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THE QURANIC VERSION OF THE TRINITY
The Quran has its own version of the trinity:
al-Ma’idah 5:16
واذ قال الله ياعيسى ابن مريم ءانت قلت للناس اتخذوني وامي الهين من دون الله قال سبحانك مايكون لي ان اقول ماليس لي بحق ان كنت قلته فقد علمته تعلم مافي نفسي ولااعلم مافي نفسك انك انت علام الغيوب
Wa-ith qala Allahu ya AAeesa ibna maryama aanta qulta lilnnasi ittakhithoonee waommiya ilahayni min dooni Allahi qala subhanaka ma yakoonu lee an aqoola ma laysa lee bihaqqin in kuntu qultuhu faqad AAalimtahu taAAlamu ma fee nafsee wala aAAlamu ma fee nafsika innaka anta AAallamu alghuyoobi
Maulana Ali And when Allah will say: O Jesus, son of Mary, didst thou say to men, Take me and my mother for two gods besides Allah? He will say: Glory be to Thee! it was not for me to say what I had no right to (say). If I had said it, Thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy mind. Surely Thou art the great Knower of the unseen.
kavalec.com/Quran/005.qmt.quran.aspx
Note this strange verse does not mention the Trinity, but has Allah asking Jesus whether he told the people to take him and Mary for Gods beside Allah. To wit, Jesus replied, no I didn’t. If I did you would have known about it anyway.
The implication of this tale is: why did Allah ask Jesus something he already knew Jesus didn’t do? Did Allah ask just for the fun of it? Or was he testing Jesus? If he was, why perform a test when one already knows the result? Again, the circularity in the lack of logic of this verse is apparent. A plausible explanation of Muhammad’s need to reconcile the Christian Trinity with Islam’s monotheism is given below.
Muslims claim this verse is not a difficulty and they point out three facts;
“Collyridianism – Heresy which tried to deify the Virgin Mary. Not much is known about the founders of the heresy other than that their devotion to the Blessed Mother degenerated into an idolotrous worship of Mary. Collyridianism existed from about 350 to 450 A.D. Epiphanius, in Panarion, wrote the refutation of not only the Collyridian heresy (Mary as divine), but also of the Antidicomarianitic heresy (debasement of Mary). The latter went so far as to claim that Mary had intercourse with Joseph after the birth of Christ. The Collyridians, primarily women, developed a strange combination of Catholicism and pagan goddess cult customs. Epiphanius writes, “Certain women there in Arabia have introduced this absurd teaching from Thracia: how they offer up a sacrifice of bread rolls in the name of the ever-Virgin Mary, and all partake of this bread” {78:13}. Let us remember Scripture, particularly the case of the angel who rebuked John the Evangelist for his temptation to idolatry “At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, ‘Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God!’” {Rev. 19:10}.”
nevarez.org/alf/catholic/bible_study/thematic/mary_scripture.html
Some claim that the Collyridians were in existence from the fourth century and flourished in the fifth century, although since they fell out of the pages of history, nobody knows for sure how long they existed as a sect. Edward Gibbon, in the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire Chapter 50, states that they were in existent in the seventh century (without providing evidence). One suggests Gibbon took the clear parallelism of 5:116 with Collyridianism to mean they were present during Muhammad’s day.
Thus, there is clear parallelism between the Quran’s version of the Trinity and the Collyridian belief.
As previously stated, the Muslims claim that verse 5:116 was alluding to the belief of some Christians at the time of Muhammad. This is false as verse 5:116 specifically states that the belief occurred during the time of Jesus. Remember Allah asked Jesus whether he had told the people to worship him and Mary besides Allah. Since the Collyridians are post-Jesus (probably originating late 4th century as reported by Epiphanius) the parallelism with the Collyridians is anachronistic. Hence the Quran could not have been alluding to the Collyridians at all, unless of course, Jesus was a Collyridian.
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The Quran has its own version of the trinity:
al-Ma’idah 5:16
واذ قال الله ياعيسى ابن مريم ءانت قلت للناس اتخذوني وامي الهين من دون الله قال سبحانك مايكون لي ان اقول ماليس لي بحق ان كنت قلته فقد علمته تعلم مافي نفسي ولااعلم مافي نفسك انك انت علام الغيوب
Wa-ith qala Allahu ya AAeesa ibna maryama aanta qulta lilnnasi ittakhithoonee waommiya ilahayni min dooni Allahi qala subhanaka ma yakoonu lee an aqoola ma laysa lee bihaqqin in kuntu qultuhu faqad AAalimtahu taAAlamu ma fee nafsee wala aAAlamu ma fee nafsika innaka anta AAallamu alghuyoobi
Maulana Ali And when Allah will say: O Jesus, son of Mary, didst thou say to men, Take me and my mother for two gods besides Allah? He will say: Glory be to Thee! it was not for me to say what I had no right to (say). If I had said it, Thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy mind. Surely Thou art the great Knower of the unseen.
kavalec.com/Quran/005.qmt.quran.aspx
Note this strange verse does not mention the Trinity, but has Allah asking Jesus whether he told the people to take him and Mary for Gods beside Allah. To wit, Jesus replied, no I didn’t. If I did you would have known about it anyway.
The implication of this tale is: why did Allah ask Jesus something he already knew Jesus didn’t do? Did Allah ask just for the fun of it? Or was he testing Jesus? If he was, why perform a test when one already knows the result? Again, the circularity in the lack of logic of this verse is apparent. A plausible explanation of Muhammad’s need to reconcile the Christian Trinity with Islam’s monotheism is given below.
Muslims claim this verse is not a difficulty and they point out three facts;
- The heretical Christian sect of the Collyridians may have existed in Muhammad’s time and the Quran was specifically addressing their understanding of the Trinity.
“Collyridianism – Heresy which tried to deify the Virgin Mary. Not much is known about the founders of the heresy other than that their devotion to the Blessed Mother degenerated into an idolotrous worship of Mary. Collyridianism existed from about 350 to 450 A.D. Epiphanius, in Panarion, wrote the refutation of not only the Collyridian heresy (Mary as divine), but also of the Antidicomarianitic heresy (debasement of Mary). The latter went so far as to claim that Mary had intercourse with Joseph after the birth of Christ. The Collyridians, primarily women, developed a strange combination of Catholicism and pagan goddess cult customs. Epiphanius writes, “Certain women there in Arabia have introduced this absurd teaching from Thracia: how they offer up a sacrifice of bread rolls in the name of the ever-Virgin Mary, and all partake of this bread” {78:13}. Let us remember Scripture, particularly the case of the angel who rebuked John the Evangelist for his temptation to idolatry “At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, ‘Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God!’” {Rev. 19:10}.”
nevarez.org/alf/catholic/bible_study/thematic/mary_scripture.html
Some claim that the Collyridians were in existence from the fourth century and flourished in the fifth century, although since they fell out of the pages of history, nobody knows for sure how long they existed as a sect. Edward Gibbon, in the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire Chapter 50, states that they were in existent in the seventh century (without providing evidence). One suggests Gibbon took the clear parallelism of 5:116 with Collyridianism to mean they were present during Muhammad’s day.
Thus, there is clear parallelism between the Quran’s version of the Trinity and the Collyridian belief.
As previously stated, the Muslims claim that verse 5:116 was alluding to the belief of some Christians at the time of Muhammad. This is false as verse 5:116 specifically states that the belief occurred during the time of Jesus. Remember Allah asked Jesus whether he had told the people to worship him and Mary besides Allah. Since the Collyridians are post-Jesus (probably originating late 4th century as reported by Epiphanius) the parallelism with the Collyridians is anachronistic. Hence the Quran could not have been alluding to the Collyridians at all, unless of course, Jesus was a Collyridian.
cont
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