Parents miss Mass, kids get ax

[Giannawannabe]

ByzCath:

No, I do not think you, as the teacher of the CCD class, should kick anyone out of class. I think this is something the pastor must decide.

But do you really think that these children have any hope of learning what you are teaching without the parents supporting it?

Again, it is the responsibility of the parents to teach the children. They are teaching their children much by their actions, I do not think you can change that and I will bet that you do not tell these children that what their parents are doing is wrong.

While I am not so sure that the children should be removed from the CCD class I will not second guess the priest in this. I am totally for not allowing these children to continue on from CCD to First Eucharist with out the parents’ meeting the very least of what a Catholic should do.

Again, I support this priest in what was done. This was not just dumped on eveyrone. There has been 18 months of warnings.

No. I definitely tell the children that missing Mass and Holy Days of Obligation is a mortal sin. So far, no parent has come by to question this.
I must say that I do support the priest in this matter, since he gave ample warning to the parents. If the priest made it clear that they must attend weekly Mass in order for the children to attend CCD and make their Sacraments, so be it. However, I’m not sure I agree that it’s the best route for the children. It does seem that the children are the ones who are having something taken away, not the parents.
I believe YingYangMom suggested making arrangements to take the children to Mass if the parents aren’t. I have actually thought of making that offer in the past, but was not allowed to do so. I think if it was offered, the parents would step up a little—even if they are being shamed into it.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

Giannawannabe:

No. I definitely tell the children that missing Mass and Holy Days of Obligation is a mortal sin. So far, no parent has come by to question this.

And if the child believed what you told them and brought this up to their parents I bet the parents told their child that you do not know what your talking about.

Who do you think the child believe? You how tell them this or their parents?

I must say that I do support the priest in this matter, since he gave ample warning to the parents. If the priest made it clear that they must attend weekly Mass in order for the children to attend CCD and make their Sacraments, so be it. However, I’m not sure I agree that it’s the best route for the children. It does seem that the children are the ones who are having something taken away, not the parents.

I do not see what else could have been done other than teaching the children the wrong message but I would be open to another method.

I believe YingYangMom suggested making arrangements to take the children to Mass if the parents aren’t. I have actually thought of making that offer in the past, but was not allowed to do so. I think if it was offered, the parents would step up a little—even if they are being shamed into it.

I would not do so as I would not place myself into a situtation where I could be accused of something improper.

 

[AlanFromWichita]

It occurred to me that faith would be St. Teresa or whoever it was, who wrote “even if he be a demon incarnate” that she would not second guess the person giving her communion.

That probably means that if I wanted to unity with this attitude of hers, I would be in complete submission to my local priest. Back in her day, if I thought he was doing it wrong, there was no going up the chain of command because there were no instant telecommunications.

This brings up the question, what if I believe the priest is not in accordance with Rome, to whom I’ve pledged submission? Well, under what conditions is obedience to Rome actually defined by obedience to the hand that feeds us the Euicharist? Apparently St. Teresa thought so.

Has the advent of telecommunications changed the Chain of Command? It certainly has given Rome more access to monitoring local conditions beyond the Ad Luminim (sp?) visits. Now you can send email directly to the pope!

Why should we obey our local priest when we can find authoritative reasons to believe his teachings are demonic?

What would St. Teresa do if she had access to CAF? Obey your priest anyway and trust the Church to bring us all home?

Alan