Padre Pio saw Martin Luther in Hell?

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Perhaps Luther was a madman. But let’s not equate physical things like obesity (remember Thomas Aquinas?) or addictions with madness. I suspect lots of very holy people are those who fight these things day in and day out.

Now, obsession with bodily waste…hmmm…
 
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which means they are at least incorporated to the Body of Christ, if not perfectly united.
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The church makes it quite clear that they are not perfectly united. Otherwise I agree. The last thing we need is Protestants thinking we all think they all go to hell.
 
I’ve never heard of Aquinas being fat. I’ve heard of him being large, as in, tall and just big, but never fat.
 
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I think the words of Fr. Faber are an apt reminder on this point.

Fr. Frederick Faber:

"The crowning disloyalty to God is heresy. It is the sin of sins, the very loathsomest of things which God looks down upon in this malignant world. Yet how little do we understand of its excessive hatefulness! It is the polluting of God’s truth, which is the worst of all impurities.

Yet how light we make of it! We look at it, and are calm. We touch it and do not shudder. We mix with it, and have no fear. We see it touch holy things, and we have no sense of sacrilege. We breathe its odor, and show no signs of detestation or disgust. Some of us affect its friendship; and some even extenuate its guilt. We do not love God enough to be angry for His glory. We do not love men enough to be charitably truthful for their souls.

Having lost the touch, the taste, the sight, and all the senses of heavenly-mindedness, we can dwell amidst this odious plague, in imperturbable tranquillity, reconciled to its foulness, not without some boastful professions of liberal admiration, perhaps even with a solicitous show of tolerant sympathies.

Why are we so far below the old saints, and even the modern apostles of these latter times, in the abundance of our conversations? Because we have not the antique sternness? We want the old Church-spirit, the old ecclesiastical genius. Our charity is untruthful, because it is not severe; and it is unpersuasive, because it is untruthful.

We lack devotion to truth as truth, as God’s truth. Our zeal for souls is puny, because we have no zeal for God’s honor. We tell men half the truth, the half that best suits our own pusillanimity and their conceit; and then we wonder that so few are converted, and that of those few so many apostatize.

We are so weak as to be surprised that our half-truth has not succeeded so well as God’s whole truth. Where there is no hatred of heresy, there is no holiness."
 
There are many claiming to be Catholic while openly promoting protestantism(here and elsewhere). The duty of preaching the gospel was given to the apostles and the Magisterium is the authentic intrepretor of scripture(not individual people). It doesn’t seem to me that the televangelists come from the apostolic line. It’s concerning to have seen self-descibed Catholics promoting them.
 
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I’ve never heard of Aquinas being fat. I’ve heard of him being large, as in, tall and just big, but never fat.
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It’s news to me, too. I guess all the icons I’ve seen of him were only from the neck up, though.
 
Just said a prayer for the repose of the soul of Martin Luther. Maybe he’s in Purgatory. There’s no way to really know. If he is, I would bet him being freed from Purgatory and then interceding for the Church on earth would do wonders in bringing reunification between Lutherans and Catholics 😀
 
As this “vision” is opposed to the Church’s practice of not saying anyone is in Hell (by name), calling it fishy is an understatement. I do not see God leading the Church one direction, then slipping over to some guy or gal in an opposing direction.
 
Then you know more about it than the Church teaches. We don’t know what happens in souls as they approach death. It’s entirely possible that not only is God more just than we are, but also more merciful.
 
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People who die in unrepented mortal sin go to Hell.

But we have absolutely no way to know who these people are, as individuals.

And so we pray for all the living and the dead.
 
Aulef said:
First, knowing that there are people in hell and that they are the majority is enough.

Second, yes, we do know many people who are in hell: the majority of nazi and communist soldiers that died in war, suicidal terrorists, criminals killed during an act of robbery, heretics and heresiarcs who refused to change even on their deathbed, sinners who died during the great flood, sinners of Sodom and Gomorra, drug addicts who died of overdose, almost all of the suicidals, and so on
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Doesn’t the fact that you are expulsing non-Catholic teaching make you some kind of heretic? Remember in your act of self righteousness that when you point out someone who surely is in hell that there are three fingers pointing back at you. There is lots of room in the “so on.”
 
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