Pastor Wright invited to speak at St Sabina Catholic Church in Chicago

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planter654 said:
Why do we have all black Catholic Church in the first place? Are we not all brothers and sisters? Why do we not see black Catholics in our Church? In all my life I have never seen A black brother and sister in any Catholic Church in America or Canada, why?

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Because you’re not attending St Patrick’s Cathedral in Charlotte nor apparently any other parish with black parishioners. I sit directly behind a family of African-American converts every Sunday at the 8 am Mass. And no, they don’t have any issue with the Mass not being Protestant enough for them.

Before you impute racism, keep in mind that the Catholic Church was widespread in Africa long before the Pentecostals discovered the continent.
 
Teflon93 said:
Because you’re not attending St Patrick’s Cathedral in Charlotte nor apparently any other parish with black parishioners. I sit directly behind a family of African-American converts every Sunday at the 8 am Mass. And no, they don’t have any issue with the Mass not being Protestant enough for them.
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… and let me also note: I attend a parish with a large number of Black Catholics that are NOT converts. There are many Blacks that are Catholic that come from Catholic families. Every Black person that is Catholic today is NOT a convert.

I would hate to think that any one is under the impression that Catholicism is something new to Blacks in America
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teflon93:
Before you impute racism, keep in mind that the Catholic Church was widespread in Africa long before the Pentecostals discovered the continent.
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Not to mention: Catholicism (Christianity) was in Africa before it was in Italy or Ireland!

But this discussion isn’t about Blacks and Catholicism, is it?:o
 
Apryl said:
… and let me also note: I attend a parish with a large number of Black Catholics that are NOT converts. There are many Blacks that are Catholic that come from Catholic families. Every Black person that is Catholic today is NOT a convert.

I would hate to think that any one is under the impression that Catholicism is something new to Blacks in America

Not to mention: Catholicism (Christianity) was in Africa before it was in Italy or Ireland!

But this discussion isn’t about Blacks and Catholicism, is it?:o
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Amen! 👍
 
I live in the Archdiocese of Chicago and, like other posters, would like to see Cardinal George do something about Father Pfleger. A bigoted hatemonger like Rev. Wright should not be speaking at a Catholic church, and a Catholic priest should be not defending him or calling him and Farrakhan “great men” as Pfleger did. My family is appalled that nothing is done to rein this guy in. I don’t think he’s ever met a camera that he didn’t love.
 
KatieD said:
A bigoted hatemonger like Rev. Wright should not be speaking at a Catholic church
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How do we know the Wright is a ‘bigoted hatemonger’? Just because of some sound bites?

Since I don’t agree that Rev. Wright has expressed himself as a bigot, or a hatemonger, I have to defend him: while you may not agree with all that he said, he does have the RIGHT to speak freely. Not to mention that there is no one that can state anything he said was untrue:cool:

To make some indictment on Rev. Wright, who has done hundreds of sermons to thousands of people, and to get some statements (which combined totalled less than 10 minutes of this ‘bigoted hatemonger’) is unfair.

Also, I too was appalled that Rev. Wright was invited to speak at St. Sabina… until I learned that it was a program to benefit an author, and Rev. Wright was in the audience, and was allowed to ‘share some words’. He wasn’t on some program, and didn’t have a platform.:confused:

We should be as charitable as we as asking that others be, shouldn’t we???
 
Apryl said:
How do we know the Wright is a ‘bigoted hatemonger’? Just because of some sound bites?

Since I don’t agree that Rev. Wright has expressed himself as a bigot, or a hatemonger, I have to defend him: while you may not agree with all that he said, he does have the RIGHT to speak freely. Not to mention that there is no one that can state anything he said was untrue:cool:

To make some indictment on Rev. Wright, who has done hundreds of sermons to thousands of people, and to get some statements (which combined totalled less than 10 minutes of this ‘bigoted hatemonger’) is unfair.

Also, I too was appalled that Rev. Wright was invited to speak at St. Sabina… until I learned that it was a program to benefit an author, and Rev. Wright was in the audience, and was allowed to ‘share some words’. He wasn’t on some program, and didn’t have a platform.:confused:

We should be as charitable as we as asking that others be, shouldn’t we???
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Charity doesn’t require us to check sanity or morality at the door.

Hugh Hewitt posted full sermons recently. Look them up and listen to them. If anything, they’re worse than the soundbites.

The man is either filled with hatred (if he believes what he says) or a vicious demagogue (if he doesn’t). Either way, there is no Christ in him.

He deserves rebuke from the faithful, not support.
 
Teflon93 said:
The man is either filled with hatred (if he believes what he says) or a vicious demagogue (if he doesn’t). Either way, there is no Christ in him.

He deserves rebuke from the faithful, not support.
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Well, I don’t agree with your assessment.

Makes me wonder how your insides look. 🤷
 
Apryl said:
Well, I don’t agree with your assessment.

Makes me wonder how your insides look. 🤷
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Have you listened to his sermons?

If not, you might want to do so before you agree or disagree with my assessment.

Nothing resembles the sermon on the mount less than one of Wright’s.
 
aimee said:
Check this out

youtube.com/watch?v=hgDyUsYeh9E

I can’t believe a priest gets by with this…:mad:
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Thanks for posting Aimee—I’d seen this before. Pfleger is a disgrace. When Wright talks about “chickens coming home to roost”, he may inadvertently have been describing Pfleger’s call to “snuff out” a Chicago gun store owner.

Anyone see Christ in Pfleger? I surely don’t.

Pfleger’s bishop ought to consider well Pope Benedict XVI’s call for flock-tending. As I understand it, Pfleger has previously threatened that if he were reassigned, his congregation might convert. If their catechesis leads them to believe that Pfleger is behaving in a manner fit for Catholic clergy or laity, one wonders whether they converted in the first place.
 
Apryl said:
How do we know the Wright is a ‘bigoted hatemonger’? Just because of some sound bites?

Not to mention that there is no one that can state anything he said was untrue:cool:
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Are you SERIOUS? :eek: Do you think the U.S. government invented AIDS to kill black people??? And if you respond by saying that we can’t prove they didn’t, that isn’t an answer and would only prove the ridiculousness of your statement.

I listened to Wright’s speech at the Press Club the other day. He amplified what we heard in the “sound bites”. He needs to shut his mouth and go home to his new mansion and $10 million dollar credit line.
 
BSHoop96 said:
Are you SERIOUS? :eek: Do you think the U.S. government invented AIDS to kill black people??? And if you respond by saying that we can’t prove they didn’t, that isn’t an answer and would only prove the ridiculousness of your statement.

I listened to Wright’s speech at the Press Club the other day. He amplified what we heard in the “sound bites”. He needs to shut his mouth and go home to his new mansion and $10 million dollar credit line.
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Both of which were provided out of church funds, we might add.

But Christ was a multimillionaire too, right?
 
I have to say that never having listened to a full speech by Wright before, the last ten or fifteen minutes which I heard of his speech before the NAACP were not what I’d expected (I tuned in when he was comparing black music to white music). Other than an indirect jab that seemed directed at O’Reilly and some direct favorable remarks about a particular candidate, nothing seemed amiss.

Even the media seemed favorably inclined, and one of the reporters even commented that she could see why ‘some people’ (names can’t be mentioned here) found him inspiring. It was a complete surprise the next day to hear the media decrying the speech without seeming to point to anything specific they disagreed with other than a reference to black kids learning differently from whites.

I may be biased, being black, but regardless of the content I will not judge a person on a few sound bites. Even when some prominent white person used the “N” word, I look at the context and that person’s history to decide whether the use is offensive or not. In the Christian context, I don’t believe anything has caused more division and bitterness among Christians and between us and other religions than plucking single verses out of sacred texts or quoting single lines from some prominent person’s writings.

My impression is that some people are allowing their passions and the media to mold their thoughts and opinions rather than looking at the content of the man’s speeches. Reasoned, critical analysis has given way to hype and hysteria and the only ones who gain from it is those whose pay depend on ratings.

A previous poster declared that Wright doesn’t have Christ in him! On what basis do we judge another so harshly? There is nothing Wright has said that I know that is in any way unique to him (down to conspiracy theories about AIDS); all that’s different is his way of getting his views across. I might add that some of the criticism of his patriotism comes from people who openly declare their inclination to leave the country if the election results are not to their liking!

What I can see of him, which is just as true of many of his detractors is that there is a desperate need to divorce political ideology from religious beliefs. Not that Christians shouldn’t be active in politics, but they should beware of holding political beliefs with the same fervor as religious ones; the former are human, fallible and temporary - the latter all of the opposite.
 
Perhaps you could enlighten us with examples of Wright’s Christ-like nature.

I’ve listened to whole sermons. He is a demagogue and a virulent, hateful one at that.

And one laughing all the way to the bank to boot.

This goes well beyond soundbites, as anyone who cares to look into the matter further shall readily see.

Or perhaps you can point me toward the Gospel passages where Jesus bids us to hate and ridicule those whose skin color doesn’t match our own.

I seem to recall an injunction against bearing false witness against one’s neighbors as well—perhaps those who pooh-pooh the outrageous claims that the U.S. government manufactured the AIDS virus ought to reread The Ten Commandments.

And where does Wright get off thinking he speaks for “the black church”?

This man wouldn’t make altar boy in our parish.
 
As I stated above, I never heard Pastor Wright preach hate of anyone. My experience of him is listed above. If you have an example of him preaching hate, give it.

Conspiracy theories exist about anything from JFK’s and MLK’s assasination, to 911 and AIDS. There will always be people who find weird explanations for events that are difficult to accept. I don’t see that as preaching hate. Did he tell us to hate the government because they supposedly created AIDS? The man is speaking from his the experiences of the times that he grew up in. A person who could well have been part of the Tuskegee experiments but for the grace of God, would probably not have a hard time believing a new killer virus was invented by the authorities; his experience of authorities may have been overall negative. I may laugh at his beliefs, but see nothing in them that incites hate.

Maybe the quality most to be admired in a black person is the ability to love and make something good out of life despite all the negative life experiences. People today want to act like that stuff is in the past and all we need to do is get over it. Nothing is farther from the truth. But who needs truth, when we have the media to think for us…
 
seekerz said:
As I stated above, I never heard Pastor Wright preach hate of anyone. My experience of him is listed above. If you have an example of him preaching hate, give it.

Conspiracy theories exist about anything from JFK’s and MLK’s assasination, to 911 and AIDS. There will always be people who find weird explanations for events that are difficult to accept. I don’t see that as preaching hate. Did he tell us to hate the government because they supposedly created AIDS? The man is speaking from his the experiences of the times that he grew up in. A person who could well have been part of the Tuskegee experiments but for the grace of God, would probably not have a hard time believing a new killer virus was invented by the authorities; his experience of authorities may have been overall negative. I may laugh at his beliefs, but see nothing in them that incites hate.

Maybe the quality most to be admired in a black person is the ability to love and make something good out of life despite all the negative life experiences. People today want to act like that stuff is in the past and all we need to do is get over it. Nothing is farther from the truth. But who needs truth, when we have the media to think for us…
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A pastor who says “G—D— America” ?

His profession is supposed to be concerned with the salvation of souls.

Is there anything more hateful or blashphemous than calling on God to damn us all?

Is there anything more disgusting than someone who served 6 years in the Marine Corps comparing his brothers in arms to Al Qaeda?

Is there anything more loathsome than revelling in the deaths of 2,977 Americans, many of whom were black, with his “chickens coming home to roost” nonsense?

I’ve used examples everyone here is by now aware of.

There is nothing of Christ in this hateful spew.

The Vicar of Christ on Earth, by contrast, says, “God bless America.” He came to tend to his flock, and to call us to holiness. He met and prayed with those who had been betrayed in the most brutal fashion by our clergy in the past. THAT is what the Holy Spirit in action looks like.

Are you seriously excusing Wright’s statements? Are you claiming that he is a good example for Christians, a good shepherd for our brothers and sisters in Christ?

You strike me as too serious a Christian to make excuses for such people.

I likewise have no brief for Wright’s partner-in-hate Father Pfleger, who is so lost as to belief calling on a crowd to “snuff out” a Chicago gun shop owner is tending to one’s flock. Unfortunately, the Catholic Church has its share of demagoguery and hate. There is no excuse for either; the Body of Christ is supported through faith, hope, and charity, not blasphemy, bucks, and bigotry.
 
Teflon93 said:
A pastor who says “G—D— America” ?

His profession is supposed to be concerned with the salvation of souls.

Is there anything more hateful or blashphemous than calling on God to damn us all?

Is there anything more disgusting than someone who served 6 years in the Marine Corps comparing his brothers in arms to Al Qaeda?

Is there anything more loathsome than revelling in the deaths of 2,977 Americans, many of whom were black, with his “chickens coming home to roost” nonsense?

I’ve used examples everyone here is by now aware of.

There is nothing of Christ in this hateful spew.

The Vicar of Christ on Earth, by contrast, says, “God bless America.” He came to tend to his flock, and to call us to holiness. He met and prayed with those who had been betrayed in the most brutal fashion by our clergy in the past. THAT is what the Holy Spirit in action looks like.

Are you seriously excusing Wright’s statements? Are you claiming that he is a good example for Christians, a good shepherd for our brothers and sisters in Christ?

You strike me as too serious a Christian to make excuses for such people.

I likewise have no brief for Wright’s partner-in-hate Father Pfleger, who is so lost as to belief calling on a crowd to “snuff out” a Chicago gun shop owner is tending to one’s flock. Unfortunately, the Catholic Church has its share of demagoguery and hate. There is no excuse for either; the Body of Christ is supported through faith, hope, and charity, not blasphemy, bucks, and bigotry.
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In what context did he say the words you quote? Since my childhood I’ve heard protestant preachers jump up and down and declare hell and damnation on society/the world/the country/the present generation: take your pick, if they would not listen. I simply can’t say that those words themselves incite any kind of hate.

Have you actually heard Wright “revel” in the death of anyone? I’ve heard more than one preacher claim that 911 was a result of the nation’s sin and no one accused them of revelling in death but then they were not Wright, now were they? I don’t particularly care for Protestant theology, I just see double standards here.

The secular crowd generally takes a dim view of Christian “preacher speak” such as in the present move in many countries to declare preaching against homosexuality as “hate speech”. Maybe some of us wouldn’t feel quite so self-righteous if the MSM aimed it’s beam of political correctness on us.
 
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