To what? Past candidates are no longer running for office. Their web sites have long since expired.
What language specifically is outrageous?
Park Police Tear Gas Peaceful Protesters To Clear Way For Trump Church Photo-Op
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PaulinVA
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And. Now. This.
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gracepoole
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No one reported on it?gracepoole:
To what? Past candidates are no longer running for office. Their web sites have long since expired.
At the very least, using the term “Trump army” shows a complete tone deafness to our country’s current situation.gracepoole:
What language specifically is outrageous?
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petra22
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Very telling words… unless “peaceably” has a different meaning to me and to you…
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PaulinVA
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Well, If I’m assembling peaceably with hundreds of my neighbors, and a few violent people attack the police, I’m still peaceably assembling, aren’t I?
Just like it’s unfair to call all police jackbooted thugs just because some of them are violent and commit felonies under the guise of their badge.
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petra22
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He could be called traitor, Nazi, or multiple other descriptive words… Oh wait. He was already… from a news article.
“a former CIA operations officer accused Trump of being a “traitor” after the New York Times dropped a report that revealed the FBI launched an investigation into whether Trump was working for the Kremlin after he fired James Comey in 2017.”
“a former CIA operations officer accused Trump of being a “traitor” after the New York Times dropped a report that revealed the FBI launched an investigation into whether Trump was working for the Kremlin after he fired James Comey in 2017.”
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petra22
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Well, alright! We can agree that the whole police force should not be labeled for a few bad acting members of the force. By the way, PaulinVA, did you read or hear that two of the three policemen who stood around when Mr. Floyd was killed were new to the force? I thought I saw that today. What does that say about folks defending the city of Minneapolis??? Just wondering… can’t be a good idea to put rookies out there like that. Maybe they were intimidated on the job???
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Ridgerunner
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I guess Minneapolis is saying it will get rid of the police force and do some “alternative” thing. Maybe neighborhood vigilantes? I imagine MS-13 would probably be happy to fill the gap.
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I think they are looking at rebuilding/recreating the police department along the lines of the British model of more community and less guns in your face. I don’t know if that will work, but it seems from what I have read that they have real problems in Minneapolis, many of which stem from the union and its interference with real reform.
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I think this “confession” by the park police is simply saying what they said before, but in a different way. But the liberals want this to be a cause celebre to hurt Trump in the election. With some it might. With others, the true episode probably won’t.
No. You are now a passive participant in a now non-peaceful crowd.
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PaulinVA
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I can’t totally agree with that. I have no control over other forces doing nefarious things. I still have the right to peacefully assemble.
You can’t take away 1st Amendment rights simply because some people won’t be peaceful.
I’m sure you’re in favor of the 2nd Amendment even though some people abuse it and do bad things with guns.
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Do you read sources critical of him? I ask because they often raise questions about the many other human lives being negatively impacted by this president. I’ve asked before on the forums what people are willing to accept in exchange for the anti-abortion rhetoric that sounds good coming from Trump. Frankly at this point, it seems the answer is “everything.”gracepoole:
He could embrace abortion. He could oppress the Little Sisters of the Poor. He could do a lot of things, but frankly as long as his opponent is going to be full bore for abortion, I’m not sure he could deter me from voting for him as long as he didn’t become an abortion supporter too.
Grace, I’m serious about this. I realize people will call me “single issue” and many have. But if I was in Nazi Germany in 1941 and COULD vote against Jew-killing, I would do it no matter what else the Nazis promised.
And I’m serious in saying I see no difference between the Holocaust and abortion-on-demand as it is in this country. This country has sold its soul and any bit of it that can be gained back is a good thing even if at the hands of a rude man.
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gracepoole
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@Ridgerunner, is this acceptable to you? You raised the specter of the Nazis. Do you realize the significance of a president using language like “dominate protestors” and spreading out unidentified policing forces throughout a city?
www.businessinsider.com
Heavily armed men who refuse to identify themselves are patrolling the streets of Washington, DC. They were sent by the Bureau of Prisons.
The Federal Bureau of Prisons, the agency that deployed the officials, said they did not need to identify themselves.
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Nearly every day. It’s unavoidable.
That expression is used constantly in law enforcement. It means being proactive rather than reactive. Perhaps he should have said “be proactive in enforcing the law”. But that would have been attacked too, so I don’t know that it matters much.
The article says they’re “incognito” and without identifying insignia. Then, well, it admits they do have identifying insignia, which the writer identifies as a crisis management team of the Bureau of Prisons, trained in quelling riots. They’re hardly incognito. Their faces are fully visible. Anybody could take photos of them. I’m not familiar with the streets in DC, but according to the article this group appears to be providing security around 15th and H streets, which is in the neighborhood of the White House. so they’re not “patrolling streets” like some invading force of mysterious “green men”. They’re an identifiable riot control unit guarding the White House.
The mayor of DC appears to have evicted the National Guard from their hotel, and doesn’t seem to have things in hand. Some of the NYPD have gone on strike, and it could happen in DC too. Can’t say I blame the president for wanting a skilled team that could be counted on if it came to a serious clash. As we know, some of the “protesters” are anarchists and possibly even foreign actors. We know they throw things, shoot people and throw molotov cocktails. I understand there is to be a big protest march this weekend, which will ultimately end up at the White House. The organizers want a million marchers, but that’s not too likely.
I don’t find the assembly of these law enforcement people ominous at all. What I do find ominous is the continuation of these incessantly out-of-hand confrontations and the participation and direction of them by anarchists and revolutionaries. The “merely Trump-hating crowd” might have bitten off more than they can chew this time, and there’s nothing wrong with Trump protecting himself, his family and the White House itself.
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We must have viewed different video
It’s pretty easy to view it in slow mo and make a judgement. The pushing officer side stepped and moved position to be in front of this guy and ‘push’ him
But who shoves, pushes or uses force against an obviously aged elderly citizen. Enough was used that he fell , bled from his EARS and was knocked out
Who would do that that to their elderly relatives. ? Shove or push with enough force to propel them backwards?
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OurLadyofSorrows
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You lucked out. Make one, If not subject to copyright law. Knit, crochet or sew. Just don’t turn it into a Disney themed cake, Disney goes after home bakers who do things like that, would Trump?
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Yes, and I really fear for the monuments in Washington… and the businesses trying to operate there. And for the people caught in the violence. All the people. I went there twice as a school student and twice as a teacher and it was so special, but then I didn’t get out much… Easily impressed, I guess… 
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What would you do to end abortion? Would you protest? Violate a curfew? Lay down in the middle of a street? Hold up signs with graphic images on them? Picket outside the White House if the president does not support your position? Be tear gassed? Be shot with rubber bullets?
I respectfully suggest that if you’d do any or all of the above, you’re not very different than the majority involved in these protests. Would you support a president claiming law enforcement should “dominate” you were you protesting abortion in the above ways?
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If that is true, then your angst is misplaced. You should be concurrent in blaming the instigators in the midst of the assembly for causing this. (as Trump has). You should be angry at the instigators as it is they who put everyone in this situation.
Apples and Oranges… All Law abiding gun owners are not actively involved at the time of illegal crimes. As such, your analogy is disingenuous. Instigators and peaceful protestors were together in this specific action. No-one is calling to end all 1st amendment guaranteed assembly rights nationally. Actions are taken where they occur and when needed.
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