Overpopulation topic for Liberalsaved

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I make no comment on your 3 kids. That is your choice. I have two kids and I decided that was enough. My wife was really unhappy with me until our oldest became a teen. Then she actually thanked me for making a good decision. Okay, maybe I have sinned. I’m sure that the Church says I have sinned. But I’m real happy with my decision.
I don’t understand how choosing to have a number of kids you feel you can raise would be a sin. That’s exactly the solution I support; that we alter other conditions in the world that allow people to do just that, and to know they can do that.
 
I have always been opposed to taking up more resources than you need. I know some people who farm food on their extra acres, or some who make actual use of it in other ways, but the majority just look at it outside their windows. I’m a nature lover, so buying a nice, quiet plot of land so you can have a place to relax is perfectly logical to me. But when you do things like get mad if kids cross your land, or use that land solely to increase the surface beauty of your own home, it seems selfish and shallow to me.
A few weeks ago my husband suggested that we put a vegetable garden in the front of the house. I thought he was nuts, then I saw a television segment regarding that front yard was a new concept, especially in suburban developments after WWII. How many people really use their front lawns for even recreational purposes? We live on a small parcel of land, and the front gets the best light so we are digging up the overgrown hedges and growing our garden there next season.
 
A few weeks ago my husband suggested that we put a vegetable garden in the front of the house. I thought he was nuts, then I saw a television segment regarding that front yard was a new concept, especially in suburban developments after WWII. How many people really use their front lawns for even recreational purposes? We live on a small parcel of land, and the front gets the best light so we are digging up the overgrown hedges and growing our garden there next season.
Aaaarrrrggghhh. Better check with your city people first, though.
My husband and I put out yard into vegetables one year and the city slammed us with fines. Some cities have rules as to what can be planted and what can’t.
A friend of ours decided to turn his yard into a butterfly habitat. All native plants and very expensive to do. City mowed his “weeds” down for him and let him pay the bill. A generous bill at that.
So check first then happy planting!
 
Yes, American zoning laws that were once to protect health and safety of the residents have turned into snob zoning to keep up “property values” and keep undesirables out. In Massachusetts they are building 55+ housing that cost upwards of 500k a home the convenants in the deeds only allow “two” people to live in a 3000 sq ft home.
 
A few weeks ago my husband suggested that we put a vegetable garden in the front of the house. I thought he was nuts, then I saw a television segment regarding that front yard was a new concept, especially in suburban developments after WWII. How many people really use their front lawns for even recreational purposes? We live on a small parcel of land, and the front gets the best light so we are digging up the overgrown hedges and growing our garden there next season.
That’s great! And produce grown yourself can be much healthier than mass-produced stuff. One of the things you should look into is alternate ways of managing and protecting the things you grow, without using pesticides or preservatives. I incidentally find it tastes better, too.
 
Yes, American zoning laws that were once to protect health and safety of the residents have turned into snob zoning to keep up “property values” and keep undesirables out. In Massachusetts they are building 55+ housing that cost upwards of 500k a home the convenants in the deeds only allow “two” people to live in a 3000 sq ft home.
If I ever built a house, I’d make sure I was outside any particular town’s jurisdiction. The idea of not being able to use my land for anything productive like that is absurd to me.
 
They do? Well, I can solve my contribution to that sort of thing easily enough.

I’ll go withdraw my membership in all such organizations now.

I’m looking through my records. I haven’t found any such memberships so far.

Still looking…
My apologies, I didn’t mean to imply that you supported any (pop control) organizations or that you even support abortion- I haven’t read all your posts but it seems you don’t.

I personally think the problem soon will be too litlle people, not too many people, as Europe is imploding demographically and
The U.S would do so too, without immigration.(Too many aged people to support and not enough young workers) And as one above poster put it- population is a very fragile thing.
I have many friends and family that think overpopulation is still a problem(and don’t necessarily support abortion)
I don’t think most stable families have more children than they can support even in the third world.
(an exception to this would be a guy that has 12 kids from 12 different women and won’t take responsibilty for them, but that’s a fallout from the sexual revolution.)
 
It might be a problem with non-Muslim populations in Europe, but Muslim populations are growing rapidly in Europe.

This is not true for the US. The US fertility rate is 2.09 children born/woman (2006 est.) Population growth rate is 0.91% (2006 est.)
The first of your statements is, no doubt true, but hardly heartening, but in any event is not sufficient to prevent decline without additional immigration. In any event, the collapse of the native populations still demonstrates the point. Perhaps your point is that negative population growth invites immigration and replacement of the existing population if, indeed, there are immigrants available. Possibly you feel that’s a good thing.

I could be mistaken, but I believe if it were not for immigration, the U.S. population would be in slight decline. If not literally true, it’s very close. I am not a population expert, but if you think about it, the birth rate you cite is actually an increase of .09%. It strikes me as very doubtful that is sufficient to make up for childlessness of some, early death of others. In any event, the U.S. birth/woman average would include immigrant groups with much higher birth rates. Even Mexico, as I understand it, is very close to ZPG now, however. Immigration is really not an answer to the decline of particular populations, particularly if it only represents a shift from one locale to another.
 
If I ever built a house, I’d make sure I was outside any particular town’s jurisdiction. The idea of not being able to use my land for anything productive like that is absurd to me.
Once you get outside a town or city then you are under the county’s jurisdiction which can be even more restrictive than the city’s. In our county you must have at least 1/2 acre to build and you must be 50’ from the nearest road. You also get things like neighbors renting their extra space as storage for campers, boats, old cars, etc., not a pretty sight. So be sure to check things out before you abandon the city or town. In the county you are also on well and septic. If your well runs dry or the septic overflows you can be in for major expenses.
 
If only Christians were as fervent in prayer as they, there wouldn’t be any of them.
The 2 Muslims I know personally are the most secular people in the world. One goes to the mosque only on their holiest days and I would bet the other could not find a mosque if her life depended on it.
 
The 2 Muslims I know personally are the most secular people in the world. One goes to the mosque only on their holiest days and I would bet the other could not find a mosque is her life depended on it.
Really? Well, if two people not being very devout are enough to qualify an entire religious group, then Christianity is way past the breaking point.

But I’m sure it’s different with Muslims. Whereas you simply write off “Cafetaria Catholics” as basically not counting, those two Muslims are probably indicative of the whole.
 
Really? Well, if two people not being very devout are enough to qualify an entire religious group, then Christianity is way past the breaking point.

But I’m sure it’s different with Muslims. Whereas you simply write off “Cafetaria Catholics” as basically not counting, those two Muslims are probably indicative of the whole.
Don’t put words in my mouth! I was simply stating that the Muslims I know don’t live in a Muslim dominated country and they are not religious. Where have you ever seen me ‘simply write off “Cafetaria Catholics” as basically not counting’? You can’t, so stop spreading falsehoods. By the way when I do drive through Muslim areas of Chicago I never see lots of people down on prayer rugs praying, when you do see one the other people are just walking around that person, so I know it is prayer time by the 3 or 4 people you do see praying.
 
Don’t put words in my mouth! I was simply stating that the Muslims I know don’t live in a Muslim dominated country and they are not religious. Where have you ever seen me ‘simply write off “Cafetaria Catholics” as basically not counting’? You can’t, so stop spreading falsehoods. By the way when I do drive through Muslim areas of Chicago I never see lots of people down on prayer rugs praying, when you do see one the other people are just walking around that person, so I know it is prayer time by the 3 or 4 people you do see praying.
A few posts ago you basically said Muslims never do anything worthy. Not terrorists, not Muslim extremists, Muslims. You began the line of thought by generalizing. I’ll feel bad about my assumptions when others start recognizing theirs.
 
Just an observation based on US Census Bureau statistics census.gov/ipc/www/world.html -
  • Today, the world population is estimated to be 6,547,309,738.
  • In 1960, the world population was 3 billion people.
  • In 2050 the US Census Bureau estimates that there will be over 9 billion people in the world.
  • When Jesus walked the earth the world population was less than 1 billion. ldolphin.org/popul.html
It’s not a question of current population growth being a myth. The fact is the world is already overpopulated. To be more precise, there is not enough land to sustain the current population much less the other members of God’s creation. Just because we can mathematically cram everyone into Texas, it doesn’t mean this would be an intelligent thing to do.

I am reminded of a town on Long Island, NY that had enough forest to sustain a herd of 50 deer. Because humans had eliminated the natural predators, the deer herd grew to 500. Some deer became a menace invading people’s homes, some were sickly and some starved to death.

When I read about gangs from the inner-city and the violent life they lead, I wonder how much is due to the stress of the innner-city situation - just like the deer.

Just an observation.
Go with Love, Go with God!
 
Just an observation based on US Census Bureau statistics census.gov/ipc/www/world.html -
  • Today, the world population is estimated to be 6,547,309,738.
  • In 1960, the world population was 3 billion people.
  • In 2050 the US Census Bureau estimates that there will be over 9 billion people in the world.
  • When Jesus walked the earth the world population was less than 1 billion. ldolphin.org/popul.html
It’s not a question of current population growth being a myth. The fact is the world is already overpopulated. To be more precise, there is not enough land to sustain the current population much less the other members of God’s creation. Just because we can mathematically cram everyone into Texas, it doesn’t mean this would be an intelligent thing to do.

I am reminded of a town on Long Island, NY that had enough forest to sustain a herd of 50 deer. Because humans had eliminated the natural predators, the deer herd grew to 500. Some deer became a menace invading people’s homes, some were sickly and some starved to death.

When I read about gangs from the inner-city and the violent life they lead, I wonder how much is due to the stress of the innner-city situation - just like the deer.

Just an observation.
Go with Love, Go with God!
Precisely. There is not enough land for everyone we have and everyone that will be born to survive comfortably. There are many ways we can fix this, and no one is suggesting abortion. At least not that I know. But also, no one seems to be stepping up to offer land and resources they own but don’t need to help curb the problem, as evidenced by the ridiculous wastes of land on things with no purpose but greed or vanity.
 
Many population control activists are strongly in favor of sterilization of women in Third World countries.

Eugenics laws began all the way back in the 19th century, in order to prevent the birth of “inferior” children-- meaning those produced by criminals, blacks, “imbeciles”, and immigrants. Mentally handicapped and autistic women have also been routinely sterilized.

In 1973, Essence Magazine published an expose of forced sterilization practices in the rural South, where racist physicians felt they were performing a service by sterilizing black women without telling them.
You may want to check this link
http://againsttheirwill.journalnow.com/

The United Nations Population Fund in its association with the National Population Council of Mexico supports involuntary sterilization and coercive family planning in Mexico. According to Mexico’s National Human Rights Commission “Public health servants have imposed methods of family planning on the native population without their consent and without informing them of the risks.”

Planned Parenthood the leader in promoting “a women’s right to choose” has been linked to forced sterilization. Frederick Jaffe, who was the head of research at Planned Parenthood, proposed “compulsory sterilization for those who have already had two children” in a memo entitled “Examples of Proposed Measures to Reduce U.S. Fertility.” Alan Guttmacher himself, who was the president of Planned Parenthood for over a decade, stated, “Each country will have to decide its own form of coercion, determining when and how it should be employed.”

Population control groups have a very ugly history of how they want to save the world’s resources from the cancer called the human race.
 
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