Parents’ ‘Sex Ed Sit Out’ Protesting Forced Gender Ideology in Schools Spreads Across Country

[Charbel]

Well. That is the problem. There are thousands of schools and institutions built this way and not money for retrofitting locker rooms. Adding stalls would also lose floor space so you may need an expansion. This could cost into the hundreds of thousands for each institution. Schools already don’t have enough money for good salaries for teachers (See current debated in KY) and are using 20 year old textbooks. So no, the easiest solution would be to NOT ALLOW biological males into the women’s facilities.

 

[Alex337]

Well. That is the problem. There are thousands of schools and institutions built this way and not money for retrofitting locker rooms. Adding stalls would also lose floor space so you may need an expansion. This could cost into the hundreds of thousands for each institution. Schools already don’t have enough money for good salaries for teachers (See current debated in KY) and are using 20 year old textbooks. So no, the easiest solution would be to NOT ALLOW biological males into the women’s facilities.

Or as someone else in this thread mentioned; hold PE at the end of the day so students can change at home if they want to.

 

[ConfusedLucy]

I don’t think it should be allowed too much beyond the normal time frame for puberty. Different situation but I did know someone with an endocrine disorder that her parents delayed getting her assessed for and it wasn’t simply a case of getting everything started normally at 18, there were permanent consequences.

 

[ConfusedLucy]

Well you have to have a timetable for PE that fits in all the students, you couldn’t just have classes at the end of the school day.

 

[Alex337]

I don’t think it should be allowed too much beyond the normal time frame for puberty. Different situation but I did know someone with an endocrine disorder that her parents delayed getting her assessed for and it wasn’t simply a case of getting everything started normally at 18, there were permanent consequences.

That seems fair. Would 16 be a reasonable cut off age? I’d want to see a lot of things in place to assist with the cut off frame, counselling sessions to help them prepare for example.

 

[Alex337]

Well you have to have a timetable for PE that fits in all the students, you couldn’t just have classes at the end of the school day.

Indeed, it would depend on the size of the school among other things. I know the school I teach at has sports day for the whole school on Wednesday afternoons, students are able to go home directly from the sports venue with permission from their parents. PE is spaced throughout the day but we have enclosed stalls for changing and showering.

 

[ConfusedLucy]

Probably, though I would rather the decision be made by doctors.

I have worked in a non medical context for a paediatric endocrinology team and they were very keen on normal puberty, these blockers were only given for precocious puberty, they weren’t given to children of puberty age whose parents weren’t keen on their children growing pubic hair for example.

They doctors were also keen to treat delayed puberty, we had a few older teenage boys with learning difficulties and absent puberty, their mothers often weren’t keen but were advised it’s in the best interest of the child to develop normally and grow healthy bones.

I’m no expert but these experienced doctors were clearly keen on normal development for these young people and not messing around with it.

 

[Alex337]

Probably, though I would rather the decision be made by doctors.

I have worked in a non medical context for a paediatric endocrinology team and they were very keen on normal puberty, these blockers were only given for precocious puberty, they weren’t given to children of puberty age whose parents weren’t keen on their children growing pubic hair for example.

They doctors were also keen to treat delayed puberty, we had a few older teenage boys with learning difficulties and absent puberty, their mothers often weren’t keen but were advised it’s in the best interest of the child to develop normally and grow healthy bones.

I’m no expert but these experienced doctors were clearly keen on normal development for these young people and not messing around with it.

Agreed. I think a doctor and a psychologist should both be consulted and that the teen should go for regular check ups with both to ensure no ill effects happen.

 

[ConfusedLucy]

I wonder if part of the whole trans issue with young people is how poor child mental health services are (at least in the UK). Are some people maybe seeing this as a quick fix to very complicated mental health needs that stretched services can’t meet?

 

[Alex337]

I wonder if part of the whole trans issue with young people is how poor child mental health services are (at least in the UK). Are some people maybe seeing this as a quick fix to very complicated mental health needs that stretched services can’t meet?

Possibly. I agree that child mental health is in need of improvement (I suppose as with most mental health stuff). People seem to not understand that children can need mental health support.

Honestly one of the reasons I stopped teaching in the UK was I saw too many instances of teens in severe emotional turmoil and there didn’t seem to be anything I could do. I reported it to the school, but there wasn’t much they could do about it either.

Australia isn’t much better but my current school has two counsellors that visit, and that’s more than my UK school had.

 

[Alex337]

robertlnorman:

And if a person, let’s say a colleague of yours, declined to use alternate pronouns, including they/them, what do you think should happen to that person?

I’m not just asking what you would do. I’m asking what should happen to a person who refuses to use alternate pronouns, if anything. Should they face any consequences?

I think they should be removed from interactions with the other person, potentially have the two enter counselling as one would when colleagues have a dispute.

 

[ConfusedLucy]

I knew a girl who had a very difficult home life and was cutting herself and ended up being “counseled” by a science teacher who had read some pdfs on the subject. It’s poor.

 

[Alex337]

That’s horrible. That’s exactly the kind of thing I saw. It honestly made me reconsider teaching for a while because there was just nothing I could do for these kids.

 

[robertlnorman]

Let’s say that in the counseling, the person who refuses to use alternate pronouns for religious reasons. What, in your opinion, should happen to the person who refuses?

 

[edwest211]

Yes. This must be done. It is not a trivial matter. Children know a mother and a father are a requirement since time immemorial. Where’s my dad? Where’s my mum? The woman did not get pregnant by herself, and that includes artificial insemination.

 

[edwest211]

Of course there will. “Your Honor. I was too young and too immature to understand what was happening to me. I am here on my own behalf and for others like me.”

 

[edwest211]

It’s Marxist.

https://www.csustan.edu/sites/default/files/History/Faculty/Weikart/Marx-Engels-and-the-Abolition-of-the-Family.pdf

 

[edwest211]

And now that a bit of time has passed, some news.

Dear Gay Community: Your Kids Are Hurting

 

[ThinkingSapien]

Maybe it’s different in the US but in Australia when we have single stall neutral bathrooms you’re in there alone so unless you wanted to pee with someone else in the stall with you there wouldn’t be room for a chaperone.

It varies in the USA. You will find primarily a mixture of individual bathrooms and large bathrooms with the toilets separated by individual stalls. Less common but existent are also bathrooms with wash rooms but toilets on different sides for men and women. In NYC and LA I’ve encountered a few unisex restooms; first time I walked in one I thought I was in the wrong place when I saw someone of the opposite sex washing hands.

Oh, I think I’ve heard about this; is it true that toilets in the US have gaps in their doors?

Yes, under and over. When I was in elementary school the boys restrooms had no doors at all. Any one walking by could see what you were doing. I quick google search shows this isn’t something that was specific to the time that I was in elementary school though. Various schools show as having various reasons for doing it; prevent people from writing on the walls, prevent people from having sex in there, prevent kids from making a mess, so on…

f you have XY chromosomes and were born appearing to be intersex, you’d not look much like a woman by puberty.

Any idea how someone with strong testosterone/Androgen resistance might look by then?

 

[Pup7]

I actually support hormone blockers in these situations as they don’t have lasting effects

Are we sure it doesn’t cause problems down the road? I’m serious, because I don’t know the answer. This isn’t my expertise.