Can you summerise it? Just tell me who wrote the Book Hebrews.We know it. It is another thing if you refuse to understand.
you should take a bible theology course in order to know the exact history and to do an exegesis about how, where, when, and by whom the gospels were written. and you shouldnt just relly on secular or skeptic info about it.
Only you know HIstory. What about India? Were indians invaded British ever? British empire was the biggest ever in the history of mankind. Do you think they were Muslims?Do you know anything about history? The muslism were in france until the christians were able to stop them.
most of the midle east was christian, grece, spain sicily egipt, syria, turkey, lebanon and many more were christian countrys,
and then the muslism were as far as france.
Do you expect europe to allow themselves to be conquered by them and to be submited to muslism laws? lol
God is merciful. God gives me sickness. If I pray he heals it. It doesn’t mean he changed his mind. Instead as a loving God, he accepts my prayer. In all case, it same as what Jesus (pbuh) said. ‘It is not my will, but your’s be done’. The case of Direction was not different.khalfan - ok i do not have the time right now to respond to everything you said, but i will say this…
- about prayers changing from Jerusalem to mecca… you said because mohammad wanted it. so why is God giving in to mohammad? why is God conforming to satisfy the prophet? God makes the rules, not the prophet.
- you say mohammad had wives BEFORE the 4 wives “revelation” came around… that is just stupid. why didn’t “allah” or “angel gabirel” not tell him not to have any more then 4 before he married the 5th!
There are logics that seems illogical to all. If God wanted a world of good people, why he ever made man with ability to sin? He could make man just doing only Good.ok so let’s say that i was a stripper… and it was my normal job. then let’s say i took shahada for some reason. so whould i still be able to strip, since i did not recieve islam in my life until AFTER i started stripping? lol you see… so STUPID to believe that.
A honest study of the life of Prophet (pbuh) and Khadeeja (ra) will not make you to say prophet (pbuh) was a womeniser.
- you ask me about khadija - might i ask why? all i told you is that mohammad got his ideas from her belief in Jesus and such.
She wasn’t six at the time of marrieage. She was nine at the time marriage. The age 9 is accepted by Islamic tradition because of two reasons. 1) Ayesha (ra) was already engaged with another man long before she was proposed to prophet (pbuh). 2) That one point and many other incidents proves, marrying at young age wasn’t immoral or unlawful at that time. Her life proves she was never raped. More than 1000 hadeeses reported from her. She was the teacher of womens that time. She used to do nursing during war.
- muslims believe that during puberty is when someone is held accountable for whatever. so since aisha was 6, does that mean that it was a forced marriage? possibly rape.
No. That a lie. The word Sunni and Shiia was unknown to them. Those are later develoments in the believers. Some of them got mislead by misinterpretation of certain teachings. Ex. Shiite allowes Short time marriage with misinterpretation of a verse in Quran. Sunnis never allows that.
- mohammads message was NOT clear. because when someone converts to islam and tries to pick to be sunni or shia, they ask… “hmm, do i take shia, which mohammads daughter fatima believed, or do i take sunni which is what aisha believed?” you see… two very respected people in islam disagreeing. if islam was so clear, then there would not be such a huge division. i do not know a single sunni that considers a shiah a muslim. yet fatima was shia! and shia and sunni are wayyyyyyy opposite.
And all they claim help of Holy Spirit. Do you know modern day prophet Ellen G. White? She even had visions. She explained many details of Cross which you don’t find in any gospel.like i know that Chrsitianity isn’t so unified either, ut it was for 1500 years, and the only reason there are protestants is because of cults. martin luther… we know he was a cult because he started hating the Jews once they did not accept his beliefs. anglican church… HAH. they split because the king wanted power. etc. etc.
Do you know the first war happened in Madina? Do you know the british invades all over the world?Which Christian invasions? Christians were not invading Muslim lands before the Crusades. They were defending themselves from Muslm invaders.
The Crusades slowed down the Muslim invasions into Europe for a while… but then as soon as that was over Muslim armies started their march on Europe again… they did not stop until Europe finally got smart and attacked the Ottoman empire on it own land.
Do you know what was the first war that the USA fought off our our own soil? In north africa against Muslims who were attacking our ships and taking crew and passangers as slaves.
As per the prophecy, the spirit was supposed to come only after Jesus (pbuh) go. The Holy Spirit was here long before and even at the time Jesus (pbuh).Blind acceptance with no proof! You only believe it because Muhammad said so!
Jesus did not say anything about Muhammad’s coming! He meant the Holy Spirit! You keep stating that our scripures are corrupted and yet constantly keep using them to prove the validity of your false prophet!
Stupid question. Did he say that it is halal? Then we will talk about my acceptence.Muslims will always justify anything Muhammad did! Answer me this, if Muhammad had said that incest was “halal”, would Muslims have sex with their children???
No. That a lie.Nonsense! He changed his mind about that when the jews wisely did not accept his so-called prophethood!
Ofcource you do. Who denied that? I will help you.We also have the right to protect ourselves from anyone who wants to destroy us and what we believe!
Unless the opponent wish for fair dialogue, don’r expect us to be fair.Yes, we believe in freedom of religion. As for your arrogant statement that God only accepts Islam, you only have Muhammad’s word for that, and you’ve accepted it again without proof!
We also believe that no one has the right to force us to accept any religion against our will!
If there is one thing I’ve learned from most Muslim posters here, is that arrogance is an integral part of your belief in Islam!
Vickie
Can you summerise it? Just tell me who wrote the Book Hebrews.
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The book of hebrews is a deutorocanonical book of the NT it was written for hebrews that were converting to Christ.
The jewishs that were converting to Christ had some worries about:
-never going to go to the jewish temple again.
-they sitll considered the authority of the jewish high priest
-and about not doing sacrifices again.
However Christ is the new temple, The new High Priest and the
perfect victim of sacrifice that is pleasing to God.
They still had some doubts about Jesus.
So they were confirmed in the faith when they were explained that the tempel of Jerusalen it was only a figure of something bigger.
the true High preist for mankind is Jesus, and from now on there will be no more sacrifice but only the one that Jesus made for all mankind.
My bible commentary say that this letter was written in Rome maybe in the year 66. sometime before the jewish war.
at that time, those were the last months of the life of Paul. He was in prision in Rome for the second time.
However he didint write it, it could have been Apolo.
He was mention in the acts 18, 24-28 as a man that know a lot about the scriptures. and that he used to prove that Jesus was the mesiah by the scriptures of the old testament.
I personately believe that there are “remarkable” similaritys of Jesus and most of the characters of the OT. Adam Noah , Issac Abrahm, Moses, David, Elisha and others.
I think the OT is full of references about Jesus as the Mesiah.
for more info about that check this website.
biblia.com/jesusbible/types.htm
I think this is the problem of sola scripture!. The bible have no authority you see.As per the prophecy, the spirit was supposed to come only after Jesus (pbuh) go. The Holy Spirit was here long before and even at the time Jesus (pbuh).
I prove the truth of Islam from the scripture you believe.
Islam is not prophesied in our scriptures! That’s only Muslim wishful thinking!As per the prophecy, the spirit was supposed to come only after Jesus (pbuh) go. The Holy Spirit was here long before and even at the time Jesus (pbuh).
I prove the truth of Islam from the scripture you believe.
No, it is not a stupid question! I believe that your blindness in following your false prophet is such that if he had condoned incest, Muslims would be having sex with their children up to the present day! Your evasive answer does nothing to change my mind. Why don’t you answer the question then??Stupid question. Did he say that it is halal? Then we will talk about my acceptence.
Yours is the lie!No. That a lie.
Then be fair as well! You’re the one who has come to a Catholic forum simply to trash our faith!Unless the opponent wish for fair dialogue, don’r expect us to be fair.
God did not make that statement, Muhammad did pretending to be God. What’s the use of that taqqiya remark anyway, since your “God” states that he accepts no other religion except Islam!By the way, God said,
‘There is no cumpulsion in religion.’
And I think God has the right to say what he like. If it is Islam, I can’t disagree that.
I dunno much about the history of the brits. however you should check the countrys that the british empire had, and look if they imposed their religions over others.Only you know HIstory. What about India? Were indians invaded British ever? British empire was the biggest ever in the history of mankind. Do you think they were Muslims?
Don’t entertain this guy’s excuses anyway. Tu Quoque is a Muslim classic when it comes to debating… just pretend it’s okay what Islam teaches, because hey “other people did it too”.I dunno much about the history of the brits. however you should check the countrys that the british empire had, and look if they imposed their religions over others.
India the middle east etc.
Thank God they werent muslism because they would have forced those countrys to convert or to die.
cont.
Interestingly, there are also parallels between Mani and Muhammad, the prophet of Islam. Mani claimed to be the successor to prophets like Jesus and other prophets whose teachings he said were locally corrupted (or corrupted by their followers). Mani declared himself, and was also referred to, as the Paraclete: a Biblical title, meaning “one who consoles” or “one who intercedes on our behalf”, which the Orthodox tradition understood as referring to God in the person of the Holy Spirit. Mani claimed to be the last of the prophets, and also claimed that his prophethood was revealed to him by an angel. Muhammad, similarly, claimed to be the successor to prophets, notably the Hebrew prophets and Jesus. He claimed that the teachings of previous prophets were corrupted by their followers, e.g. Christians believing Jesus to be the son of God. He also claimed to be the last of God’s prophets promised to humanity, as was said of Mani.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mani_%28prophet%29
no, it means God answered your prayer.God is merciful. God gives me sickness…
well, if mohammad could liked babies (which in the hadeeths mohammad saw a baby and said if he was alive when she grew up he would marry her) then he certainly would have no problem marrying a 50 year old!God didn’t stop Prophet (pbuh) from marrying the fifth and more because God knew,…
no, i would have to stop. in a shariah, i would be put to death for it!You don’t have to stop stripping…
nope, but after khadija died… ohh, he turned crazy.A honest study of the life of Prophet (pbuh) and Khadeeja (ra) will not make you to say prophet (pbuh) was a womeniser.
but he was engaged to the baby at 6.She wasn’t six at the time of marrieage. She was nine at the time marriage…
hmm, more contradictions within the hadeeths. yet muslims still use them as if they are authentic LOLThere are incidents like the death of her sister Asma (ra) that points to another possibilites that the age of Ayesha (ra) the age of marriage was atleast 13 or 14…
although the names might have not been sunni and shia, they were divided. fatima and aisha disagreed on things, and one brach on islam disagree dwith the other.No. That a lie. The word Sunni and Shiia was unknown to them. …
so? they still had different ideologies.Ayesha and Fathima or the Prophet himself were not Shia or Sunni
not what the hadeeths say. there is a story recorded numerous times in bukhari and muslim about hell and such. i do not have them on hand, but let me summarize basically what mohammad said.Beaing a Sunni or Shiit is not imporatant…
i’m glad you mentioned mrs. ellen g white. because if she can get so successful, it is obvious how mohammad could be so successful. if you add up ellen’s writings, it comes to be 75 times bigger then the Bible. that is how much she wrote. she quoted Scripture, etc. and she was able to be very successful.And all they claim help of Holy Spirit. Do you know modern day prophet Ellen G. White? She even had visions. She explained many details of Cross which you don’t find in any gospel.
Khalfan;2393851:
My question was ‘Who wrote Hebrews?’ And your answer is,Can you summerise it? Just tell me who wrote the Book Hebrews.
QUOTE]
The book of hebrews is a deutorocanonical book of the NT it was written for hebrews that were converting to Christ.
The jewishs that were converting to Christ had some worries about:
-never going to go to the jewish temple again.
-they sitll considered the authority of the jewish high priest
-and about not doing sacrifices again.
However Christ is the new temple, The new High Priest and the
perfect victim of sacrifice that is pleasing to God.
They still had some doubts about Jesus.
So they were confirmed in the faith when they were explained that the tempel of Jerusalen it was only a figure of something bigger.
the true High preist for mankind is Jesus, and from now on there will be no more sacrifice but only the one that Jesus made for all mankind.
My bible commentary say that this letter was written in Rome maybe in the year 66. sometime before the jewish war.
at that time, those were the last months of the life of Paul. He was in prision in Rome for the second time.
However he didint write it, it could have been Apolo.
He was mention in the acts 18, 24-28 as a man that know a lot about the scriptures. and that he used to prove that Jesus was the mesiah by the scriptures of the old testament.
I personately believe that there are “remarkable” similaritys of Jesus and most of the characters of the OT. Adam Noah , Issac Abrahm, Moses, David, Elisha and others.
I think the OT is full of references about Jesus as the Mesiah.
for more info about that check this website.
biblia.com/jesusbible/types.htm
My bible commentary say that this letter was written in Rome maybe in the year 66. sometime before the jewish war.
at that time, those were the last months of the life of Paul. He was in prision in Rome for the second time.You are assuming the writer. In fact you don’t know for sure who wrote it and you believe it because it matches with your earlier believes. Your mind is programmed.However he didint write it, it could have been Apolo.
He was mention in the acts 18, 24-28 as a man that know a lot about the scriptures.
Even if you find a book written by Jesus (pbuh) himself, saying he is not God than just a human, you wont believe, because it doesn’t meet the condition ‘Catholicity’.
What do you say about the Holy spirit? Was it here or it came only after Jesus (pbuh) left, as per the prophecy?I think this is the problem of sola scripture!. The bible have no authority you see.
We can make Jesus a prophet, a good person, a normal human beign that taugh good stuffs, a person that did miracles, an angel like mormons and Jeova witneses say, etc etc.
You cant think that you know christianity if you have only read the bible from cover to cover.
It can be proved in many ways from your scripture. For example,Islam is not prophesied in our scriptures! That’s only Muslim wishful thinking!
My dear, are out of your mind? Your imposing an invalid claim on me. And then you want to argue on that?No, it is not a stupid question! I believe that your blindness in following your false prophet is such that if he had condoned incest, Muslims would be having sex with their children up to the present day! Your evasive answer does nothing to change my mind. Why don’t you answer the question then??
Can you prove?Yours is the lie!
No. The discussion is about our prophet. The misconsuptions should be cleared. That is how we learn each other.Then be fair as well! You’re the one who has come to a Catholic forum simply to trash our faith!
Thats another lie. The Muslim and Christains invades were not religious but political. Mughals (Muslims) ruled India for 900 years. They could convert whole Indians. They had enough time to do that. 80% of Indians then and even today is Hindus. Why?I dunno much about the history of the brits. however you should check the countrys that the british empire had, and look if they imposed their religions over others.
India the middle east etc.
Thank God they werent muslism because they would have forced those countrys to convert or to die.
It is because as much as we have bad Muslims, you have bad Christians.Don’t entertain this guy’s excuses anyway. Tu Quoque is a Muslim classic when it comes to debating… just pretend it’s okay what Islam teaches, because hey “other people did it too”.
The question is, does God change his mind?no, it means God answered your prayer.
But tell me, does God ever change his mind in terms of something that goes against what is preached? If God tells us in the Bible to not have sex before marriage, we don’t do it. God does not change his mind and say “Oh!! you can do it!”
what i am really trying to say here, is that mohammad should not have been exempt from the law that he preached that’s ridiculous. should the president be able to kill someone with a gun wherever he goes and not be held accountable, even if it breaks the constitution and laws of our country? no!
Can you quote that hadees?well, if mohammad could liked babies (which in the hadeeths mohammad saw a baby and said if he was alive when she grew up he would marry her) then he certainly would have no problem marrying a 50 year old!
No. Because I can explain the situation of each marriage. Fortunatly, we Muslims doesn’t have to do assumptions on the life of Prophet (pbuh).oh, and btw… if he married them for political reasons… does that not sound cult like to you? i could definetely see a cult doing that.
Being naked in the beach is allowed in many European countries. But if you do that in India, police will file a case aginst you. The moral values in two different countries doesn’t have to be the same. The same way, moral values in Sharia law and in a non sharia-law doesn’t have to be the same. If you are in a country where sharia law practiced, striping won’t be allowed. If in any other country where sharia law is not practiced, striping is depends on the moral values and law of that local place. Religion has nothing to do with that.no, i would have to stop. in a shariah, i would be put to death for it!
nope, but after khadija died… ohh, he turned crazy.
Wow… Some new discoveries.while khadija was alive, he preached nice, short, poetic verses. but after she died, he became a mad man. he lost all of his credibility. he became a rebel, and became war like. he started making less sense. the surahs started getting longer, more vioelnt, and less poetic.
I told you, she was already engaged with another guy. Getting engaged and married in young age wasn’t immoral at that time. The moral value that you practice today, may be invalid and immoral after 1000 years.but he was engaged to the baby at 6.
Islam is first religion that announced freeing a slave as a righteous deed. Prophet (pbuh) had servents at home, but not slaves. He and companians freed all.and secondly, even if it wasn’t immoral for that time… um, neither was slavery (which mohammad also had slaves.) but does that make it justifyable?
It does. The moral values we see today, doesn’t have to be valid after 1000 years.my gosh, just because something fits with the status quo at that time does not make it right.
It is not a contradiction. Even if it is contradiction, we are allowed to accept the one that earliar scholars accpted. The age 9 is accepted as ‘Saheeh’, the other hadeeses can be used for reference but not valid as ‘saheeh’. Since we don’t claim any ‘Spiritual Inspiration’ in the writers, we do expect human errors and mistakes in non-Saheeh hadeeses.hmm, more contradictions within the hadeeths. yet muslims still use them as if they are authentic LOL
although the names might have not been sunni and shia, they were divided. fatima and aisha disagreed on things, and one brach on islam disagree dwith the other.
No. They never had.so? they still had different ideologies.
not what the hadeeths say. there is a story recorded numerous times in bukhari and muslim about hell and such. i do not have them on hand, but let me summarize basically what mohammad said.
“The Jews have 71 sects. the Christians have 72. the muslims will have 73. and out of that, only followers of one of them will get into heaven.”
So? Does it change anything I said? Islam will sected by people over time into 73. All of them will have their own interpretation of Quran and Hadeeses. For example,there is also a hadeeth that says that only .1% of the people will go to heaven. it says something like
“for every 10,000 people, 9999 will go to hell. going to heaven is like a white mule with a black hair.”
i’m glad you mentioned mrs. ellen g white. because if she can get so successful, it is obvious how mohammad could be so successful. if you add up ellen’s writings, it comes to be 75 times bigger then the Bible. that is how much she wrote. she quoted Scripture, etc. and she was able to be very successful.
and she truly believed in herself too. she never gave up her claim.
and like mohammad, who was scared to start revealing his “revelations”, she too was. she asked God not to choose her, and her church had to encourage her to start preaching what she had known.
The point is not what she said, the point is her claim of Holy Spirit which is the same that all of Christian sects claim. The same Spirit leading you all to different claims. All of you don’t follow even single Bible. Only you catholics worship Mary (ra). Yehovah Witness don’t worship even Jesus (pbuh).she also had psychological problems. she had gotten in a huge accident and was severely injured years before.
Simply, that he probably borrowed his “prophethood” from Mani since his claims are just about identical.How does this “argumentation by parallel” differ in principle from the use of “argumentation by parallel” used by Fundamentalists or non-Christians against Catholicism ?
So what’s your problem? Does knowing the fact that the Quran came through Muhammad, make it valid or make any claim of his true?Can you summerise it? Just tell me who wrote the Book Hebrews.