Padre Pio saw Martin Luther in Hell?

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St Cyprian in his treatise on unity does not have kind thinks to say about the sowers of discord. Martin Luther was a sower of discord and schism(as well as his sympathizers). We are United by one faith holy, Catholic and apostolic.
 
I don’t know more than the Church teaches because it was the Church that taught me people in state of mortal sin unrepented go to hell.
 
Aulef said:
I don’t know more than the Church teaches because it was the Church that taught me people in state of mortal sin unrepented go to hell.
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The Church doesn’t teach you which individuals are in Hell, nor who has repented as death approached. Yet you listed groups that comprise millions of people, and claimed “we do know” they are in Hell.
Your opinion, not Church teaching.
 
Logic, my dear colleague. Logic.

A terrorist who died in battle sure is in hell. I’m sorry for you if you can’t see it. And I pray for your illumination, too. It’s important for people to understand whether they are able to identify this state of enmity with God
 
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Logic, my dear colleague. Logic.

A terrorist who died in battle sure is in hell. I’m sorry for you if you can’t see it. And I pray for your illumination, too. It’s important for people to understand whether they are able to identify this state of enmity with God
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Possibly. You are nit the final authority on whether they – or anyone else – repented before death.
And the Church does NOT teach that all drug addicts go to hell, or all suicides, as you claim. Your attitude toward them is in direct contradiction to God’s love and mercy. You might want to try reading the words of Jesus someday.
 
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The Church has never stated with definitive assurance that anyone is in hell, not even Judas. If anyone has stated so I personally would not trust it.
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I never understood this. Sacred Scripture (Divine Revelation) has called Judas the Son of Perdition.

John 17

And now I am no more in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to thee. Holy Father, keep them in thy name, which thou hast given me, that they may be one, even as we are one. While I was with them, I kept them in thy name, which thou hast given me; I have guarded them, and none of them is lost but the son of perdition, that the scripture might be fulfilled.

Matthew 26

The Son of man goes as it is written of him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! It would have been better for that man if he had not been born.
 
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We have no exact certitude Judas is in hell, but we do have an exact certitude of what will get us there. We also have an exact certitude of Christs forgiveness, as his ultimate sacrifice covers sins that we could never see fit to forgive, sins too grave to imagine forgiveness.
We will never know if Judas repented before his death, hence the Church has never made the declaration Judas is in hell.
 
I don’t believe Jesus would talk like that about someone who would receive His grace

But I don’t need to worry about it. It’s tragic.

I just don’t understand how anyone can interpret that as Judas reconciled and is with Him.
 
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I’m too worried about my own forgiveness and grace. If you have difficulty with the Church not making a formal declaration (the statement in question) of any man being in hell…You should address it to an address in Vatican City, Rome. ciao’
 
That wasn’t my point at all!

My point was that Jesus Himself already has! I won’t deny Him. You can imagine He meant something else.

Vatican has no interest in addressing the fate Jesus told us.
 
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If you read my initial address, it is poignantly clear. My post states that The Church has never declared that anyone is in hell…NOT EVEN JUDAS…

This was accurate at the time I wrote it, and it is accurate now. The Church has never declared anyone is in hell.

Now, argue all you like, include the biblical quotes as well, but the Church does not say Judas, Hitler or anyone else is definitively in hell.,…and this includes the Early Church.
 
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This article on EWTN does provide some insight to how we can think about the question. Basically, it is entirely reasonable, given the evidence in Scripture, to believe that Judas is probably in hell. However, we cannot know that with absolute certainty.

That said, we should hope that he is in heaven even if he, more than anyone else in history, appears lost.
 
I used “lost” though I did mean a strong word that could potentially get flagged as profanity (I don’t know the specific rules on each word). Maybe “hopeless” would have been a better choice.
 
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However, we cannot know that with absolute certainty.
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That is what this is about. It is my understanding the church cannot imply to know God’s mercy on a soul, or the condition of a souls desire for forgiveness at the time of death, not with absolute certainty.
 
per·di·tion
  1. (in Christian theology) a state of eternal punishment and damnation into which a sinful and unpenitent person passes after death.
“While I was with them, I kept them in thy name, which thou hast given me; I have guarded them, and none of them is lost but the son of perdition, that the scripture might be fulfilled”
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Here are 4 dogmas of the Catholic Church. All Catholic are required to believe them.

The Sacramental confession of sins is ordained by God and is necessary for salvation.

The Sacrament of Penance is necessary for salvation to those who, after Baptism, fall into grievous sin

For children before the age of reason, the reception of the Eucharist is not necessary for salvation

I am not making any judgments. But these dogmas are not too hopeful for protestants who reach the age of reason and decide to stay outside the Church
 
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As far as I know there is no evidence that Padre Pio had this so-called vision…it was hearsay from someone who said they knew him or something like that. It sounds to me more like someone using Padre Pio for their own reasons.

Is Martin Luther in Hell?
 
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hmmm… something tells me that my Lutheran friends would not appreciate this 🤔
 
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