Parishioners asked to attend church unarmed [in Wisconsin]

[Brendan]

Like another of the posters, I think it’s ridiculous that people think that carring a concealed weapon in public places is ok, whether it’s a church, a shopping mall, a school, a government building, etc. You can cherry-pick the statistics all you want for instances where carrying a gun ended up saving lives. Guns are inherently dangerous, they are carried by unstable and unwise people, and permitting concealed firearms endangers innocent people. The NRA is wrong, and the Republicans who pander to the NRA are wrong. It is just nonsense to suggest that the second amendment to the Constitution was intended to permit us to carry concealed weapons in public places.

So, your solution to the fact that unstable people carry guns is for the stable people to be unarmed.

How exactly does that make the stable people any safer?

And you are correct, the 2nd ammendment was NOT for people to carry concealed arms, rather it was for them to carry arms openly.

“Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”

• Thomas Jefferson, quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria in “On Crimes and Punishment”, 1764.

“The Constitution of most of our states, and the United States, assert that all power is inherent in the people, that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of prosperity, and freedom of the press.”

• Thomas Jefferson, proposed Virginia Constitution, 1776

“Among the natural rights of the colonists are these: first, a right to life, secondly to liberty, thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can.”

• Samuel Adams

“The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms.”

• Samuel Adams, Massachusetts ratification convention for the U. S. Constitution. 1788

Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at the individual discretion, in private self-defense.”

• John Adams, “A Defense of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America” 1787-88.

“To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them.”

• Richard Henry Lee, Additional Letters from the Federal Farmer #53, 1788.

“Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived the use of them.”

• Thomas Paine, “Thoughts on Defensive War” 1775

“A free people ought to be armed. When firearms go, all goes, we need them by the hour. Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence.”

• George Washington, Boston Independence Chronicle, January 14, 1790.

 

[Catholic90]

Citizens who carry legally can thwart crime…

No charges in shooting of Mpls robbery suspect
October 28, 2011

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — A man who confronted and fatally shot a suspected robber won’t be charged in the killing because he acted in self-defense after a gun was pointed at him, prosecutors said Friday.

Instead, prosecutors filed felony charges against the dead man’s sister, alleging she participated in two earlier robberies in the same neighborhood and was with her brother the night he was shot.

Octavia Shonte Marberry, 20, of Minneapolis, was charged with two counts of aggravated first-degree robbery. Her brother, Darren Evanovich, was shot and killed Oct. 20 after police said he fled the scene of a robbery in a Cub Foods parking lot.

The criminal complaint against Marberry described the events leading up to the shooting. It said a 53-year-old woman’s purse was taken and she was hit in the head with a handgun shortly before 10 p.m. Evanovich, Marberry and another man - all suspects in that robbery - fled.

The complaint said the unidentified man followed them in his car and asked for the robbery victim’s purse back. Evanovich pointed a gun at the man, who pulled out his own handgun and fired. The man has a valid concealed-carry permit, authorities said.

Marberry was charged in an Oct. 12 robbery at a Target store and in an Oct. 15 robbery at a Cub Foods store. In both cases, a knife was used to threaten the victims, both women in their 50s.

Marberry was in custody Friday and is scheduled to appear in court Monday. It wasn’t immediately clear if an attorney had been appointed for her.

(Copyright 2011 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

 

[Brendan]

legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for someone responsible for another’s life, the common good of the family or of the State. Unfortunately, it happens that the need to render the aggressor incapable of causing harm sometimes involves taking his life. In this case, the fatal outcome is attributable to the aggressor whose actions brought it about, even though he may not be morally responsible because of a lack of the use of reason."/QUOTE]

-Pope John Paul II’s Encyclical EVANGELIUM VITAE

 

[louis91766]

What is the person next to you wants to hold hands during the “Our Father”!

In a case like that, I get down on my knees and put my hands on my face and pray that way.

 

[Brendan]

-( IN regards to the Second Ammendment)

The prohibition is general. No clause in the Constitution could by any rule of construction be conceived to give to congress a power to disarm the people. Such a flagitious attempt could only be made under some general pretence by a state legislature. But if in any blind pursuit of inordinate power, either should attempt it, this amendment may be appealed to as a restraint on both.

In most of the countries of Europe, this right does not seem to be denied, although it is allowed more or less sparingly, according to circumstances. In England, a country which boasts so much of its freedom, the right was secured to protestant subjects only, on the revolution of 1688; and it is cautiously described to be that of bearing arms for their defence, “suitable to their conditions, and as allowed by law.”

.An arbitrary code for the preservation of game in that country has long disgraced them. A very small proportion of the people being permitted to kill it, though for their own subsistence; a gun or other instrument, used for that purpose by an unqualified person, may be seized and forfeited

William Rawle, A View of the Constitution of the United States of America 125-26 (2d ed. 1829).

( Mr. Rawle was appointed as a U.S. Attorney for Pennsylvania by President George Washington. Mr. Rawle was also Washington’s candidate to be the nation’s

 

[odile53]

My dad and two of my uncles carried weapons to Mass for a little less than a year regularly. The first time they did it was June 7, 1944, in a small village in Normandy. The parish priest was thrilled to see them, even though they didn’t speak a word of French!

 

[Catholic90]

My dad and two of my uncles carried weapons to Mass for a little less than a year regularly. The first time they did it was June 7, 1944, in a small village in Normandy. The parish priest was thrilled to see them, even though they didn’t speak a word of French!

 

[Joe_5859]

What is the person next to you wants to hold hands during the “Our Father”!

Yes, I suppose it could come in handy in those situations.

 

[mtbender]

Our men and women in uniform do it every day. I don’t think God has an issue with their M16 in the back of the church…