Outrage after video captures white Baton Rouge police officer fatally shooting a black man

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pnewton said:
Okay. Most are good. Some reflect lack of understanding of law enforcement. Some are downright ridiculous, reflecting a treatment of police in a manner they would never tolerate being treated themselves.
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On the other hand, black on black crime is WAY out of sight. Ten times worse than any white related crime.

Chicago has perfect gun control, yet it is a killing field.
 
Deep_Roots said:
Oh? Because, while I’ll admit that many of these impoverished neighborhoods have been decimated by disinvestment, drugs, and the like, they are most definitely still communities.

I teach at a school in the neighborhood where the Baltimore unrest was centered.

That’s an actual community despite its woes.
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They burned down their own community shops and stores.
 
Paganus said:
In these stories, there is no community. The community is formed by families and there are no families. Rallying around someone with a loudspeaker is a parody of community, but it is all that remains. That is the real tragedy.
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Community can refer to a group of people either living in the same area or a group of people having shared interest and goals. Ex: “gay rights community.” A group of people gathered around someone with a message that resonates with them may be a community in a the latter of those two senses of the word.

The reference to the loudspeaker makes me think of another incident in history within living memory with a small movement (an anti-technology pro-animal rights group named “Move”) that took place during 1985. The people in the movement objected to some of their members being held in prison since 1978 with what was considered an unfair trial about the murder of a police officer (note: later some of the members of this group were absolved as the police was actually killed by a bullet from another police). They engaged in behaviour that was overall annoying and obnoxious. They had a building in which all the members lived from which they would should their feelings through a bull horn. The neighbors complained finding the actions harassing and also cited sanitation issues and possible child neglect.

While it is believed that police action was warranted, there is disagreement with the police’s response. The police evacuated the area and brought in a fire truck with a deluge-gun and police armed with military weapons whose use had been banned for use in Philadelphia. A statement was read telling them to evacuate the house. They refused. Tear gas and water from the deluge-gun was used to try to force the people out of the house (higher humidity is said to make tear gas more effective). It didn’t work. It had been stated that the MOVE members started firing automatic guns (no automatic guns were recovered from the house, there were 4 guns in the building that were not capable of automatic fire). After the police fired 10,000 rounds at the house and the members having not been evicted another plan was used. A bag with a 45-second detonator and four pounds of Tovex and C-4 plastic explosives were dropped on the roof from the helicopter. Two minutes after the explosive there was a sustained smoke coming from the building. The police decided to let the fire burn. They mayor sent a command to extinguish the fire. The police commissioner was aware of and had received the order and was with the fire commissioner. According to the fire commissioner the message was never relayed to him.

The collateral damage of the eviction included 61-65 other houses burning down and the deaths of 5 children and 6 adults. The only people to escape the building alive were a woman and a child.
 
Monte_RCMS said:
They burned down their own community shops and stores.
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The whole community was not burned down. Don’t exaggerate. And as King said “riots are the language of the unheard.”

Not condoning violence, but I understand it.

Of course, your response is entirely irrelevant to the point anyway.
 
ThinkingSapien said:
End Broken Windows Policing
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That will make bad communities even worse.
Community Oversight
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Untrained civilians Monday morning quarterbacking the police is part of the current problem.
Limit Use of Force
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Graham v Connor already set very reasonable guidelines.
Independently Investigate and Persecute
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The Left, BLM and the media are already persecuting the police.
Community Representation
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That is what mayors, aldermen, and Sheriffs are for.
Demilitarization
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Disarm the criminals first.
Fair Police Union Contracts
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We finally found a union that the Left wants to bust.
 
So we’re clear. Everyone in this thread knows now that we’re all (myself included) just trafficking in ideological and political debate right?

None of you actually believe your answers to be “Catholic answers” right?

I mean we can all make the argument that our positions are born out of our faith – fine – but no one really thinks your positions are the Catholic ones, right?

Because a lot of folks that started off trying to cloak their posts in religious devotion are not just essentially revealing themselves to just be normal, standard republicans.
 
Deep_Roots said:
So we’re clear. Everyone in this thread knows now that we’re all (myself included) just trafficking in ideological and political debate right?

None of you actually believe your answers to be “Catholic answers” right?

I mean we can all make the argument that our positions are born out of our faith – fine – but no one really thinks your positions are the Catholic ones, right?

Because a lot of folks that started off trying to cloak their posts in religious devotion are not just essentially revealing themselves to just be normal, standard republicans.
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You’ve been posting here for three years. Don’t tell me you are just now figuring that out.
 
Deep_Roots said:
The whole community was not burned down. Don’t exaggerate. And as King said “riots are the language of the unheard.”

Not condoning violence, but I understand it.

Of course, your response is entirely irrelevant to the point anyway.
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Did I write “the whole community”?

I could have been confusing Baltimore with Ferguson.

Which one was it where the mother saw her son on television and went down and slapped him silly.
 
starshiptrooper said:
That will make bad communities even worse.
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Are you responding to the titles of what they request or the content that is associated with those titles? I am not expressing agreement or disagreement with what you have said, but just wanted to know.
 
ThinkingSapien said:
Are you responding to the titles of what they request or the content that is associated with those titles? I am not expressing agreement or disagreement with what you have said, but just wanted to know.
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My phone had trouble with the link so I was just responding to the main points. However after skimming them over, I believe that my responses are still relevant. If you want to discuss them in depth, I will be happy to respond when I have access to my computer in a few hours.
 
starshiptrooper said:
My phone had trouble with the link so I was just responding to the main points. However after skimming them over, I believe that my responses are still relevant. If you want to discuss them in depth, I will be happy to respond when I have access to my computer in a few hours.
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Thanks, but I was just curious.
 
Deep_Roots said:
So we’re clear. Everyone in this thread knows now that we’re all (myself included) just trafficking in ideological and political debate right?

None of you actually believe your answers to be “Catholic answers” right?
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I post both, just to be clear.
 
So … why is it that NO ONE is addressing the reasons why black on black crime is ten times worse than any other “kind”.
 
Monte_RCMS said:
So … why is it that NO ONE is addressing the reasons why black on black crime is ten times worse than any other “kind”.
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If you are talking about being addressed within this discussion it could possibly because it wasn’t the topic of this thread.
 
Monte_RCMS said:
So … why is it that NO ONE is addressing the reasons why black on black crime is ten times worse than any other “kind”.
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👍 I think we should honestly evaluate this issue in relation to the Democrats optics in politics and resolution …
“[T]he DNC joins with Americans across the country in affirming ‘Black lives matter’ and the ‘say her name’ efforts to make visible the pain of our fellow and sister Americans as they condemn extrajudicial killings of unarmed African American men, women and children,” the resolution states.
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msnbc.com/msnbc/dnc-passes-resolution-supporting-black-lives-matter

When we say extrajudical we are understanding this to be not legally authorized. However that said we already know the police are not the issue and confirmed by Obama and recent studies.

washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/11/no-racial-bias-police-shootings-study-harvard-prof/
 
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