Parishioners billed $72,000 for TLM (not a joke)

[JReducation]

People give donations to the upkeep of the church and its priest etc…
To make them pay to use the church is daft in itself or this thread wouldnt be on going.

This is actually a very common fiancial situation. I’ll give you two that I know of.

1. Our local Lutheran parish uses the auditorium at the local public high school every Sunday for services. Even though the high school is paid for by tax dollars, they still have to pay rent to the school board for using the facilities one day a week.
2. My parish has relgious. The deal between the Order and the bishop was for two priests. The Diocese pays the Order a salary for the two priests. But the Order has assigned three other friars to live in that house. They do not work for the parish. One is the superior of the house, but not the pastor as he is not a priest. Another is a mental health counselor. The other is a handyman. The Order pays the parish rent for the three additional friars that live in the house, even though one of them is the pastor’s superior. I’d hate to be the person who does the book keeping trying to keep all of this sorted out.

Nonetheless, these arrangements are common. I don’t think they’re daft. They’re based on justice.

JR

 

[dkoinzan]

I think what is hard is that we are running our parishes more like a business than like a family. Our parishes should be family. If we all acted like that, then we wouldn’t have this problem.

 

[bobzills]

I think what is hard is that we are running our parishes more like a business than like a family. Our parishes should be family. If we all acted like that, then we wouldn’t have this problem.

Bills have to be paid.

 

[JReducation]

Bills have to be paid.

You’re right about this Bob. We must also add that parishes have to comply with civil law, not just Church law. The IRS has very strict laws, as we all know. Parishes are not exempt from audits.

For legal purposes they are corporations or properties of a larger corporation such as diocese or religious order.

Money and other civil issues are going to enter into the picture.

JR

 

[dkoinzan]

Would you let your Mother end up in the poor house? If we treated eachother like brothers and sisters and the church like the Mother it is we wouldn’t have this problem.

 

[SuscipeMeDomine]

Would you let your Mother end up in the poor house? If we treated eachother like brothers and sisters and the church like the Mother it is we wouldn’t have this problem.

And what problem is that? You have a group of people across many parishes who want something their own parish doesn’t offer. The bishop is willing to assign them a priest if the group can pay the expenses involved. And now the people are whining and moaning.

I recently heard about CAVE people. They Complain About Virtually Everything. And I think we’ve just found an enclave of them.

 

[JReducation]

And what problem is that? You have a group of people across many parishes who want something their own parish doesn’t offer. The bishop is willing to assign them a priest if the group can pay the expenses involved. And now the people are whining and moaning.

I recently heard about CAVE people. They Complain About Virtually Everything. And I think we’ve just found an enclave of them.

:tiphat: I love that. Can I borrow that? I’ll give you credit.

JR

 

[dkoinzan]

I don’t disagree that they should pay. I am saying that if all of us really understood what was in the Mass, we would bend over backwards to make sure is was well funded. If we were acting like the church was family, we would be willing to do what it takes to make them finacially stable. I really don’t see why the people can’t have the latin Mass when it never should have been taken from them to begin with. If we can have a parish that has English Mass, Spanish Mass… Why can’t we also offer Latin Mass. Latin Mass belongs to all of our history. It is all of our culture. It may be the one thing that could bring us together.

 

[Neil_Anthony]

I don’t disagree that they should pay. I am saying that if all of us really understood what was in the Mass, we would bend over backwards to make sure is was well funded. If we were acting like the church was family, we would be willing to do what it takes to make them finacially stable. I really don’t see why the people can’t have the latin Mass when it never should have been taken from them to begin with. If we can have a parish that has English Mass, Spanish Mass… Why can’t we also offer Latin Mass. Latin Mass belongs to all of our history. It is all of our culture. It may be the one thing that could bring us together.

The real answer is that very, very few people want to attend a mass in Latin.

 

[dkoinzan]

I wouldn’t be so sure of that.

 

[Neil_Anthony]

I wouldn’t be so sure of that.

Maybe it doesn’t matter. If each of the ten or 20 families in the diocese who want the TLM contribute 10% of their income they should be able to raise the money.

 

[SuscipeMeDomine]

:tiphat: I love that. Can I borrow that? I’ll give you credit.

JR

You’re welcome to use that but it’s not original to me. I heard it from someone who said he heard it from someone else…you know how that goes.

 

[ethelzguy]

I think what is hard is that we are running our parishes more like a business than like a family. Our parishes should be family. If we all acted like that, then we wouldn’t have this problem.

I don’t know about YOUR family, but if I were to rely on MY family, I’d be up the proverbial creek

Like it or not, the Church IS a business too. In fact, I can safely say, that “religion” is probably the biggest business on the planet.

Somebody’s gotta pay the bills. Prayer or Piety isn’t going to do it alone.

 

[dkoinzan]

My faithless family would leave me out in the cold. My family members who are practicing Catholics would help me. God has called us to be a family and he has created the Church as a family. We have slipped away from what the church used to be and maybe by bringing back the history of the Church it can one day become more what Jesus called it to be. The english translation has strayed far from the original Latin text. The Spanish Mass in the town that I live in is far closer to the Latin text. I pray that Latin has the potential to bring people from all different nationalities together because there will be a language that can unite us.

 

[whiteknite]

My faithless family would leave me out in the cold. My family members who are practicing Catholics would help me. God has called us to be a family and he has created the Church as a family. We have slipped away from what the church used to be and maybe by bringing back the history of the Church it can one day become more what Jesus called it to be. The english translation has strayed far from the original Latin text. The Spanish Mass in the town that I live in is far closer to the Latin text. I pray that Latin has the potential to bring people from all different nationalities together because there will be a language that can unite us.

God didnt create the church, Man did.
Thats why we have so many religons
Jesus never preached in a church for the reason that we only need ourselves to reach God not a priest or church, Thats why he was persicuted as it would have put alot of people out of a job…

Think about it… He was teaching people more or less the same as they have always done but correcting mans mistakes.

 

[Auntie_M]

Please, if I may…

The Parable of the prodigal son…The one son took all his possessions and went off in a different direction. The other son stayed true to his father’s house. When the father saw his prodigal son returning, he was exceedingly glad. (the family would be united again) but the one son that stayed quarreled about all that the father was doing for the prodigal son.

The TLM says that they are staying true to the faith and it was the NO that strayed.
Well, now, the NO, as the prodigal son, went way out and “changed everything”, spent all their “inheritance” on this new way.
Now that the NO is “coming back to the true faith”, the other son, The TLM, complains about how unfair it is that the Father is giving the NO special favors, (they didn’t have to pay for the ‘first changes’…etc…) but now the TLM has to pay for these?

I don’t think we were ever promised a rose garden, (since the Garden of Eden), and since it was the TLM that say it was the NO that “changed”. Who really changed. The TLM or the NO.
Who is really doing all the complaining? Who is really NOT following the Pope…It is not the silent spoke that gets all the grease, it’s the one that makes the loudest noise.

 

[Auntie_M]

God didnt create the church, Man did.
Thats why we have so many religons
Jesus never preached in a church for the reason that we only need ourselves to reach God not a priest or church, Thats why he was persicuted as it would have put alot of people out of a job…

Think about it… He was teaching people more or less the same as they have always done but correcting mans mistakes.

I am so proud of “Free Thinking” people. Not that they ALWAYS make the RIGHT choices, but that they are free thinkers. At least they are not “misled” by what others tell them, as they always “check” things out and get ALL THE FACTS from BOTH sides, to make sure, before they make up their own minds, right??? I know they pray for God’s grace to help make those “right” choices. And since you said you were NOT an athiest, I am sure that’s exactly what you do, right?.

So then I KNOW you have read EVERYTHING about the Catholic Church from DAY ONE> oh how I wish I was that smart.

 

[KathleenElsie]

In my previous post about the young priest who learned Latin so as to celebrate the extraordinary rite of Mass, I said that he was criticized for making some mistakes. They were not serious mistakes such as saying the words of consecration wrong. They were mistakes such as forgetting for a few seconds to keep his thumbs and forefingers together after consecrating the Host.

I love the EF. I don’t watch the priest as much as I concentrate on the prayers and Christ. I do know what the “rules” are in general. I expect a priest just learning the EF to make mistakes and pray for him to persevere over the complaints and short comings of the congregation. God Bless the priests that are trying their best to serve God.

 

[Auntie_M]

Oh, Whiteknite,

I AM so very proud of you…You are sooooo right that it was man that made the churchES…and I’ll bet you know his name ,too, Luther, right!!! (see I’m learning)

Gee, you ARE really smart: (I am so very proud that you are so brave to state that you are neither Atheist nor Pagan…) alot of peole would not make that stand. Cause that only means …(drumroll) YOOU"RE CHRISTIAN

 

[ethelzguy]

Please, if I may…

The Parable of the prodigal son…The one son took all his possessions and went off in a different direction. The other son stayed true to his father’s house. When the father saw his prodigal son returning, he was exceedingly glad. (the family would be united again) but the one son that stayed quarreled about all that the father was doing for the prodigal son.

The TLM says that they are staying true to the faith and it was the NO that strayed.
Well, now, the NO, as the prodigal son, went way out and “changed everything”, spent all their “inheritance” on this new way.
Now that the NO is “coming back to the true faith”, the other son, The TLM, complains about how unfair it is that the Father is giving the NO special favors, (they didn’t have to pay for the ‘first changes’…etc…) but now the TLM has to pay for these?

I don’t think we were ever promised a rose garden, (since the Garden of Eden), and since it was the TLM that say it was the NO that “changed”. Who really changed. The TLM or the NO.
Who is really doing all the complaining? Who is really NOT following the Pope…It is not the silent spoke that gets all the grease, it’s the one that makes the loudest noise.

Wow! What an intersting take on the issue.