Pandemic 2020: Layoff Related Deaths Exceed COVID-19 Deaths By 41%

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It would seem to me that we are killing ourselves faster by our actions.
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I am not seeing what your perceptions are based on. But I hope there is more to them than the material in this link.

Cordle CFA, who provides investment research and analytic support for investors in the airline and related industries, seems behind the curve on fatalities, and on what IMHE is projecting. I do appreciate that for the first time, AFAIK, there is a link here to quantitative assessment of the cost of the lock down, with a bar graph in color, no less. But the essay is skimpy on methodology. Is Linked in a peer reviewed journal?
 
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Observation, I believe we are seeing more crime now. Unfortunately, I believe I have heard news of police officers being shot at as well, these past few days.
 
When considering shutdowns, we need to have compassion for the poverty that would result.

Suicide and the Economy

"We never spoke of them. Why would we?" Learning the the truth about my great-grandfather, and 40,000 Americans during the Great Depression
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Suicide and the Economy
“We never spoke of them. Why would we?” Learning the truth about my great-grandfather, and 40,000 Americans during the Great Depression.
As the express rounded the curve, my great-grandfather jumped down from the platform, where witnesses reported he had been pacing for 10 minutes, and lay down across the tracks.
When the engineer was finally able to halt the train 100 feet past the platform, Roy Humphrey had disappeared beneath its wheels. His last act: raising his head to look at the oncoming train.

Roy was one of at least 40,000 Americans who took their own lives that year and the next, the two-year span that suicide rate spiked to its highest recorded level ever: more than 150 per 1 million annually.

Suicide is not strongly correlated to the economy, but to unemployment. In the modern era, for every 1 percent increase in the unemployment rate, there has typically been an increase of about 1 percent in the number of suicides, according to Steve Stack, a professor at Wayne State University.
 
Layoff related death estimates? Now there is a reliable estimate. Lol
I get the difficulty with Covid related because we know the insufficiency of testing. But layoff related? What about less traffic accidents. Do you subtract?
 
Probably as accurate as COVID projections, or the data about COVID deaths globally. But hey, if you want to finally take a stand on making insane decisions using spotty data, I welcome you to our side.
 
As Fauci says, they are estimates. And the projected increase is soft also. But he does trust the significant adjusting upward.
 
And if you are going to be selective in which deaths you choose to care about (being an expert in neither, COVID or the reams of historical data on economic death tolls), doesn’t that simply announce your bias?

Again, its great that you care about some people’s lives. It’d be better if you cared about all of them.
 
The best case scenario would be a partial return to work, and a significant uptick in Covid death.
It seems just as likely we will have another shut down. Increasing Covid death with no gains economically or your unemployment death.
Your optimism has not transferred to me. We will see what the future brings.
 
On one hand, this Vaughn Cordle, CFA, who wrote the article, decries the “overestimate” of covid-19 deaths as stated by experts. On the other hand he offers his own “estimate” of how many extra will die from suicide from the shutdown. I wonder why I should give any weight to this CFA’s opinion on what this unprecedented event might be going forward?
 
I am wondering if suicide, because spouses are spending more time together, is caused by the lockdown, or marital problems.
Using football terminology, maybe you count like a half a sack
 
Given there is historical data to support both, why would you cherry pick one set, unless your goal is to destroy people’s lives? That’s no different than the people who ignore the science and believe this is a hoax.

Deaths being tied to economic impacts are well-documented in history, and there is plenty of data on that. If you want to ignore that, go ahead, but if so, it just highlights that not every actually believes “we are all in this together.”

Some are, and some are not.
 
If I have a terribly weak heart, contract COVID, and my heart gives out, it is a COVID death.

If I have a frail psyche, am forced into lockdown and I commit suicide, it is a lockdown death.

At least for how we are defining the impacts of this pandemic.
 
You will have to ask the people whose lives are impacted, which isn’t you, by your own admission.

I suggest talking to people who actually get affected by the things you promote.
 
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Given there is historical data to support both, why would you cherry pick one set, unless your goal is to destroy people’s lives?
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I’m not sure the historical data does support the quantitative estimates made by the author. I would put more weight on his assessment of the risk of suicide due to economic impacts if he were a public health professional. But he is a CFA. I would trust what he says about my chances in the stock market or how to balance my portfolio, but I don’t think he has any special expertise in the causes of suicide. As I said, a public health expert would know better.
 
Don’t tell me I am not impacted because I don’t whine. Of course I am impacted.
You can have your own opinion, but you can’t have mine.
 
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