Palestinians Admitted to Unesco in Landslide Vote

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“We Palestinians and Jews do not need to learn how to live together. We just need to remember how we used to live together for centuries and centuries.” -Archbishop Elias Chacour
Javier, you give me hope with this beautiful quote.

To all who debate here, either pro Palestinians, or pro Israelis, may I suggest the book “I am a Palestinian Christian” ( amazon.com/Am-Palestinian-Christian-Mitri-Raheb/dp/080062663X/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1320384588&sr=1-1-catcorr )
 
“We Palestinians and Jews do not need to learn how to live together. We just need to remember how we used to live together for centuries and centuries.” -Archbishop Elias Chacour
It was fine, when Arabs ruled the land, and Jews and Christians lived as 2nd class citizens (see every other Muslim majority nation in the region).
 
It was fine, when Arabs ruled the land, and Jews and Christians lived as 2nd class citizens (see every other Muslim majority nation in the region).
That’s right.
It would be simplistic to romanticize the past as some kind of Golden Age or perfect peace and harmony.
 
“We Palestinians and Jews do not need to learn how to live together. We just need to remember how we used to live together for centuries and centuries.” -Archbishop Elias Chacour
I think the Jews do remember. That is why they want their own country.
 
It was fine, when Arabs ruled the land, and Jews and Christians lived as 2nd class citizens (see every other Muslim majority nation in the region).
Do you have any evidence for that claim whatsoever? I have never seen or heard of any such account from either a Palestinian Christian or a member of Palestine’s small pre-Zionist indigenous Jewish community.

What I do know is that our Palestinian Christian brethren are treated just as badly as their Muslim co-inhabitants by the Israelis. I personally have heard testimony from an elderly Melkite Catholic priest about being unable to open his Church for Divine Liturgy because of gun-toting Israeli soldiers, of being abused, stripped and humiliated at checkpoints while trying to travel to outlying areas, of being refused permission to visit Jerusalem to meet with his Bishop for over ten years. I also know of the Orthodox priest brutally martyred by extremist Israeli settlers at the very site of Jacob’s Well.

Muslim-Christian violence is almost non-existent - Yasser Arafat was married to a Christian woman, and a disproportionately high number Christians are involved at the highest levels in the Palestinian Government (far more so than Muslims in Western Europe). Indeed, one of the few incidents reported in recent years is now strongly rumoured to have been a hoax. There is also a small Samaritan Jewish community remaining in the West Bank, who in spite of their their tiny size have been afforded independent national representation.

The real ‘second-class citizens’ are the entire Palestinian people, penned inside a fraction of their historical homeland, barred from using the most direct roads to heir homes and unable to leave their houses at night - we should stand by them, especially our Christian brethren. I know of one parish in Liverpool, England which has instituted a close relationship with a Latin Rite Parish in Nablus, including reciprocal visits by their respective parish priests - given the fragility of the Palestinian Christian community, our support would be well received.
 
Do you have any evidence for that claim whatsoever? I have never seen or heard of any such account from either a Palestinian Christian or a member of Palestine’s small pre-Zionist indigenous Jewish community.

What I do know is that our Palestinian Christian brethren are treated just as badly as their Muslim co-inhabitants by the Israelis. I personally have heard testimony from an elderly Melkite Catholic priest about being unable to open his Church for Divine Liturgy because of gun-toting Israeli soldiers, of being abused, stripped and humiliated at checkpoints while trying to travel to outlying areas, of being refused permission to visit Jerusalem to meet with his Bishop for over ten years. I also know of the Orthodox priest brutally martyred by extremist Israeli settlers at the very site of Jacob’s Well.

Muslim-Christian violence is almost non-existent - Yasser Arafat was married to a Christian woman, and a disproportionately high number Christians are involved at the highest levels in the Palestinian Government (far more so than Muslims in Western Europe). Indeed, one of the few incidents reported in recent years is now strongly rumoured to have been a hoax. There is also a small Samaritan Jewish community remaining in the West Bank, who in spite of their their tiny size have been afforded independent national representation.

The real ‘second-class citizens’ are the entire Palestinian people, penned inside a fraction of their historical homeland, barred from using the most direct roads to heir homes and unable to leave their houses at night - we should stand by them, especially our Christian brethren. I know of one parish in Liverpool, England which has instituted a close relationship with a Latin Rite Parish in Nablus, including reciprocal visits by their respective parish priests - given the fragility of the Palestinian Christian community, our support would be well received.
I’d be happy to respond right ater you define for me to opposing term for dhimmitude?🤷
 
I’d be happy to respond right ater you define for me to opposing term for dhimmitude?🤷
I fail to see the relevance of the word ‘dhimmitude’ in a Palestinian context. The main reason for the decline of the Christian population in Palestine is simple - the Israeli occupation. The priest I mentioned in my last post elaborated upon this in considerable depth, and any scholarly source you can find will no doubt tell you the same. (As an aside, this is an interview with the priest, if anyone’s interested)

The Christian Community in Palestine has declined in relation to the Muslim one for three reasons:

a) The Christian community has traditionally been quite prosperous and business-orientated. Therefore, the decimation of the Palestinian economy has had a very harsh affect on them. Also, the remnants of that prosperity means that generally they are more financially able to move abroad.

b) Christians generally find it easier to integrate in the West. Apart from the obvious religious reasons, because of the Christian community’s commercial orientation, Christians are more likely to be fluent in English or French than Muslims.

c) The birth-rate among Christians remaining in Palestine is only about half of the Muslim average.
 
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