Parents’ ‘Sex Ed Sit Out’ Protesting Forced Gender Ideology in Schools Spreads Across Country

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ConfusedLucy said:
I wonder if there will be legal cases from children pushed into trans procedures they were too young to understand by parents who though it was trendy.
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There are men who have sued for being circumcised as babies:
Given the choice, William Stowell says he would have kept his foreskin.

Since the choice was made for him, he is suing the hospital where he was born and circumcised for depriving him of “the pleasure of natural, normal sexual intercourse.”

Stowell says his sex life would be much better if he had been allowed to keep his foreskin — the loose fold of skin that covers the tip of the penis. But his mother denied that to him when she signed a circumcision consent form in the maternity ward where she gave birth; she says now that it was a mistake.
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http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=127183&page=1

There is also a case from 2015 where the adoptive parents of a child who was born Intersex with both male and female genitalia and had “corrective” surgery performed on him to make him female sued the doctors who performed the operation:
In a first of its kind lawsuit, Greenville, S.C., residents Pam and Mark Crawford are suing the doctors who gave their adopted son sex reassignment surgery while in foster care. MC, who had been deemed a female by doctors, had surgery at 16 months to “correct” his status as intersex (having both male and female genitalia), but is struggling with this assigned identity now at 10 years old. His parents are grieving that such a decision was made for him before he was able to make it himself.
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https://www.medicaldaily.com/gender...ctors-making-their-intersex-child-girl-347804
 
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ConfusedLucy:
I wonder if there will be legal cases from children pushed into trans procedures they were too young to understand by parents who though it was trendy.
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I am right there with you.
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In Australia you can’t have any surgery until 16 or 18 depending on the ruling of a psychologist. I’m surprised the US doesn’t have similar rules?
 
You noticed, of course, that even the heading of that article says the child is intersex? Governments around the world do surgery on intersex children all the time, it’s something the lgbt+community are campaigning against.
 
So they’re going to have a genetic - karyotypic, I’m guessing - male grow up as a female.

Which means hormone treatments. For life.

Yeah I’m against that 100%.
 
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And how is that any better, actually? Where are the studies proving doing nothing is an equally good idea?

Serious question.
 
Pup7 said:
So they’re going to have a genetic - phenotypic, I’m guessing - male grow up as a female.

Which means hormone treatments. For life.

Yeah I’m against that 100%.
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The child is intersex. They were likely going to need hormones for life anyway and were born with, to quote the article “female appearing genitals”. I don’t think any surgeries like this should be done on a child, and again the lgbt+ community are constantly trying to raise awareness of what is done to intersex children.
 
We actually don’t know that.

A karyotypic male is going to have male traits even if the phenotype is ambiguous.

XY gives certain traits by default.
 
Pup7 said:
And how is that any better, actually? Where are the studies proving doing nothing is an equally good idea?

Serious question.
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It depends on the type of condition. But performing genital altering surgeries on a child before they can consent and make an adult decision, when it doesn’t actually benefit the child, is immortal. By all means cut out cancer, but don’t force aesthetic surgery on children.
 
So you’d advocate not fixing a cleft palate if it has no adverse effect on the child (it’s possible)? That’s aesthetic. How about a large port wine stain easier corrected as an infant? Or a benign but disfiguring tumor that poses no danger?

Intersex surgery can also be about function depending on the degree of involvement. How about then?
 
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So you’d advocate not fixing a cleft palate if it has no adverse effect on the child (it’s possible)? That’s aesthetic. How about a large port wine stain easier corrected as an infant? Or a benign but disfiguring tumor that poses no danger?

Intersex surgery can also be about function depending on the degree of involvement. How about then?
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I don’t think a cleft palate or a birthmark is the same as performing a viginioplasty on a child, or cutting off gonads.

When possible in terms of use we should await until the person has some say.
 
I’ve wondered that.
And I actually saw a teenager railroaded through a sexual reassignment (hormones and social transition–the operations came a bit later) --there was way more to his story than simple gender dysphoria…

When are the kids going to come forward with “I was only a kid. Why didn’t you stop me?”

Kinda like the women who found out that abortion wasn’t actually a simple solution to their problem
 
In the UK I think surgery has to wait until this time but hormones and puberty blockers can be used earlier. I can see both sides, on the one hand a young teen can’t really consent to something like this but on the other hand most 16-18 would be too developed to physically transition.
 
Ah good, I was just looking up the age ranges for this (admittedly on wiki; Transgender youth - Wikipedia) and it didn’t look like surgery could happen at that age. It looks to me like hormones can be introduced at 16, and before then blockers can be used; which have no shown lasting impacts.

I actually support hormone blockers in these situations as they don’t have lasting effects, you can go off them and return to a normal cycle, but it gives people time to assess their situation.
 
The tricky thing is a lot, maybe even most children don’t like the idea of the physical changes of puberty. I absolutely hated it but it was a normal part of growing up that had to be endured. I’m not sure it’s a good idea to pathologize something normal.
 
ConfusedLucy said:
The tricky thing is a lot, maybe even most children don’t like the idea of the physical changes of puberty. I absolutely hated it but it was a normal part of growing up that had to be endured. I’m not sure it’s a good idea to pathologize something normal.
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That’s why a psychologist should, and does, make the decision as to whether the blockers are needed. Much like how many teens are anxious or depressed, but not all require anti-anxiety medication.
 
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