Papal Mass in DC (was it me or was the music crazy?)

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April 25, 2008

Benedict and Beauty


By Richard John Neuhaus
In my commentary here and in my coverage of the papal visit with Raymond Arroyo on EWTN, I had occasion to make somewhat critical remarks about the way the Mass was celebrated at Nationals Park in Washington. My observation that New York, by way of contrast, did itself proud was quite untouched by my notorious New York chauvinism.

In response to my comments, we received hundreds, if not well over a thousand, emails, letters, and references on the blogosphere. I estimate that they ran about five-to-one in favor of what I had said. Responses by church musicians were overwhelmingly favorable. But those in the minority expressed deep outrage. Some took my remarks as criticism of Pope Benedict. My point was that the Washington style of celebration flew in the face of much that Benedict has written about liturgy and music. Others complained that my comments insulted the musicians and choirs who were very sincere in doing their thing, no matter what others thought of it. No doubt. But most of those in the minority charged me with elitism and snobbery in trying to impose my musical and liturgical tastes on others.

Where to begin? The matter of taste—or, if you will, aesthetics—enters into it, no doubt. But the problem with the way the liturgy and music was handled is that it focused attention on the gathered people and the performers rather than on what Christ is doing in the Eucharist. It was a display of preening multiculturalism that proclaimed, “Look at us wonderfully diverse people exhibiting our wonderfully diverse talents!” I should add that this was the impression more powerfully conveyed on television, which was what I saw from the broadcast studio. Some people who were in the stadium and participating in the Mass tell me they hardly noticed the sundry musical performances, except as a vague background noise. They were the fortunate ones.

No doubt there are many parishes where people regularly suffer worse than what was perpetrated at Nationals Park. For the most part it was bad music competently performed. But one expects better, one expects much better, at a papal Mass. Especially when the pope is one who has been so very explicit in his views on liturgical and musical practices.
In the March issue of First Things, Father George Rutler has a devastatingly arch review of Piero Marini’s A Challenging Reform: Realizing the Vision of the Liturgical Renewal. Marini was the Master of Pontificial Liturgical Celebrations until he was relieved of his duties by Pope Benedict.

What Marini calls the “vision of the liturgical renewal” has over the years been strongly criticized by Joseph Ratzinger/Benedict as the invention of the proponents of “the spirit of Vatican II”—a spirit in sharp contrast to what the council actually said. In Sacrosanctum Concilium, the council said:That sound tradition may be retained, and yet the way remain open to legitimate progress. Careful investigation is always to be made into each part of the liturgy which is to be revised. This investigation should be theological, historical, and pastoral. . . . Finally, there must be no innovation unless the good of the Church genuinely and certainly requires them; and care must be taken that any new forms adopted should in some way grow organically from the forms already existing. (emphasis added)
The difference between the organic and the manufactured has been a theme constantly emphasized by Benedict. The story of how, after the council, Archbishop Annibale Bugnini, ably assisted by Piero Marini (now archbishop), manufactured multiple innovations in accord with their vision of renewal is well known. And, of course, over the past forty-plus years, bishops and priests beyond numbering, taking their cue from the likes of Bugnini and Marini, brought their own “creative resources” to bear on the manufacturing process.

The difference between the organic and the manufactured has everything to do with Benedict’s repeated emphasis on “the hermeneutics of continuity” in the correct interpretation of the council, as distinct from viewing the council as a rupture in the Church’s tradition. The hermeneutics of rupture results in talk about a pre–Vatican II Church and a post–Vatican II Church, as though there are two churches, one before the council and one after.

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Nobody seems to know why Pope Paul VI allowed Bugnini to take such liberties with the Church’s worship, or why, in 1976, he “exiled” him to a diplomatic post in Iran, where he died. Without directly criticizing Paul VI, Ratzinger has written that a “pope is not an absolute monarch whose will is law, but is the guardian of the authentic Tradition.” With respect to the liturgy, he has said, “he has the task of a gardener, not that of a technician who builds new machines and throws the old ones on the junk-pile.” In the same context, Ratzinger invokes the “golden words” of the Catechism: “For this reason no sacramental rite may be modified or manipulated at the will of the minister or the community. Even the supreme authority in the Church may not change the liturgy arbitrarily, but only in the obedience of faith and with religious respect for the mystery of the liturgy.”

In his book The Feast of Faith, Ratzinger addresses the question of sacred music in a passage well worth pondering:

The movement of spiritualization in creation is understood properly as bringing creation into the mode of being of the Holy Spirit and its consequent transformation, exemplified in the crucified and resurrected Christ. In this sense, the taking up of music into the liturgy must be its taking up into the Spirit, a transformation that entails both death and resurrection. That is why the Church has had to be critical of ethnic music; it could not be allowed untransformed into the sanctuary. The cultic music of pagan religions has a different status in human existence from the music which glorifies God in creation. Through rhythm and melody themselves, pagan music often endeavors to elicit an ecstasy of the senses, but without elevating the sense into the spirit; on the contrary, it attempts to swallow up the spirit in the senses as a means of release. This imbalance toward the senses recurs also in modern popular music: the “God” found here, the salvation of man identified here, is quite different from the God of the Christian faith.
For Benedict, aesthetics is never mere aesthetics. He readily acknowledges his debt to Hans Urs von Balthasar, who has helped many of us to appreciate more fully the ways in which beauty is inseparable from the transcendent realities of the true and the good. I do not wish to be too hard on those who planned the celebration at Nationals Park. It was, sad to say, not unrepresentative of much Catholic worship in our time. The planners and the performers no doubt meant well, but it is worthy of remark that at a papal Mass there was so much that reflected an ignorance of, or defiance of, the very considered views of the pope.
 
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Frommi:
Yet, it seems to me that this argument comes back around to old hardened ideas about horizontal and vertical inclusivity. We shouldn’t sing in many languages or styles because we are ‘one church’ and we should sing ‘one way’. Unfortunately, those who promote this idea are often saying the ‘one way’ needs to be ‘my way’.
I agree with you, Frommi. Coincidentally, my inbox this morning had a powerful message from Zenit that is basically disregarded in, not only this thread, but many others. Something tells me these posts are being read by the Holy See. :hmmm: And something else tells me it will not be heeded by the very ones who most need to listen. FWIW:
“Whenever a religiously motivated moralism sidesteps this often irreducible pluralism, declaring one way to be the only right one, then religion is perverted into an ideological dictatorship, whose totalitarian passion does not build peace, but destroys it. Man makes God the servant of his own aims, thereby degrading God and himself” (Ratzinger, J., “Interreligious Dialogue and Jewish-Christian Relation.” Communio, 1998).
“It is not legitimate, therefore, for anyone to espouse religious difference as a presupposition or pretext for an aggressive attitude toward other human beings. …] When the religious sense reaches maturity it gives rise to a perception in the believer that faith in God, Creator of the universe and Father of all, must encourage relations of universal brotherhood among human beings.”
http://bestsmileys.com/angry2/11.gif And haven’t we all seen the gutter talk that screams at those who express differing opinions? It crosses the line from ‘aggressive attitude toward other human beings’ to a deplorable display of that individual’s own lack of spirituality.

Basically, I’ve shaken the dust from this thread, but today’s message was important enough to step in again, for just a second.

“Lord, grant that I may seek rather to understand, than to be understood;
to love, than to be loved.”
 
Harveyc - thank you VERY much for posting that response from Neuhaus - I would not have seen it otherwise.

I am now comfortable in my conclusion that he (Neuhaus) is someone whose opinion holds no value with me whatsoever. He comes across as a pompous ***, pardon my French.

peace all,
Al
 
Real good comparison Joysong…NOT

Comparing the Pope’s insight on how to approach Christianity and Judism:

declaring one way to be the only right one, then religion is perverted into an ideological dictatorship, whose totalitarian passion does not build peace, but destroys it

with differences in opinion/value among Catholics in how they view music in the liturgy.

Even for you that is stretching it, and does not even rise to a level of desparation.

So once again you miss the point. The Liturgy is not about us. It is about Him. The Liturgy should form us, not the other way around.

The Jewish Passover liturgy was written in stone. Deviations in postures, music, food, etc were not at the discretion of the participants. Nor should the Liturgy of the Mass and Eucharist be at the discretion of the participants.

Your link attempts to equate “an approach to dealing with” differences in religion to your “right way - wrong way” opinions about liturgical music.

Oh well, at least two posters will agree with you.

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Harveyc - thank you VERY much for posting that response from Neuhaus - I would not have seen it otherwise.

I am now comfortable in my conclusion that he (Neuhaus) is someone whose opinion holds no value with me whatsoever. He comes across as a pompous ***, pardon my French.

peace all,
Al
Fr. Neuhaus is not pompous at all because he is making the same arguments that the former Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger made.

Many who are so enamored with him now that he’s become pope were also perhaps the first ones to disagree with him when he wrote these books. Furthermore, I seriously doubt that many of you would be on the Benedict bandwagon had a retired Joseph Ratzinger made these comments at a Papal Mass celebrated by JPII’s successor. Fr. Neuahaus was only using the Holy Father’s words because they were fitting.
 
Fr. Neuhaus is not pompous at all because he is making the same arguments that the former Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger made.

Many who are so enamored with him now that he’s become pope were also perhaps the first ones to disagree with him when he wrote these books. Furthermore, I seriously doubt that many of you would be on the Benedict bandwagon had a retired Joseph Ratzinger made these comments at a Papal Mass celebrated by JPII’s successor. Fr. Neuahaus was only using the Holy Father’s words because they were fitting.
Fr. Niehaus, for better or worse, came across as fairly arrogant during his ‘commentary’ about the mass. He sounded worse during the youth rally.

His article is scholarly and is worth reading and digesting.

However, he points out that the emails he received were 5-1 in his favor. I would point out that most of his ‘fanbase’ would agree with him if he decreed that there was liturgical value in the music of Andrew Lloyd Webber. One of the great problems with our church is that everyone has a magazine or a website they can go to now to hear exactly what they want to hear without being challenged.

The issue remains that somehow the Washington folks did wrong by the Pope because they ‘disregarded’ his writings on liturgy.

However, there was nothing in that Washington liturgy which broke from the ‘hermeuatics (sp) of the past’, other than the fact that some of the music was actually written in the past 10 years (heaven forbid).

There remains an overall air of arrogance in his writings, and often an incapacity to defer to the ordinary of a diocese on matters of liturgy.

It begs the question, why would Fr. Niehaus’ musings and ramblings bear more weight with people than what Archbishop Wuerl determined was appropriate for the liturgy? Simple answer…he apparently ‘agrees’ with the Pope…so he must be right…that and he conveniently fits the arguments of so many in this thread who NEED to believe that the Pope was not moved or happy by the DC mass because it could set the ‘reform of the reform’ movement back (whatever that thing is).
 
Thanks for that article. I too would never have seen it. We have had two posts regarding that this thread is being discussed elsewhere. Neither had a link provided. I searched the Washington Post website and could find no mention of CAF. Joysong, if you would be so kind, could you please provide a link to the Zenit article?
 
But MrS, I thought the church isn’t run by majority rule?
Good point, Frommi. I recall that it was the ‘crowd’ that kept shouting “crucify Him, crucify Him.” Yet those who stood under the cross were very few.

Back to the point from the article I posted. Apparently the poster wanted to crucify and spin my words, as if the quote was solely designated as “Comparing the Pope’s insight on how to approach Christianity and Judism.” But there again, he’s right, I’m assumed to be wrong, and there was no attempt to ask for further clarification.

The Zenit article timely addressed the problems we have in these threads.
Prelate: Misconceptions Hinder Communication
Finally, the archbishop stressed "that our overall concern in communication is not to give a particular angle or ‘spin,’ but to discover and communicate the truth.
And the quote that MrS assumed was my distortion of context, :rolleyes: was delivered within an assembly yesterday on “communications.” here:
Archbishop Celli on Communicating Faith
Third, sometimes it is important to remember that how we communicate says a great about ourselves. The phrase that “the medium is the message” has much truth to it and is important to keep in mind.
Looking at various types of communication on the part of the Catholic Church, I believe all of you will remember the powerful communicator Pope John Paul the Second exemplified.
So while we often focus on what the best words or channels will be to get our message across, sometimes the most powerful message is the person of the messenger him or herself.
[In other words, it isn’t what you say, but the way you say it, and the way you act. Otherwise, one becomes merely a clanging cymbal, an utter deterent to embracing their message.]
 
Harveyc - thank you VERY much for posting that response from Neuhaus - I would not have seen it otherwise.

I am now comfortable in my conclusion that he (Neuhaus) is someone whose opinion holds no value with me whatsoever. He comes across as a pompous ***, pardon my French.

peace all,
Al
What are you referring to in Fr. Neuhaus’s article? I find it excellent.
I must say that when I first came across Fr. Neuhaus on EWTN a number of years back I was somewhat put off by what came across to me as an “air of superiority or condesention” to me. Only when a friend told me that I was wrong and should listen to what he had to say did I give him a fair chance. I subscribed to First Things for a couple of years as well. My friend was right. Fr. Neuhaus is a great addition to our Church (for those who don’t know - he converted late in life after being a protestant minister for many years). Don’t judge the soup by the pot.
 
I am coming in late on this conversation-but my two cents, Fr. N.was far too negative. I was over taken by the emotion of intense joy and peace, knowing that a consciousness of healing, hope, and love was being raised. We all felt it. Anyone who could not see the geninuine and authentic expression of joy at each celebration and its worth to the Pope, and to the whole of humanity-sure missed out. I just thank God, that this saturation of hope, message of peace, tolerance, and and a call for unity is precisely what we needed at this point in time. The music, the liturgy, the ecumenism, was Precise and Divine. Must we always have to go negative in order to see the value of what is.

Ironically enough, I wrote this to our Bishop on April 19th, during the Mass at St Joseph’s seminary, where Fr seemed to be most negative. Bishop’s response was “the Message is True-Christ is our Hope-Live it, Believe it, Long live Pope Benedict XVI”

Dear Bishop Carlson,
we are on a wave of Grace, an enveloping of the Holy Spirit into the human condition. I am certain that your strength and hope has been renewed by the very experience of visiting the Holy Father and witnessing the deep faith of so many. I am moved to tears by the contemplation of the beauty of it.
As you are so very busy, I know, however I needed to share this story. We were watching EWTN, listening to each young person honor Saints of America as they gathered at St Joseph Seminary. We knew that our son was going to New York, but God Bless Him, he did not know any details. So we called his cell phone as we are watching the Holy Father address the youth, many seminarians, young lay people, wondering all the while if was there. He answered his phone but only turned it on for us to hear. The crowd of 25k was singing “Pan de Vida”, he and the others were singing with fervent conviction, and cheering. I was so deeply moved, knowing that we were experiencing something so very Sacred. It is a profound and undescribable revelation of Christ’s Love for us. My prayer is that we always remember the Hope, Love, and Faith of this Gift. My prayer is that, as a Catholic community, we never fail to realize, and we never forget, the importance of Pope Benedicts visit. You must be exhilarated and humbled. Thank you so much for all you do.

Christ’s Peace,
 
This thread makes me sad. 😦

Why can’t be just be really THANKFUL that the Vicar of Christ took the time to visit our country and move on?

Could the music have been more “traditional?” Sure. Is it worth being outraged about? Nope.

Seriously, PICK YOUR BATTLES, folks. There are much, much, MUCH more important topics to scream about.
 
I’ve enjoyed listening to Fr. Neuhaus in previous EWTN programming and John Paul II’s funeral, etc. I wouldn’t call myself a fan, but have felt he had good insights into the various subjects he was covering.

That said, he coms across much too negative in his commentary on the D.C. Mass. Show me where Pope Benedict, either as Pope or Cardinal, has made such negative and seemingly rude comments. I’ve started watching the EWTN broadcast of the D.C. Papal Mass and, in all honestly, Fr. Neuhaus seems confused or lost from the very beginning. It’s very unsettling watching and listening to him. I wonder what the cause of that was. He did mention something about not having a folder with materials.

Benedictgal: I’ve only got up to the Epistle on the video. While I don’t care for the music in the Psalms now that I’ve heard it on the video, I haven’t noticed anything worthy of being called “horrid”. I also haven’t seen any unusual looks from Pope Benedict. At what parts should I be looking?

It has been reported that Pope Benedict told Archbishop Wuerl that he enjoyed the Mass (or something along the lines of that) and that this was relayed back to the Choir Director who relayed it to the poster. That seems to have been dismissed too casually. Instead of taking the approach “I won’t believe that unless it’s provent to be fact”, how about “Maybe that is the case and I’ll consider it true unless proven otherwise.”? And then there are also presumptions that the Vatican did not really approve the liturgy although policy states that they wold have done so. It seems that there are too many assumptions being made to come out and criticize the organizers of the Mass.

I’m also unclear on exactly what parts of multiculturalism is a problem. Only the singing? Pope Benedict did part of homily in Spanish (and, though I don’t speak very much Spanish, I can’t help but admit I thought his Spanish sounded better than his English) so he was obviously reaching out to other cultures.
 
Harvey:
I’m also unclear on exactly what parts of multiculturalism is a problem. Only the singing? Pope Benedict did part of homily in Spanish (and, though I don’t speak very much Spanish, I can’t help but admit I thought his Spanish sounded better than his English) so he was obviously reaching out to other cultures.
We find a licit embrace of culture in the Catechism, Harvey, so you are keen in sensing that this is perhaps an ideological stance that some have taken.
1204 The celebration of the liturgy, therefore, should correspond to the genius and culture of the different peoples.70 In order that the mystery of Christ be "made known to all the nations . . . to bring about the obedience of faith,"71 it must be proclaimed, celebrated, and lived in all cultures in such a way that they themselves are not abolished by it, but redeemed and fulfilled:72 It is with and through their own human culture, assumed and transfigured by Christ, that the multitude of God’s children has access to the Father, in order to glorify him in the one Spirit.
1205 "In the liturgy, above all that of the sacraments, there is an immutable part, a part that is divinely instituted and of which the Church is the guardian, and parts that can be changed, which the Church has the power and on occasion also the duty to adapt to the cultures of recently evangelized peoples."73
1206 "Liturgical diversity can be a source of enrichment, but it can also provoke tensions, mutual misunderstandings, and even schisms. In this matter it is clear that diversity must not damage unity. It must express only fidelity to the common faith, to the sacramental signs that the Church has received from Christ, and to hierarchical communion. Cultural adaptation also requires a conversion of heart and even, where necessary, a breaking with ancestral customs incompatible with the Catholic faith."74
1207 It is fitting that liturgical celebration tends to express itself in the culture of the people where the Church finds herself, though without being submissive to it. Moreover, the liturgy itself generates cultures and shapes them.
1208 The diverse liturgical traditions or rites, legitimately recognized, manifest the catholicity of the Church, because they signify and communicate the same mystery of Christ.
1209 The criterion that assures unity amid the diversity of liturgical traditions is fidelity to apostolic Tradition, i.e., the communion in the faith and the sacraments received from the apostles, a communion that is both signified and guaranteed by apostolic succession.
One of the CCC’s footnotes on this section states:

VICESIMUS QUINTUS ANNUS
OF THE SUPREME PONTIFF
JOHN PAUL II

Since the Liturgy has great pastoral value, the liturgical books have provided for a certain degree of adaptation to the assembly and to individuals, with the possibility of openness to the traditions and cultures of different peoples.
 
I think I’ll side with Mother Angelica - she is the one who introduced Fr. Neuhaus to us and she is the one who had him on her live show and on EWTN many many times showing us obviously that she found his comments (and critiques, when offered) worthy of airing.
And having watched allmost all of EWTN’s live wall-to-wall 6-day coverage of the Pope’s visit - I can only thank Mother and EWTN once again for their evangelization. It’s contribution is unparallelled not only in the Catholic Church, but in any faith. Father’s comments were approximately 90% positive over the six days and countless hours of coverage - and yet a handful of contrarians on this thread slanderously present it as if it were just the opposite. It was not. And the negative comments were on target.
At the same time I think it is a disgrace that our Church contributes nothing to the expense EWTN puts out for this and all it’s other efforts.
As EWTN’s efforts are a private contribution to the Catholic Church - I’m somewhat amazed at those who attack EWTN’s Fr. Neuhaus. Why didn’t they switch to the “American” Church’s “official” TV coverage - oh yeah, they was none. Then why didn’t they just switch to the diverse, multi-cultural bias offered by Wolf Blitzer (who the “American Church” had the Holy Father single out with Papal honors) and his “Catholic experts” on CNN. Or MSNBC or FOX or wherever. If you don’t like the free gift EWTN gave you - go elsewhere. EWTN is a bastion of straight-talk in our diverse multi-cultural Church. If you don’t like it, turn it off. Don’t disparage it here.
And it just struck me that EWTN’s critics here would probably offer up the thought that since Pope Benedict gave Wolf Blitzer and Tim Russert individual gifts while he as here that that should “clearly” mean that these are the best-of-the-best media people in the U.S. for Rome to single out and for us to listen to anyway (and not the pennyless media mogul and future saint Mother Angelica). Get Real.
 
I do not wish to be too hard on those who planned the celebration at Nationals Park. It was, sad to say, not unrepresentative of much Catholic worship in our time. The planners and the performers no doubt meant well, but it is worthy of remark that at a papal Mass there was so much that reflected an ignorance of, or defiance of, the very considered views of the pope.
How funny, he doesn’t want to be too hard but then writes:
But the problem with the way the liturgy and music was handled is that it focused attention on the gathered people and the performers rather than on what Christ is doing in the Eucharist. It was a display of preening multiculturalism that proclaimed, “Look at us wonderfully diverse people exhibiting our wonderfully diverse talents!
And also:
No doubt there are many parishes where people regularly suffer worse than what was perpetrated at Nationals Park.
It was, sad to say, not unrepresentative of much Catholic worship in our time. The planners and the performers no doubt meant well, but it is worthy of remark that at a papal Mass there was so much that reflected an ignorance of, or defiance of, the very considered views of the pope.
insulting and then condescension…with some arrogance thrown in, nice job there Fr. N :rolleyes: Those poor uneducated peformers and planners if only they had Fr. N to help them and if only they would read what the Pope wrote on liturgy and if only they would learn to worship God the right way, blah blah.
 
insulting and then condescension…with some arrogance thrown in, nice job there Fr. N :rolleyes: Those poor uneducated peformers and planners if only they had Fr. N to help them and if only they would read what the Pope wrote on liturgy and if only they would learn to worship God the right way, blah blah.
The same kind of unsubstiantiated wisecracks as before only this time directed toward Fr. Neuhaus.
When are you going to explain your “flipping” wisecracks from your post 602 as I requested in 604 and another poster has as well?
 
This thread makes me sad. 😦

Why can’t be just be really THANKFUL that the Vicar of Christ took the time to visit our country and move on?

Could the music have been more “traditional?” Sure. Is it worth being outraged about? Nope.

Seriously, PICK YOUR BATTLES, folks. There are much, much, MUCH more important topics to scream about.
Sorry, Dan. This is the same kind of “I’m OK; you’re OK - let’s just focus on the Eucharist” that has got us to where we are today. Watch the Vesper Service in Washington the night before and compare it to the Mass in DC. Stark contrast. You young folks and our converts have not been exposed to our deep and profound Catholic music heritage. You are hearing from those of us who 40 years ago kept our mouths shut in submission to the Magesterium of HMC when we were subjected to having Simon and Garfunkle inserted into the Mass. You can listen to all of the converts and all of you young folk but it can’t change history or tradition. Or solid Church teaching which teaches the exact opposite of what so many want to believe.

Jazzfest has opened in New Orleans. I could go down to da city and hear music like I heard in Washington. But I can keep pointing it out, over and over and over again, when JP II came to New Orleans in '87 he did not hear ragtime, Dixieland, jazz, or a Cajun two step. Dance hall music belongs in the dance hall.

It is a big problem. NONE of the other venues for the HF’s visit were like Washington. I’m OK; you’re OK" is unfortunately a fiction perpetrated by you young folk and our converts. Forty years ago we had our roots ripped out from under us in “the spirit of Vatican II”. Fifteen hundred years of musical tradition ripped out and thrown out in favor of ofttimes banal, mundane, pedestrian, insipid, and trivial music.

Let me give you something to think about. If you can hear Kermit and Miss Piggy singing the hymn …that came from my cathedral choir director back in the early 90s. Muppet Music is Muppet Music.

Placido Domingo sings Panis Angelicus and all of a sudden it’s a performance. We blythely pass over the sacro-salsa much less the Haitian in French. Mon Dieu! We had Haitian immigrants here in Louisiana both black and white in the 1790s. French is still spoken here and as I have pointed out over and over and over again there was no Cajun fiddler at JPII’s Mass in New Orleans, no ragtime, no Dixieland, no Jazz, no Mardi Gras Indians, no second liners. So exactly what was the Mass at Washington?

As Fr. Neuhaus pointed out so eloquently in his article, it was “in your face”. I cannot believe otherwise. And so, all you young folk and our converts…I’m 56, I’m not dead yet. We have every bit as much right to insist upon our legitimate cultural heritage as you do to adhere to the banal, vaccuuous, insipid, pedestrian, and mundane music that you seem to be so enamoured of.

I know you don’t like our stilted, antiquated, obsolete, “nobody knew what we were saying in Latin” music. OCP is not Palestrina. GIA is not Vivaldi. Dance rhythmns can be successfully incorporated in to sacred music. One only need to listen to Monteverdi’s “Vespers of 1610”. But the composers of the sacro-salsa are not in the same league as Monteverdi.

This is not something new for me. My classmates in "69 thought it was OK to include Simon and Garfunkle…all for the sake of having a guitar folk Mass. Groovy, doncha know.

I’ve stewed for 40 years. For all you young folks and converts I ask you to listen to the music of our heritage. Durufle and Faure wrote motets into the last century.

Our heritage is trashed. I am not allowed to celebrate my heritage because you young folks and converts have never been exposed to it. Where is the justice in that?
 
I’m also unclear on exactly what parts of multiculturalism is a problem. Only the singing? Pope Benedict did part of homily in Spanish (and, though I don’t speak very much Spanish, I can’t help but admit I thought his Spanish sounded better than his English) so he was obviously reaching out to other cultures.
Though they may try to deny it on a particular example, a comprehensive review of varous posters’ comments throughout this board show that the problem people have with multiculturalism is purely political. Hard line conservatives don’t like mulicultural displays, simple as that, and they set about to bend their theology to fit their ideology. (Yeah, I know it can happen on both sides but we’re talking about one particular issue here; let’s avoid the temptation to drift.) People forget that we have new imigrants in this great country. Many also cannot seem to comprehend anything beyond their own personal experiences or geography or to lend any such “foreign” expression any value. I suppose I’ll once again be branded with a scarlet “L” but the correlation between anti-multiculturalists and parochial, narrow-minded, short-sighted bias is a strong bond indeed.

You can see this provincial response demonstrated in two ways: “Multiculturalism is invalid in the Mass as it celebrates the individual and not God.”

Hmm, I suppose these folks would say the same thing about the Pentecost as well when all heard the Word of God in their own tongue, in their own cultural vernacular."Hey, how come your ‘multiculturalism’ does not include MY [insert various white European ethnicity here] heritage?"

Uh, because your “heritage” has been here for centuries already and is the dominant culture. EVERYthing not specifically recognizing a non-white ethnicity is by default recognizing “your heritage”. While I do NOT accuse ANY here of such ugliness associated with them, these arguments are not so far removed from those made by the KKK. Again, NO, I am NOT saying any here are racist but that their arguments against multiculturalism smacks of a limited view that shares the same path.
 
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