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oldcelt
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So, you’ve reduced God to a micro-manager.
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Azygos
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The Bible is the most historically accurate account of our origins. Are you going to believe God or are you going to believe Man? If your argument is that the Bible was written by Men then you are essentially saying that the Bible doesn’t have the Authority of God. If it was only written by Men then why should you believe any of it in the first place? What Authority does man have without God? Why believe Jesus is God? Why believe he rose from the third day? Why believe any of it?
As it stands though, All scripture is inspired by God. Including the Book of genesis and when you argue against me about it your actually arguing with the Word of God. So as I say again either God is a liar or the Bible is wrong, which is it?
As it stands though, All scripture is inspired by God. Including the Book of genesis and when you argue against me about it your actually arguing with the Word of God. So as I say again either God is a liar or the Bible is wrong, which is it?
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ishii
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Okay I follow you now.One with a literal approach would also believe that the sky is a firmament that keeps out a bunch of water, and that the rest of the universe is water.
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Is the world flat? Yes or No.Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega. Jesus invented all things including science. Why is that hard to understand?
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ishii
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But is the world flat? Please answer.The Bible is the most historically accurate account of our origins. Are you going to believe God or are you going to believe Man? If your argument is that the Bible was written by Men then you are essentially saying that the Bible doesn’t have the Authority of God. If it was only written by Men then why should you believe any of it in the first place? What Authority does man have without God? Why believe Jesus is God? Why believe he rose from the third day? Why believe any of it?
As it stands though, All scripture is inspired by God. Including the Book of genesis and when you argue against me about it your actually arguing with the Word of God. So as I say again either God is a liar or the Bible is wrong, which is it?
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Azygos
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Romans 11So, you’ve reduced God to a micro-manager.
36 For from him and through him and for him are all things. To him be glory forever. Amen.
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waanju
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What?The Bible is the most historically accurate account of our origins. Are you going to believe God or are you going to believe Man? If your argument is that the Bible was written by Men then you are essentially saying that the Bible doesn’t have the Authority of God. If it was only written by Men then why should you believe any of it in the first place? What Authority does man have without God? Why believe Jesus is God? Why believe he rose from the third day? Why believe any of it?
As it stands though, All scripture is inspired by God. Including the Book of genesis and when you argue against me about it your actually arguing with the Word of God. So as I say again either God is a liar or the Bible is wrong, which is it?
I never said that.
I just asked if you think that the universe outside of the atmosphere is literally water, or if they said “water” to mean lack of air? Just to clarify the extent that Genesis is literal, in case I come to the understanding that you are right. It would be a shame to half correct myself.
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Azygos
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The 4 corners of the earth does not mean the earth is flat it is referring to a perspective of the earth. Why is that hard for you to comprehend? Are you lacking wisdom?But is the world flat? Please answer.
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James 1
5 But if any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God who gives to all generously and ungrudgingly, and he will be given it.
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waanju
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Thank you for the explanation!The 4 corners of the earth does not mean the earth is flat it is referring to a perspective of the earth. Why is that hard for you to comprehend? Are you lacking wisdom?
James 1
5 But if any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God who gives to all generously and ungrudgingly, and he will be given it.
Any way to clear my confusion about the water?
Thanks in advance!
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Azygos
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Why don’t you ask them to explain how this… See if they can give you a rational answer. When I mean rational I mean not Arbitrary, not made up to explain it away.Most Creationist claims are addressed here.
apologeticspress.org/DiscoveryPubPage.aspx
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oldcelt
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The bible was assembled from many different books …by men…under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.The Bible is the most historically accurate account of our origins. Are you going to believe God or are you going to believe Man? If your argument is that the Bible was written by Men then you are essentially saying that the Bible doesn’t have the Authority of God. If it was only written by Men then why should you believe any of it in the first place? What Authority does man have without God? Why believe Jesus is God? Why believe he rose from the third day? Why believe any of it?
As it stands though, All scripture is inspired by God. Including the Book of genesis and when you argue against me about it your actually arguing with the Word of God. So as I say again either God is a liar or the Bible is wrong, which is it?
When I argue against YOUR interpretation of the bible, I am arguing with a human…so…your final question is irrelevant.
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Azygos
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Well then you can’t believe anything from the Bible because after all it’s Men who interpret it. So your logic is inconsistent and my question still stands.The bible was assembled from many different books …by men…under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
When I argue against YOUR interpretation of the bible, I am arguing with a human…so…your final question is irrelevant.
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Azygos
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What confusion? Cite the verse for me.Thank you for the explanation!
Any way to clear my confusion about the water?
Thanks in advance!
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Azygos
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The Bible is the most historically accurate account of our origins. Are you going to believe God or are you going to believe Man? If your argument is that the Bible was written by Men then you are essentially saying that the Bible doesn’t have the Authority of God. If it was only written by Men then why should you believe any of it in the first place? What Authority does man have without God? Why believe Jesus is God? Why believe he rose from on the third day? Why believe any of it?
As it stands though, All scripture is inspired by God. Including the Book of genesis and your actually arguing with the Word of God. So as I say again either God is a liar or the Bible is wrong, which is it?
As it stands though, All scripture is inspired by God. Including the Book of genesis and your actually arguing with the Word of God. So as I say again either God is a liar or the Bible is wrong, which is it?
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waanju
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I quoted it earlier, and have something for school on my clipboard right now. IF you don’t want to scroll up, I can copy and paste again in just a minute.What confusion? Cite the verse for me.
I just want to know because- how would spaceships get to the moon then?
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oldcelt
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No…your logic…and I use that term loosely, is what is flawed. Because I reject your fundamentalist/literalist view of the bible does not in any way indicate that I reject the bible in whole or part.Well then you can’t believe anything from the Bible because after all it’s Men who interpret it. So your logic is inconsistent and my question still stands.
I believe, as do millions of people of faith that the bible has many facets. Some are an attempt to relay events in a factual manner…others are parable, allegory, etc.
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waanju
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Alright Here:
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Assuming “water thing too” - I don’t follow. Please advise.
Ishii
One with a literal approach would also believe that the sky is a firmament that keeps out a bunch of water, and that the rest of the universe is water.
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Originally Posted by ishii
Assuming “water thing too” - I don’t follow. Please advise.
Ishii
One with a literal approach would also believe that the sky is a firmament that keeps out a bunch of water, and that the rest of the universe is water.
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Different translation:6 And God said: Let there be a firmament made amidst the waters: and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made a firmament, and divided the waters that were under the firmament, from those that were above the firmament, and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament, Heaven; and the evening and morning were the second day.
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6 Then God said, “Let there be a space[c] to separate the water into two parts!” 7 So God made the space and separated the water. Some of the water was above it, and some of the water was below it. 8 God named that space “sky.” There was evening, and then there was morning. This was the second day.
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waanju
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While you think on that, I just found something that might prove interesting:
As it stands (since I don’t know what it says), I’m still open to a literal view. Must I believe that the water thing is literal?
Interestingly enough, Humani Generis is the encyclical that deals with evolution. I think I’m going to give it a thorough read through.
- Can Catholics, in good conscience, withhold religious assent to the Pope’s ordinary universal teachings?
No, they cannot. Pope Pius XII declared in his encyclical Humani Generis (1950):6 “It is not to be thought that what is set down in Encyclical Letters does not demand assent in itself, because in this the Popes do not exercise the supreme power of their magisterium. For, these matters are taught by the ordinary magisterium, regarding which the following is pertinent: ‘He who heareth you, heareth Me’ (Luke 10:16); and usually what is set forth and inculcated in the Encyclical Letters already pertains to Catholic doctrine. But if the Supreme Pontiffs in their acts, after due consideration, express an opinion on a hitherto controversial matter, it is clear to all that this matter, according to the mind and the will of the same Pontiffs, cannot any longer be considered a question of free discussion among the theologians.”
As it stands (since I don’t know what it says), I’m still open to a literal view. Must I believe that the water thing is literal?
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oldcelt
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Out of curiosity Azygos, which Diocese are you in in Kansas?
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Azygos
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If God says there was water up their then that it how it was. Notice I used the word “Was” and this is perfectly explainable considering the atmosphere was different and nothing Aged. Have you ever asked why was their no death before they sinned? Who knows maybe it has something to do with there atmosphere… It’s a better logical explanation then simply saying God is wrong or man-made… I’m a spiritual person and I’m going to believe God because he cannot lie and he wouldn’t mislead us.Alright Here:
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Assuming “water thing too” - I don’t follow. Please advise.
Ishii
One with a literal approach would also believe that the sky is a firmament that keeps out a bunch of water, and that the rest of the universe is water.
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