannot get justice. This too is bigotry, and since the same people are decrying bigotry against them, it is hypocrisy.
Even an atheist should recognize the wisdom that any moral code should be universal; that anything one finds to be a wrong against them should not be acceptable for them to do.
The number is 2% of bad police. The police are assertive due to in many cases high crime areas and the law and most significant imposed by the Clintons most notable in te 90s, and others. Profiling in truth is profiling behavior not race. This becomes more obvious in the high crimes areas and for all race because its behavior not race. Its true blacks suffered the most from our laws and sentencing and further social services. But any people of color subjected to the system also became a part of this penal machine regardless of color. By the time Clinton left ex offenders had no access to really any social services as they were banned. Further the persistent offender law-3 strikes etc, meant a person with two prior felony convictions could be sentenced to double the max sentence, same with minor crimes. In effect the minor crimes were handled most severely and due to preponderance of them had a major impact. People returning to court with two minor larceny convictions could be sentenced to 5-years for a third. So stealing a pack of cigars could in effect result in a 5-year sentence.Being part of the police is not inherent to someone’s identity. You can leave the police force, you can’t stop being black. Not to mention that the police force, as an institution, is oppressive. Even outside of unjust shootings, they oppress African-Americans. They do nothing to alleviate the economic conditions they find themselves in, maintain the system of capitalism that forces them into that position, and arrest, beat and kill them when they turn to crime as a result of the conditions they find themselves in. Look at how many African-Americans there are in America’s broken prison system, and then tell me that the police are doing them a favour.
Not all police, as individuals, are bad, but the police as an institution is oppressive. It is not a career I would recommend for anyone.
what would you recommend to replace the institution?Being part of the police is not inherent to someone’s identity. You can leave the police force, you can’t stop being black. Not to mention that the police force, as an institution, is oppressive. Even outside of unjust shootings, they oppress African-Americans. They do nothing to alleviate the economic conditions they find themselves in, maintain the system of capitalism that forces them into that position, and arrest, beat and kill them when they turn to crime as a result of the conditions they find themselves in. Look at how many African-Americans there are in America’s broken prison system, and then tell me that the police are doing them a favour.
Not all police, as individuals, are bad, but the police as an institution is oppressive. It is not a career I would recommend for anyone.
Saying this is one thing. Evidence would be better. So, where Democratic majorities have controlled state legislation, are is black unemployment lower, fewer people requiring government assistance, less crime, etc. These would be things that intelligent people would look to in order to evaluate success. Words and promises are cheap. So other than “support”, what is actually done for the black communities in the dates which are predominately Democrat?I think it’s pretty safe to say close to 90% of African Americans have not been duped.
“Inherent to one’s identity”? That is a unique criteria, and one I have never heard before, to justify prejudice. I simply do not agree and reject that one person can define what is legitimate prejudice and what is not, based on what they want to stereotype.Being part of the police is not inherent to someone’s identity. You can leave the police force, you can’t stop being black.
Begging the question, obviously. In fact, it is one of the most blatant cases of begging the question I have seen.Not to mention that the police force, as an institution, is oppressive. Even outside of unjust shootings, they oppress African-Americans.
The police also do nothing to help maintain the highway system.They do nothing to alleviate the economic conditions they find themselves in, maintain the system of capitalism that forces them into that position, and arrest, beat and kill them when they turn to crime as a result of the conditions they find themselves in.
Again, you are mistaken, or do not understand, the role of police. They send no one to prison. That would be the judges, juries and the legislatures of this land. More to the point, or broken system is a result of the will of the people who still see incarceration as a panacea to all the ills of society. Until we decide, as a people, that enough is enough with the mass imprisonment, nothing will change.Look at how many African-Americans there are in America’s broken prison system, and then tell me that the police are doing them a favour.
Then you should not complain, unless of course you are an anarchist that believes in having no police.Not all police, as individuals, are bad, but the police as an institution is oppressive. It is not a career I would recommend for anyone.
I think what has generally been asked is not a removal and replacement of the institution, but an ending of certain policies. Especially those that dis-proportionally affect minorities. When Hilary Clinton sat with some people in the Black Lives Matter movement and had a rather passionate discussion she had asked what they wanted someone to do ; you can change policy but you can’t legislate people’s hearts. Shortly after that they expressed that they wanted policies that touched on 10 areas.what would you recommend to replace the institution?
The officers are also human beings who did not deserve to be threatened by a criminal with a firearm. No matter what anyone tries to say about them, or about the violent criminal who was killed, that will always be true.A
Alton Sterling was a human being who did not deserve to be killed by police. No matter what anyone tries to say about him, or about the cop(s) who killed him, that will always be true.
I too live in an area where the police have an overall positive relationship with the community. I find this list fairly good, but with a few exceptions. For example, community oversight/representation, would depend on the definitions given, and how the community is represented. One thing that is clear to me is that every time there is a shooting, the most ignorant in the community are the most vocal. Oversight needs to be informed and knowledgeable oversight. Also, those who do represent the community need to be willing to take the responsibility, that is, the blame for bad decisions. Too often community leaders push for a change in policy, then blame the police when the change goes awry.
- End Broken Windows Policing
- Community Oversight
- Limit Use of Force
- Independently Investigate and Persecute
- Community Representation
- Body Cams/Film the Police
- Training
- End for Profit Policing
- Demilitarization
- Fair Police Union Contracts
In these stories, there is no community. The community is formed by families and there are no families. Rallying around someone with a loudspeaker is a parody of community, but it is all that remains. That is the real tragedy.I too live in an area where the police have an overall positive relationship with the community.
Oh? Because, while I’ll admit that many of these impoverished neighborhoods have been decimated by disinvestment, drugs, and the like, they are most definitely still communities.In these stories, there is no community. The community is formed by families and there are no families. Rallying around someone with a loudspeaker is a parody of community, but it is all that remains. That is the real tragedy.
Those are just he headings. There’s a page for each one of those items on the site that gives more detail and definition. For example demilitarization is more specifically defined as ending the federal governments 1033 program. The site references H.R.1232 - Stop Militarizing Law Enforcement Act,I find this list fairly good, but with a few exceptions. For example, community oversight/representation, would depend on the definitions given, and how the community is represented.
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Use of Force and demilitarization are too vague to be of any use.
I will check further into each. Thanks.Those are just he headings. There’s a page for each one of those items on the site that gives more detail and definition. For example demilitarization is more specifically defined as ending the federal governments 1033 program. The site references H.R.1232 - Stop Militarizing Law Enforcement Act,
Okay. Most are good. Some reflect lack of understanding of law enforcement. Some are downright ridiculous, reflecting a treatment of police in a manner they would never tolerate being treated themselves.I will check further into each. Thanks.
There are two other items:Okay. Most are good. Some reflect lack of understanding of law enforcement. Some are downright ridiculous, reflecting a treatment of police in a manner they would never tolerate being treated themselves.
Those of us who remember when “Death Wish” could be considered a documentary on life in NYC have no wish to return to the 1970s.I think what has generally been asked is not a removal and replacement of the institution, but an ending of certain policies. Especially those that dis-proportionally affect minorities. When Hilary Clinton sat with some people in the Black Lives Matter movement and had a rather passionate discussion she had asked what they wanted someone to do ; you can change policy but you can’t legislate people’s hearts. Shortly after that they expressed that they wanted policies that touched on 10 areas.
The belief expressed is that this will address a number of the issues and may have benefits to more than just minorities. There are also policies that seem to be more specific to certain areas. For example I believe it was NYC in which there had been complaints of police routinely using stop-and-frisk more often on minorities, but that hasn’t necessarily been an issue in other areas.
- End Broken Windows Policing
- Community Oversight
- Limit Use of Force
- Independently Investigate and Persecute
- Community Representation
- Body Cams/Film the Police
- Training
- End for Profit Policing
- Demilitarization
- Fair Police Union Contracts
I live in an area where the people and the police seem to have a positive relationship. The police are part of and interact with the community and are often times conversational. In speaking with an attorney for a judge at one of the local court houses though I’ve been told that there are still policies and scenarios that can have a disproportionate affect on minorities. Minorities tend to be less wealthy. When a fine is required for a non-criminal offense (let’s say a traffic violation) a person can find themselves in jail for being unable to pay. This is more likely to happen to a minority. After the person is released an ambiguous record of their arrest can easily be found by searching for the person’s name. I say ambiguous because it often has a description of a few words and can easily be interpreted as more dubious than it actually is. People don’t necessarily distinguish between jail time and prison time and that arrest record can have impact on employability.
The nation does have a history of policies that have had disproportional affects on minorities and police violence against minorities. The climate under which the Black Panther Party was formed was an environment in which minorities were routinely stopped more and a simple traffic stop could result in violence (the full name of the party was “The Black Panther Party of Self Defense”). Declarations that force was unequally applied against minorities either from police or from the community can be found in songs that still survive (“Strange Fruit” by Billie Holiday and more than one song by NWA come to mind).
The police need to improve their marksmanship. Takes a LOT of practice.Okay. Most are good. Some reflect lack of understanding of law enforcement. Some are downright ridiculous, reflecting a treatment of police in a manner they would never tolerate being treated themselves.