Papal candidates - Short List?

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Brendan_64 said:
The secular world and the People of God are not two separate entities…
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No one is suggesting this. We’re talking about roles. The Pope intersects with secular culture, as do all the People of God, but to suggest that secular culture is his priority is a distorted understanding of his role. You may wish that it were so, but the papacy doesn’t wish it.
 
Needs to be a strong Pope who isnt afraid of hurting anyones feelings. Strict to the doctrine and having it enforced and if people leave the Church over it pray that they will see the way back. But it is time to crack down on the lack of teaching and enforcement on every level. Make sure that people know the Church will not change and can not be changed on matter slike Gay marriage and Abortion and such. Enforce the doctrine and rules on all members. and If anyone in office neglects enforcing the rules and speaking up for them then remove them from their position until they see the errors of their ways.

I know I sound like a hard case and I am. But we can not let popular opinion and politics continue to influence the Church. Making a comment here and there is not enforcement. God doesn’t change and his teachings cant not be changed to fit the life styles people want to live. People have to change their life style to fit Gods will !
 
Elizabeth502 said:
No one is suggesting this. We’re talking about roles. The Pope intersects with secular culture, as do all the People of God, but to suggest that secular culture is his priority is a distorted understanding of his role.
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We don’t just intersect with secular culture we are all part of secular society. There is not two separate societies, secular and religious, there is one society and we are all part of it. Within that society there is a battle of values, ‘secular’ and ‘religious’, and at the moment ‘secular’ values are predominating.
Elizabeth502 said:
You may wish that it were so, but the papacy doesn’t wish it.
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Are you speaking on behalf of the papacy, or just expressing your own personal opinion?
 
BillyT926 said:
But I think pragamatism is important. We need Saints sure, but we need a Saint who is also disciplined, a great manager, and a guy who gets things done.

It’s tough because we don’t want to look at that temporal side of the job, but it’s real and important. We’ve had saintly men in the Chair of Peter over the past 150 years or so, but we’ve had few great managers of the Church.
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I agree with you but in the role of His Holiness, a “Saint” is very practical indeed.

Of course it is premature to start using the term in earnest about any of these men. That is for the Holy Sprit to decide.

But to use a real case Blessed John Paul II, was indeed immensly practical.

The three Cardinals that , in all humility, I called great men have shown immense practicality. AS I am sure mmany of the other papabile.

I am sure we are all praying for the “right man” but I am also sure that many of us have a soft spot for one or more than one of the Cardinals.
 
_Abyssinia said:
youtube.com/watch?v=ECP9CqofHGY

Link to the clip is listed here

cbc.ca/player/News
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Thank you. I do like Cardinal Oulette’s manner and what appears to be realistic humility. Of course he knows he’s “on the list” to pretend otherwise would sound phoney. But he’s clearly not pitching or trying to advance his candidacy. I see in the Cardinals if there is the desire to become Pope, it’s not for the trappings or power or prestige but because of their servant’s heart and a desire to serve the Church and the people of God. Although the media is trying very hard to make this akin to a presidential election, the Cardinals are comporting themselves with amazing dignity, good humor and loving spirits.

Apparently Cardinal Dolan will be providing daily short updates, not on what was said but procedurally what is occurring.

I have heard several quoting St Thomas Acquinas in that they want the deliberation to be slow but the decision to be quick.

Lisa
 
LisaA said:
Thank you. I do like Cardinal Oulette’s manner and what appears to be realistic humility.
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Me too.

If Satan fell from heaven by pride alone, humility alone lifts man to heaven. ~Saint John el-Daragi
 
Here is an interview with Cardinal Sean O’Malley! As noted Cardinal Timothy Dolan has been the supposed front runner among Americans but lately Cardinal O’Malley has received more attention.

ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/interview-cardinal-sean-omalley:confused:

***What do you see the main issues in this conclave?

Certainly the question of the central government of the church is very important.

Then, in the global church there’s so many different issues with which the Holy Father has to grapple – the rise of Islam, the Islamization of Europe, secularization of the West, the growth of the church in Africa and Latin America, how we’re going to prepare for the evangelization of China, the future of religious life and the priesthood in all these places where there are shortages of priests and religious. All those issues come into play, it’s not just one.

That’s why the selection of the pope is so important, as well as the kind of team he’ll be able to assemble around him in his curia to aid him in his ministry.

Let’s go back to the central government of the church. Why is that important at this particular time?

The curia is relatively small for the task that it has, but it’s the only way the Holy Father is able to interact with so many different facets of the church, our institutions and regions and so on. Greater coordination among the dicasteries themselves is important, and greater efficiency in dealing with the problems, so as not to thrust the Holy Father into the midst of all these controversies.***
 
Brendan_64 said:
We don’t just intersect with secular culture we are all part of secular society. There is not two separate societies, secular and religious, there is one society and we are all part of it. Within that society there is a battle of values, ‘secular’ and ‘religious’, and at the moment ‘secular’ values are predominating.

Are you speaking on behalf of the papacy, or just expressing your own personal opinion?
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I believe that her point is a clear and accurate expression in that the Church certainly exists " in the world " , but it is surely not " of this world."

This clear line of demarcation is precisely why a genuine tension exists between the Church and the secular world. The differences between the two shall remain immutable until the time of the Apocalypse.
 
The HS will guide the Cardinals to a conlusion wiser than ours.

But I must say that I was deeply deeply moved by the evidently gifted Cardinal Tagle.

Deeply moved.
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He is a man of God.

I can add no further.
 
_Abyssinia said:
The next pope and secularism: Cardinal Stafford explains
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Thanks for the video!

I enjoyed listening to Cardinal Stafford speak. This man has great foresight: it was he who warned of the use of torture in Iraq ten years ago.

With attacks on Russian Orthodox churches, the vandalism in cemeteries in the Ukraine, the constant verbal abuse from the anti-theists like Dawkins…

It seems that so many who campaign for “freedom from religious” aren’t being entirely honest.

The don’t want to be free from it. They want to rid the world of it.😦

I hope and pray that the next pope will continue the struggle against this rising tide.
 
_Abyssinia said:
New pope must be tough on sex abusers

The next pope and secularism: Cardinal Stafford explains
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Very interesting. Cardinal Stafford comments that secularism is the disinheritance, particularly with respect to the younger generation, from history, from God, from the concept of family, from interaction with the sacred. These are all causes promoted by secularists. He doesn’t have an antidote to the poison in our society. But he said the next Pope will have to deal with the advances of secularization throughout the world.

Lisa
 
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