Outside the Church there is no salvation

[nancy_dalrymple]

Thank you for the various links, I was wondering about that. Will read later.

I just see so much “evidence” of the Holy Spirit in my Prostestant friends, that it is quite clear. They are so “full” of love for God. We agree on so many things that only God could point us in way of the Truth in.

I am participating in another thread which concerns a certain type of sin, and we agree also what the Truth is in this matter. If they did not have the Truth or the Holy Spirit or Jesus within them, they could not discern this matter or speak the same words I speak, they could not know the Truth.

Maybe they have not been apprised yet of the graces of the Catholic Church and need to be lead to them so as to understand and possibly want more of it.

NO! Ladybrd, your friends have the truth in them it is the catholics that cannot see this. there is salvation out side the church God does not have a one tract mind he wants all to go to heaven not just some who wear labels. Love of Christ Nancy

 

[ladybri77]

This is the problem with this whole perfidious “Spirit of Vatican II” rubbish. The documents of the Second Vatican Council were NOT a rupture with the past. In fact, you must view them through the lens of Sacred Tradition in order to fully understand them. They CANNOT stand on their own. Many a Catholic has made the terrible mistake of reading those documents as if they were defining some new Church - as if they were a break with the past. This is what the Holy Father refers to as the “hermeneutic of rupture” which is absolutely wrong. Since they were written so ambiguously, you can take any number of meanings away from them unless you view them as a continuity of past Church teaching. Think about it … the Church cannot break with truth. What was sacred in the past, what was true in the past, what was holy in the past, is still sacred, holy, and true now. The Church has been here for 2000 years. Vatican II is only 40 years old. You cannot discard 1900 years of teaching and all of the previous Councils… moreover, there can be no conflict between Vatican II and the previous Councils. It is the hermeneutic of continuity to which we should aspire.

I see where you are coming from concerning the second Vatican council and the first.

I do know the reason we are both called “Christians” is because of our mutual love for the Lord which is a very good and powerful thing. What if, then, it is possible for our Christian friends to get into heaven. In the same vein, what if the above teaching of Vatican I is true. There are many scriptures, however, which say if one does God’s will, will enter the kingdom of heaven, if one believes that Jesus is the Savior, will enter. “If one eats My Body and Blood will enter heaven”. (Notice I emphasize if one Eats My Body and Blood - Catholic church), I feel that as all these are true and if one does all of these things, they will enter the kingdom of heaven, period.

 

[dcastlen50]

Well I deny them all! I am sick of fighting with catholics and their dogmatic religion. No matter what I say or do here i am in trouble someone is right there to jump down my throat, i dont know how you can win anyone to the lord with the additudes you people have, you fight with each other and with guests and with people trying to make a statement. i find none of you are of one spirit you are all differnt, all seperate spirits one say’s one thing the other say’s the other how do you expect me or anyone to learn from mixed up people?

Sounds like a Protestant chuch I used to be in.

 

[nancy_dalrymple]

Sounds like a Protestant chuch I used to be in.

I think I should go to a Baptist forum and see if they argue like here, and put you down all the time. the only time i can be right is when I agree with someone all the time.

 

[golfjack]

This thread has been very confusing to me. To say that the Catholic Church determines on who is saved is not only ridiculous, but Biblically dis-honest. No church can do that, not even my denomination. If one accepts what Jesus did on the cross, and believes in his heart, and confesses with his mouth, then one is saved. Pretty simple, Huh?
Peace, Golfjack

 

[nancy_dalrymple]

This thread has been very confusing to me. To say that the Catholic Church determines on who is saved is not only ridiculous, but Biblically dis-honest. No church can do that, not even my denomination. If one accepts what Jesus did on the cross, and believes in his heart, and confesses with his mouth, then one is saved. Pretty simple, Huh?

    Peace,   Golfjack

There are people who think that if they dont believe in everything the church teaches and are so scared to make a mistake, that they feel they are going to hell, it is hard to live in fear.

 

[dcastlen50]

This thread has been very confusing to me. To say that the Catholic Church determines on who is saved is not only ridiculous, but Biblically dis-honest. No church can do that, not even my denomination. If one accepts what Jesus did on the cross, and believes in his heart, and confesses with his mouth, then one is saved. Pretty simple, Huh?

    Peace,   Golfjack

Are you saying that you are correct - true - or rather your proposition is correct - true - because it (your propostion) is simiple? Is simplicity the heart of truth? Or are you saying that your formula is easy and if something is easy it is truth?
Simplicity = Truth ?
Ease = Truth ?
These are not your basis for your conclusion, are they?

 

[dcastlen50]

There are people who think that if they dont believe in everything the church teaches and are so scared to make a mistake, that they feel they are going to hell, it is hard to live in fear.

“…if they don’t believe in everything the church teaches and are so scared to make a mistake, that they feel they are going to hell…” are you saying that is Catholic dogma?

 

[ladybri77]

This thread has been very confusing to me. To say that the Catholic Church determines on who is saved is not only ridiculous, but Biblically dis-honest. No church can do that, not even my denomination. If one accepts what Jesus did on the cross, and believes in his heart, and confesses with his mouth, then one is saved. Pretty simple, Huh?

    Peace,   Golfjack

What if He does give salvation to those who love Him and profess faith in Him?

Why aren’t priests and Catholics in general yelling in the streets that the only way to heaven is through the Catholic church if they truly care about people’s salvation? I know the importance of eating His Body and Blood in that it leads to entrance into heaven, but what about those who don’t?

 

[nancy_dalrymple]

“…if they don’t believe in everything the church teaches and are so scared to make a mistake, that they feel they are going to hell…” are you saying that is Catholic dogma?

God never gave us a spirit of fear but of a sound mind. I noticed all catholics fear life and death and alot of things fear breads fear. I lived in enough fear when i was growing up and was catholic, I have a memory of this now and i cannot live in fear i want to live in love and peace.

 

[dcastlen50]

What if He does give salvation to those who love Him and profess faith in Him?

Why aren’t priests and Catholics in general yelling in the streets that the only way to heaven is through the Catholic church if they truly care about people’s salvation? I know the importance of eating His Body and Blood in that it leads to entrance into heaven, but what about those who don’t?

We’re coming brother!:hammering:

If you’re a Catholic get on board, the trip going to be great!!! Painful but joyeous!!! Some misspelling along the way!
Praise the Lord for the One Holy Catholic Church!!!
You may not have noticed God’s church The One Holy Catholic Church is exploding nowkpeople:

 

[ladybri77]

What if He does give salvation to those who love Him and profess faith in Him?

Why aren’t priests and Catholics in general yelling in the streets that the only way to heaven is through the Catholic church if they truly care about people’s salvation?

Maybe because the real truth lies in knowing Jesus and that is the only way to get into heaven, and the other things He talks about in scripture. That is why people shout in the streets about Jesus, know Jesus! so they will enter into heaven. It’s all about Jesus.

 

[nancy_dalrymple]

We’re coming brother!:hammering:

If you’re a Catholic get on board, the trip going to be great!!! Painful but joyeous!!! Some misspelling along the way!
Praise the Lord for the One Holy Catholic Church!!!
You may not have noticed God’s church The One Holy Catholic Church is exploding nowkpeople:

It’s lunch time take a break!

 

[dcastlen50]

Maybe because the real truth lies in knowing Jesus and that is the only way to get into heaven, and the other things He talks about in scripture. That is why people shout in the streets about Jesus, know Jesus! so they will enter into heaven.

God bless you, Lady Bird
There is no better way to have a relationship with Jesus than the Holy Mass. Open your soul up to His church. He is coming after you, Lady Bird; when you discover His Mass you will explode with the love for Him as you never thought possible.

Come on in Lady Bird. God loves you.

 

[ladybri77]

God bless you, Lady Bird
There is no better way to have a relationship with Jesus than the Holy Mass. Open your soul up to His church. He is coming after you, Lady Bird; when you discover His Mass you will explode with the love for Him as you never thought possible.

Come on in Lady Bird. God loves you.

I’m already there!

 

[Tradycja]

(Edited) The meaning of “No Salvation Outside the Church” does not mean that someone will be damned for not knowing about the Church or just by sin of unbelief alone, but from OTHER mortal sins that they commit.
God will not hold people to something that they do not know. Those of “good will” will be lead to enter the Church before they die.

Remember, Jesus came to earth for a reason…to save us from hell and forgive sins! How do you receive forgiveness from sins without the sacrament of Penance? If we Catholics who have all the sacraments and have devotion to the Mother of God, are in doubt whether we have EVER had a perfect act of contrition, how can we expect those who are not in Church to have perfect contrition?

Anyone who is outside the Ark will perish in the flood, so hop on in!
"She is Catholic also with respect to places, or to Her reach and diffusion throughout all the world, clasping to Her breast all groups of people without distinction of nations, classes, ages, or sexes. In all times, in all countries, and in all groups of people where She is found, She has held, and will continue to hold, one and the same Faith, one and the same doctrine or morality, and one and the same form of government under the Roman Pontiff. And Her members, wherever they are found, will always be united by the same beliefs, by the same hope, and by charity, being alive by grace. Thus, She embraces all those who are to be saved. For She is another ark of Noah. Outside of the ark everyone drowned in the flood; and so also will everyone drown or be damned who does not choose to enter into this mystical ark, the Church of Jesus Christ. “Who does not have the Church for a mother,” says Saint Cyprian, “cannot have God for a father.”*

Catechism of Saint Anthony Mary Claret

 

[ladybri77]

No one is trying to jump at you, well at least I am not. The meaning of “No Salvation Outside the Church” does not mean that someone will be damned for not knowing about the Church or just by sin of unbelief alone, but from OTHER mortal sins that they commit.
God will not hold people to something that they do not know. Those of “good will” will be lead to enter the Church before they die.

Remember, Jesus came to earth for a reason…to save us from hell and forgive sins! How do you receive forgiveness from sins without the sacrament of Penance? If we Catholics who have all the sacraments and have devotion to the Mother of God, are in doubt whether we have EVER had a perfect act of contrition, how can we expect those who are not in Church to have perfect contrition?

They believe you can ask God directly for forgiveness, and He will forgive you. I believe this also and ask Him, but I also like to receive the sacrament of Reconciliation for a special grace in receiving forgiveness for my sins.

 

[nancy_dalrymple]

They believe you can ask God directly for forgiveness, and He will forgive you. I believe this also and ask Him, but I also like to receive the sacrament of Reconciliation for a special grace in receiving forgiveness for my sins.

Jesus can be found everywhere, he lives in your heart.Love of Christ Nancy

 

[dcastlen50]

Jesus can be found everywhere, he lives in your heart.Love of Christ Nancy

Nancy, you are so right. Read the first pages of the first chapter of the Catechism. Now, once you find him you want to be all the more closer, don’t you? Jesus, our Lord and savior gave us Himself in communion and the sacraments. You can be even closer. Don’t give up this chance, Nancy. You can not be a lone ranger and be a Christian and there is no better place than the communion of saints at the Mass. Come on aboard.

 

[thechristian]

NO…there is no salvation outside of the church. I though salvation was by grace not by baptisum.

God bless