Outrage over John Wayne interview

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Victoria33 said:
I read the interview, Wayne clearly used a negative epithet about gays, one might even hear once in awhile today. That is unequivocal. To that, I think he was probably uninformed, in error, crude, bigoted. That’s a clear case, if one wants to get on John Wayne, I think it would be those words he used in discussing the movie ‘Midnight Cowboy’. Otherwise, the other is speculation.

I wonder what it says about those insisting those other words are “racist” while they don’t include how he described, I assume, gays.
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Maybe I’ll get a chance to read that part. But I do remember that Hugh Hefner was in the forefront of the “gay rights” movement back when nobody was. Hefner was a total libertarian when it came to sex and defended homosexuality every way there was to do it. That was, of course, consistent with his life generally. I have sometimes thought Hefner was probably the most influential man of the 20th Century. The harm he did was incalculable.
 
I had an uncle that was in the Navy and fought against the Japanese. I was his favorite neice until I began driving vehicles like Toyota and Honda. That really upset him that he fought against the Japanese during wartime and now their cars were being sold here in the U.S.

My uncle was born around 1915 @ niceathiest. And he was a democrat.

That generation believed America was great and by the 1960’s and 1970’s probably didn’t like the changes they were seeing in our country.
 
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Again, I will be concerned over John Wayne’s playboy interviews when others are bothered by the Jefferson Memorial. Can’t get much more racist than buying and selling other races.

For the record, neither bother me.
 
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F_Marturana said:
So don’t vote for Obama or watch any of his films.
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Wayne said outright disparaging epithets on gays, no speculation required. It really makes one wonder, why they would not pick the obvious but try to force calling someone racist. Does it not bother someone if gays are called names?

@gracepoole
 
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Roger Sterling from Mad Men has a conniption about the firm representing Honda motorbikes.

His character was a WW II veteran.
 
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You have quoted me, yet I have not mentioned gays at all or racism.

Am I obliged to buy the Duke boxed set of films?
 
F_Marturana said:
Roger Sterling from Mad Men has a conniption about the firm representing Honda motorbikes.

His character was a WW II veteran.
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I guess I missed that episode. Evidently my uncle was not alone in his prejudices
then.
 
Did you watch that program? It was around the time there was the scene with Peggy riding around in a circle on a Honda motorcycle in a large empty sound stage.
 
I watched the show, but not every season.
This scene does not bring up any memories. I forgot what channel it was on, but there were a couple of years I did not have cable.
 
I watched it on Netflix, after it was over. So I don’t remember what channel. I think AMC.
 
I think it was AMC, so I guess I missed that season where this episode aired.
 
Victoria33 said:
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F_Marturana:
So don’t vote for Obama or watch any of his films.
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Wayne said outright disparaging epithets on gays, no speculation required. It really makes one wonder, why they would not pick the obvious but try to force calling someone racist. Does it not bother someone if gays are called names?

@gracepoole
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I’m unclear about why you’ve tagged me here. Am I being asked a question?
 
Ridgerunner said:
Hefner was a total libertarian when it came to sex and defended homosexuality every way there was to do it. That was, of course, consistent with his life generally. I have sometimes thought Hefner was probably the most influential man of the 20th Century. The harm he did was incalculable.
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Yes. In the early days of the magazine each issue ran an upfront editorial by Hefner titled “The Playboy Philosophy.” I remember thinking at the time, why does he need a philosophy to justify printing photos of naked women. The philosophy was basically that with respect to sex, anything goes. But it took him several thousand words over a number of issues to say it. Mothers objected and their teenage sons assured them that there were great articles. But the culture bought the philosophy hook, line, and sinker. It still does, and has even expanded on it. Anything goes, and that’s how we got to where we are today.
 
Your uncle was not the only one.

Those who experienced World War 2 and have witnessed the atrocities of the Japanese army hate the Japanese.

When I lived in Korea, a lot of the elderly hated Japan.
 
Related to our disapproval of the opinions of historical figures:

In an interesting article in Imprimis, Roger Kimball, Editor of The New Criterion, wrote that what he calls “the monument controversy” involves not just art works ( removing statues of people of whom we disapprove, like Robert E. Lee) but “is an attack on the past for failing to live up to our contemporary notions of virtue. In the background is the conviction that we, blessed members of the most enlightened cohort ever to grace the earth with its presence, occupy a moral place superior to all who came before us. Consequently, the defacement of murals of Christopher Columbus-- and statues of other historical figures like Teddy Roosevelt-- is perfectly virtuous and above criticism since human beings in the past were by definition so much less enlightened than we.”

However, we may not come off so well in the history books, since we’re in the process of enshrining infanticide as callously as the ancient Romans who left their infants out for the wolves.
 
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