Parents’ ‘Sex Ed Sit Out’ Protesting Forced Gender Ideology in Schools Spreads Across Country

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Kids will imitate though. We all know this. That’s not saying that every LGBT preteen is imitating or making things up. I don’t think anyone’s making that kind of a judgment.
QwertyGirl said:
Our teacher used to tell parents: I will believe half of what the kids say happens at home, if you will do the same when they are telling you what happens at school. They aren’t exactly the most honest demographic at that age.
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I agree.
Alex337 said:
Heh, now I’m imaging style conscious penguins.
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Well, they do wear tuxes. 😉
 
Based on my research, the word Ms was created by radical feminists to denote that a woman did not want to feel “owned” by a man. A very radical departure from healthy relationships and a denial of what her own body and mind tell her. Mother, wife and a partner, not someone believing they were a victim even before starting a relationship. Zie and hir are perversions of the German words that mean You (Sie) and Yesterday (hier). Right now, in New York City, there is a law that will punish other people if they don’t address people by their perfered pronoun. That kind of dictatorship thinking will cause a backlash because people should be free to ignore invented words. They should not be forced to use words that only have meaning to a small number of people.

Gender binary is a perverse term. People are male or female. Period. At birth, those with both or ambiguous genitalia often go through a surgical procedure after tests are performed. There are some rare exceptions.
 
I’m not too sure what’s radical about not feeling the need to define yourself by your married or unmarried statues; men don’t and they seem just fine. I used “ms” before and after marriage and it saved on a surprising amount of paperwork 😊

As too laws saying to use people’s preferred pronouns; it seems pretty easy to me? I know in most social situations being polite is normally preferred. I don’t know if we need a law on that outside of professional industries, such as work place discrimination, but I suppose it would actually effect me.

You may disagree with the term gender binary. But it is the term used to explain these situations. Some folks who prefer neutral terms are intersex. And even if they’re not it seems a lot simpler to just respect their wishes than demand to one what’s in their pants.
 
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Based on my research, the word Ms was created by radical feminists to denote that a woman did not want to feel “owned” by a man
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The modern day use of “Ms.” was initiated because women were tired of being discriminated against because they were married and had children. Pre- “Ms”, employers were allowed to discrimate in hiring based on a woman’s marital status. Can you imagine?

If you consider that radical feminism, then thank God for radical feminists.

Personally, I don’t see anything radical about it.
 
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Alex337 said:
As too laws saying to use people’s preferred pronouns; it seems pretty easy to me? I know in most social situations being polite is normally preferred. I don’t know if we need a law on that outside of professional industries, such as work place discrimination, but I suppose it would actually effect me.
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Legislating courtesy is the quickest way to garner resentment.

I have no issues with anyone, but telling people how to behave in social situations will only cause problems.
 
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That is entirely true. I choose not to use words others use, including where I work.
 
QwertyGirl said:
“Ms.” was developed because women were tired of being descriminated against because they were married and had children. Pre- “Ms”, employers were allowed to descrimate in hiring based on a woman’s marital status. Can you imagine?
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“Ms.” used to annoy me - until I found out where it came from. THEN it made sense.

Here’s another glimpse into how far we’ve come in a short time. My parents (my mom is 84, my dad would be 88 if he were living) were once barred from buying a house because my mother could still bear children. Not-so-fun fact.
 
Indeed, that’s why I prefer it only in professional environments. I don’t think anyone should have to put up with discriminatory poor language at work.
 
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QwertyGirl:
“Ms.” was developed because women were tired of being descriminated against because they were married and had children. Pre- “Ms”, employers were allowed to descrimate in hiring based on a woman’s marital status. Can you imagine?
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“Ms.” used to annoy me - until I found out where it came from. THEN it made sense.

Here’s another glimpse into how far we’ve come in a short time. My parents (my mom is 84, my dad would be 88 if he were living) were once barred from buying a house because my mother could still bear children. Not-so-fun fact.
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That baffles me, what was the reasoning?
 
That is exactly where it will cause problems and more discriminatory behavior. You can’t legislate courtesy. You can’t force someone to behave a certain way. That will backfire on a grand scale.
 
Because it was the 1950s and it was perfectly legal back then. She could still have children. That would affect their disposable income, and could affect their ability to pay the bill.

Disgusting, right? Commonplace and legal back then. You can’t do that now.

Had she had a letter from an MD stating she was unable to bear children, they would’ve gotten the house.
 
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Pup7 said:
That is exactly where it will cause problems and more discriminatory behavior. You can’t legislate courtesy. You can’t force someone to behave a certain way. That will backfire on a grand scale.
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We’ve had laws in place prohibiting discriminatory language in the work place since 1992. So far it seems fine.
 
Pup7 said:
Because it was the 1950s and it was perfectly legal back then. She could still have children. That would affect their disposable income, and could affect their ability to pay the bill.

Disgusting, right? Commonplace and legal back then. You can’t do that now.

Had she had a letter from an MD stating she was unable to bear children, they would’ve gotten the house.
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That’s really interesting. Horrible, but interesting.
 
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So have we.

But legislating courtesy is a bit different.
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I think perhaps there’s a miscommunication? Calling someone by correct pronouns and avoiding gender based slurs was covered in the laws here after all.
 
It’s not here, so there’s the difference. Not pronouns. And I think I’ve furthered the disconnect because I’m thinking of alternate pronouns.

Slurs, yes, of course that’s illegal.
 
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My mom is in her 80’s. When she was first married as a young thing in her 20’s, married women weren’t typically allowed to get a credit card in their own name without their husband’s written approval. How backwards is that??? Thank goodness for the laws we have in place that make that type of requirement illegal.
 
It seems like that is steadily changing. To me it seems fair that people shouldn’t have to put up with discrimination based on their gender identity.
 
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