Pastor Wright invited to speak at St Sabina Catholic Church in Chicago

[neat62]

Could you enlighten me with examples of your Christ-like nature?

Perhaps he should follow your example??

 

[Teflon93]

The bigger question is why is this behavior accepted by the heirarchy within the Church? I know of Pfleger…he’s made some very inflammatory comments…and somehow, he is able to “preach” politics from his pulpit without worry of losing his tax exempt status…so why can’t EVERY Catholic Priest/Bishop do the same??

Absolutely. His bishop needs to heed the Pope’s call and bring this priest back to the fold.

 

[neat62]

Absolutely. His bishop needs to heed the Pope’s call and bring this priest back to the fold.

Indeed…obedience certainly isn’t going to be given…if its not expected!

 

[Teflon93]

Here is a link supporting my earlier post on the KGB authorship of the “U.S. Government invented AIDS” smear:

americanthinker.com/blog/2008/05/jeremiah_wright_ands_the_aids.html

The book referenced is thorough and quite excellent.

This issue may be of some import to Catholics, because the same body of post-Berlin Wall fall research of the KGB archives established that the man who shot Pope John Paul II did so at the behest of the KGB through their Bulgarian operatives.

I look forward to Wright’s fiery condemnation of the Soviet Union and the KGB.

 

[OutinChgoburbs]

I live in the Archdiocese of Chicago and, like other posters, would like to see Cardinal George do something about Father Pfleger. A bigoted hatemonger like Rev. Wright should not be speaking at a Catholic church, and a Catholic priest should be not defending him or calling him and Farrakhan “great men” as Pfleger did. My family is appalled that nothing is done to rein this guy in. I don’t think he’s ever met a camera that he didn’t love.

Cardinal George is not going to do anything about Fr. Pfleger. Why?

1.) Anybody with an ounce of common sense- black, white, purple polka dotted- knows said parish and avoids it. Those who attend it may or may not be looking for the True Faith. It smacks of a baptist church knock-off. You won’t catch anybody praying the rosary or spending time at adoration at that parish mentioned, at least as far as I know. There’s no Kof C, no Catholic Daughters of America.
2.) It is a lot easier to keep an eye on that parish and Fr. Pfleger in the spotlight than out of it.
3.) Fr. Pfleger DOES get called down to the chancery on a regular basis. You’ll just have to trust me on this one.
4.) If you live in the Archdiocese of Chicago, do you really want Fr. Pfleger as the pastor of your next parish? I wouldn’t. I’m sure the cardinal does not want him living on staff, and does not want him in another parish. If there is a parish that is on the verge of closing, perhaps. If there is an organization that will take him and keep him busy, perhaps. But the cardinal is not going to pull him, and not going to move him, no matter how rock-headed he might be.

 

[Teflon93]

Thank you for the inside scoop on Chicago.

Doesn’t the bishop have some obligation to the members of Pfleger’s parish, however?

Why not discipline him, and if he disobeys, take the necessary steps to remove him?

This seems rather frighteningly like the thought process that led to the sexual abuse scandal being so devastating.

 

[neat62]

Thank you for the inside scoop on Chicago.

Doesn’t the bishop have some obligation to the members of Pfleger’s parish, however?

Why not discipline him, and if he disobeys, take the necessary steps to remove him?

This seems rather frighteningly like the thought process that led to the sexual abuse scandal being so devastating.

Just so everyone can get the idea of who Fr. Pfleger why many of us believe he shouold be removed:

sultanknish.blogspot.com/2008/03/father-michael-pfleger-obama-mentor.html

 

[lucybeebee]

Cardinal George is not going to do anything about Fr. Pfleger. Why?

1.) Anybody with an ounce of common sense- black, white, purple polka dotted- knows said parish and avoids it. Those who attend it may or may not be looking for the True Faith. It smacks of a baptist church knock-off. You won’t catch anybody praying the rosary or spending time at adoration at that parish mentioned, at least as far as I know. There’s no Kof C, no Catholic Daughters of America.
2.) It is a lot easier to keep an eye on that parish and Fr. Pfleger in the spotlight than out of it.
3.) Fr. Pfleger DOES get called down to the chancery on a regular basis. You’ll just have to trust me on this one.
4.) If you live in the Archdiocese of Chicago, do you really want Fr. Pfleger as the pastor of your next parish? I wouldn’t. I’m sure the cardinal does not want him living on staff, and does not want him in another parish. If there is a parish that is on the verge of closing, perhaps. If there is an organization that will take him and keep him busy, perhaps. But the cardinal is not going to pull him, and not going to move him, no matter how rock-headed he might be.

I’m looking at the old site and based on the Ministeries page, St. Sabina’s seems to be an odd mixture of Catholic and Protestant stuff. They don’t have K of C, but they do have the Knights and Ladies of Peter Clavier, which is the “black equivelent” of the former. But that’s the only really obviously Catholic thing there, aside from the Eucharistic Ministers and altar servers. There’s also liturgical dance (ick) and they use the NIV bible. No sign of anything like RCIA or discussion of sacraments. To have as many ministries as they do, would indicate that St. Sabina’s must have quite a few parishioners. Whether said individuals identify as being Catholic is unclear since Fr. Pfleger is referred to as “Pastor” not “Father.” Looking at the new site it seems to be marketing itself more in the vein of a black mega church than a Catholic parish. There seems to be promise with some of the works that are being done there; I WISH that some of the parishes where I live could do prison ministry, do more work with the homeless, and unemployed, etc. But as others have said, it needs to be within a firmly Catholic framework. There certainly needs to be more of an effort to develop a black Catholic identity that doesn’t end up looking like rip-off of Protestant churches.

 

[BSHoop96]

So… your problem is that he thinks that the government was involved in inventing AIDs? or that he thinks AIDs was to kill Black people?

Cute…as a matter of fact I have a problem with both…they are paranoid and delusional statements, not to mention incendiary but probably said purposely for his own agenda. You kept asking for an example of a lie so I gave you one…and this was your response. You still haven’t said that you DON"T believe it, btw.

C’mon, folx… is your problem with Wright his religion, or that he’s Black? or what??? I’m so confused by your comments, and your sentiment.

*Okay…so you finally got around to it. The implication that we feel this way because he’s black. Frankly, I find that insulting. No, it’s not because he’s black. Why does it always come back to that? FYI…I grew up in the military and was integrated long before the American South. I lived on a military base in Germany in the late 50’s and my best friend was black. I now live in a neighborhood with these families and I am NOT exaggerating: white, black, indian (east indian), hispanic, asian, one european family, and mixed families of black/white, hispanic/white and asian/white. My closest and dearest friend of many years has bi-racial grandchildren and I love them. So I would appreciate it if you would not infer that I have a problem with blacks, or for that matter with anyone because of the color of their skin.

I am Catholic. The great majority of my family are not Catholic. I have no problem with other religions either. I have a problem with people who preach hate and use past grievances (however real) to drive their own agenda. The people, and especially the children, in his congregation listening to him for the past 20 years have not been served well by this. I’m sure he has done some good things in his ministry but he negates that by his speech.

*Not only that, I’m saddened by your comments.



I’m saddened at your naivete. It’s dangerous. Especially if you don’t know which are the lies.

There are so many problems in the world… and rather than be willing to try to be compassionate, hear someone out, accept the fact that while they may be more emotional than we’d like, they have some credance… we’re trying to insult their spirit.

Should we have listened to Hitler talk about his solution of the Jews so as not to “insult his spirit”? I know that’s a leap but I am so tired of the argument that we should always hear someone out. No…sometimes we shouldn’t. If they want us to respect and listen to them then they shouldn’t start out insulting the rest of us. He needs a little more “Martin Luther King” and a lot less “Al Sharpton”.

I don’t agree with all that was said, or how it was said, and I don’t agree with actions from some of the players involved, but I am not going to get down deeper in the muck than the ones I’m talking about.

Get real. There comes a time to take a stand. Pick a side. I’m not on Rev. Wright’s side and I’ll say so. I don’t think that necessarily makes me down in the muck.

 

[Walt_Oliver]

This is a gentle reminder that the topic of the thread is Rev. Wright being invited to speak at St. Sabina, not each other.

 

[Apryl]

I do. You seem to think his sermons are somehow vastly different from the excerpts; based on what’s available online the soundbites are consistent with the sermon. .

For clarification: no, I don’t. I do think that taking what they did from his sermons, and looping them, has given the excerpts a different bent than I believe he was going for.

I said there is no Christ in him; I said nothing about truthful or factual, although I will take the opportunity to note Wright is either deluded or dishonest regarding the U.S. government invented AIDS nonsense, the “black children learn differently” nonsense, etc.

Ah yes… the BEAUTY of being in America: Not only do you have the right to think as you do, but to say that you think as you do. And I would defend with my life your right to continue to do so:thumbsup:

Let’s start with the U.S. government inventing AIDS. Put aside that he offers no evidence for his claim. Read Harvey Klehr’s work on the Venona decrypts or any of the recent books on the KGB (Christopher Andrew’s written several; there are also solid autobiographies of high-ranking KGB defectors like Oleg Gordievsky) and you’ll discover that this meme was actually Soviet propaganda from the 80s. It is completely fabricated, as the fabricators admit. So why does Wright continue to circulate it?.

My best answer would be because he has the same rights and priviledges as do you

 

[Apryl]

Converted to Catholicism from whatever denomination they belonged to before. Pfleger doesn’t seem to have much in common with the Church. Perhaps he should read a little more Catechism and a lot less Farrakhan.

You assume that they are all converts? Why do you make this assumption?

 

[Apryl]

This is a gentle reminder that the topic of the thread is Rev. Wright being invited to speak at St. Sabina, not each other.

Thank you, and I apologize for any involvement that I had that could be seen as personal.

I came into this thread because of the topic, and some how, that got lost.

 

[Roger_Wissinger]

Check this out

youtube.com/watch?v=hgDyUsYeh9E

I can’t believe a priest gets by with this…

I take it that we’ll not see this priest on EWTN. It seems he has a screw noose on this video. I’m sure he’ll say his words were taken out of context.

 

[Teflon93]

For clarification: no, I don’t. I do think that taking what they did from his sermons, and looping them, has given the excerpts a different bent than I believe he was going for.

Well, let us know what your telephathy re: Wright yields.

Ah yes… the BEAUTY of being in America: Not only do you have the right to think as you do, but to say that you think as you do. And I would defend with my life your right to continue to do so:thumbsup:

I served 9 years in the U.S. military—spare me the lecture on freedom of speech. The thread is about the appropriateness of Wright, a hate-monger, speaking in a Catholic sanctuary. There is no Constitutional right to speak at St Sabina.

My best answer would be because he has the same rights and priviledges as do you

Really? So my invitation to speak at St Sabina must have gotten lost in the mail, then?

I demand it—I am entitled!

 

[Teflon93]

You assume that they are all converts? Why do you make this assumption?

Because when the bishop went to move Pfleger he threatened that the parish would convert back to Protestantism. Search on Pfleger in the forum and follow the threads.

According to the poster above who lives in Chicago, the parish is avoided by Chicago Catholics of, ahem, a traditional bent. One presumes that third-generation Irish Catholics are not the bulk of St Sabina’s attendees.

 

[Teflon93]

And let it not go unnoted that Apryl requested evidence for Wright uttering a falsehood, was provided that evidence, and promptly changed the subject to the red herring of free speech.

 

[BSHoop96]

And let it not go unnoted that Apryl requested evidence for Wright uttering a falsehood, was provided that evidence, and promptly changed the subject to the red herring of free speech.

good point

Free speech is a blessing that we have in this country. Many Americans have fought and died for it. But with it, I think, comes some responsibility that we do not lightly spew out hatred, obscenities, falsehoods or misleading statements that harm others and feed the fires of disharmony. I believe we have a moral obligation to use it for good. Just because you *can *say it doesn’t mean you should say it. Far better that he had preached forgiveness and reconciliation.

 

[Teflon93]

good point

Free speech is a blessing that we have in this country. Many Americans have fought and died for it. But with it, I think, comes some responsibility that we do not lightly spew out hatred, obscenities, falsehoods or misleading statements that harm others and feed the fires of disharmony. I believe we have a moral obligation to use it for good. Just because you *can *say it doesn’t mean you should say it. Far better that he had preached forgiveness and reconciliation.

An excellent point—our heroes didn’t lay down their lives for men like Wright to damn them as Al Qaeda under a different flag.

A pastor is supposed to be a man of God, called to a higher standard. There is a marked unwillingness in some quarters to hold Wright to the apostolic standard. Wonder why?

 

[BSHoop96]

An excellent point—our heroes didn’t lay down their lives for men like Wright to damn them as Al Qaeda under a different flag.

A pastor is supposed to be a man of God, called to a higher standard. There is a marked unwillingness in some quarters to hold Wright to the apostolic standard. Wonder why?

I wonder if it has something to do with the political correctness that has taken over our country. And more possibly with the moral relativism that the Pope speaks to.

Here’s one of several interesting quotes I have written by Hendrick Van Loon (real name, no kidding) in 1942. I find it interesting. I think I am allowed to quote as long as it’s not too long?

…we easily fell prey to the most dangerous weakness that lies inherent in a democratic form of government and once more wasted valuable time…debating, discussing, slinging mud, calling names and in the name of “free speech” allowing a large number of citizens, not remarkable for their ability to think either logically or constructively, or even patriotically, to prevent those preparations that were absolutely necessary if our nation wished to hold its own when Armageddon should overtake it."

One could say that our country faces more than one type of Armageddon…moral decay…islamic terrorism…unfortunately, probably many to pick from. Food for thought anyway.