Pat Robertson challenges creationism, cities dinosaurs

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Azygos said:
If God says there was water up their then that it how it was. Notice I used the word “Was” and this is perfectly explainable considering the atmosphere was different and nothing Aged. Have you ever asked why was their no death before they sinned? Who knows maybe it has something to do with there atmosphere… It’s a better logical explanation then simply saying God is wrong or man-made… I’m a spiritual person and I’m going to believe God because he cannot lie and he wouldn’t mislead us.
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Okay. That solves my issue with space travel.
Thanks!

I’m going to see if I can find the text of that encyclical. Do you plan on reading it too? If so, I can send you a link when I find one.
 
Hmm, so the encyclical, which we must in good conscience submit to, seems to say that it isn’t proved either way and that both are consistent with belief. It warns against steadfastly clinging to either position. Seems reasonable to me, and since the Pope said that something in an encyclical is something that is no longer open to debate, based on Luke 10:16, I’m going to assent. We don’t know one way or the other, and should look to see what scientific evidence says (which is divided at this point), because theological evidence is okay with either.

Settles it for me, as I’m not studying the origin of man.
…the Teaching Authority of the Church does not forbid that, in conformity with the present state of human sciences and sacred theology, research and discussions, on the part of men experienced in both fields, take place with regard to the doctrine of evolution, in as far as it inquires into the origin of the human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter—for the Catholic faith obliges us to hold that souls are immediately created by God. However this must be done in such a way that the reasons for both opinions, that is, those favorable and those unfavorable to evolution, be weighed and judged with the necessary seriousness, moderation and measure, and provided that all are prepared to submit to the judgment of the Church, to whom Christ has given the mission of interpreting authentically the Sacred Scriptures and of defending the dogmas of faithful. Some however rashly transgress this liberty of discussion, when they act as if the origin of the human body from pre-existing and living matter were already completely certain and proved by the facts which have been discovered up to now and by reasoning on those facts, and as if there were nothing in the sources of divine revelation which demands the greatest moderation and caution in this question
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I’m still planning to read the rest, but I did a ctrl f search for “evolution” and this was the result.
 
Genesis 2
7 the LORD God formed man out of the clay of the ground and blew into his nostrils the breath of life, and so man became a living being.

Genesis 1
27 God created man in his image; in the divine image he created him; male and female he created them.

Makes perfect sense to me. I don’t know how that can be misinterpreted that or how that can be believe that to be evolution. Must just be my interpretation… If it is not that then you only have two choices. Either God is a liar or the Bible is wrong.
 
Azygos said:
Genesis 2
7 the LORD God formed man out of the clay of the ground and blew into his nostrils the breath of life, and so man became a living being.

Genesis 1
27 God created man in his image; in the divine image he created him; male and female he created them.

Makes perfect sense to me. I don’t know how that can be misinterpreted that or how that can be believe that to be evolution. Must just be my interpretation… If it is not that then you only have two choices. Either God is a liar or the Bible is wrong.
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The papal encyclical, which we MUST submit to, seems to indicate otherwise in the quote I provided.

Until we have definitive evidence, it is okay to think either theory is correct, as long as you understand that the first people were Adam and Eve, that we all descended from them, that the fall happened, and that God instantly created souls. The pope has said that we cannot in good conscience debate this (we can only debate scientifically, both are theologically sound), so I will no longer do so and will only repeat what the pope has said. I’m sorry if you still want to debate with me, but I listen to the pope, who has a LOT better theology than I do.
 
Quote from that article…

Schweitzer’s work is “showing us we really don’t understand decay,” Holtz

No kidding they don’t understand decay… They actually believe that blood can remain for 60,000 million years.
 
waanju said:
The papal encyclical, which we MUST submit to, seems to indicate otherwise in the quote I provided.

Until we have definitive evidence, it is okay to think either theory is correct, as long as you understand that the first people were Adam and Eve, that we all descended from them, that the fall happened, and that God instantly created souls. The pope has said that we cannot in good conscience debate this (we can only debate scientifically, both are theologically sound), so I will no longer do so and will only repeat what the pope has said. I’m sorry if you still want to debate with me, but I listen to the pope, who has a LOT better theology than I do.
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You do that but your still believing a lie. Now who is looking for a rescuing device because they can’t argue their where out of this one.
 
Azygos said:
Quote from that article…

Schweitzer’s work is “showing us we really don’t understand decay,” Holtz

No kidding they don’t understand decay… They actually believe that blood can remain for 60,000 million years.
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Glad to see you’re submitting to the pope and no longer arguing that evolution is theologically wrong, just questioning the science. 🙂
 
waanju said:
Glad to see you’re submitting to the pope and no longer arguing that evolution is theologically wrong, just questioning the science. 🙂
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Yea it only creates doubt and that is never theologically bad (Sarcasm)
 
Azygos said:
Yea it only creates doubt and that is never theologically bad (Sarcasm)
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Oh, you really should read Humani Generis! I’m reading it on another tab now, and it explains why evolution WOULDN’T cause doubt. It’s very informative. I’m so grateful that God gave us popes to guide us.
Seriously, though, we have a duty to submit to papal encyclicals in good conscience. To do otherwise is at least bordering on sin. You should at least give it a read.
 
waanju said:
Oh, you really should read Humani Generis! I’m reading it on another tab now, and it explains why evolution WOULDN’T cause doubt. It’s very informative. I’m so grateful that God gave us popes to guide us.
Seriously, though, we have a duty to submit to papal encyclicals in good conscience. To do otherwise is at least bordering on sin. You should at least give it a read.
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It does cause doubt and I proved that already. Submitting to what I might ask. His theological opinion of evolution?
 
Azygos said:
It does cause doubt and I proved that already. Submitting to what I might ask. His theological opinion of evolution?
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Yes. Just like submitting to Humane Vitae, and the pope’s theological opinion on contraception.

He doesn’t even say that evolution is right. He just says that to believe either theory is not a sin.
 
I don’t agree with this.

Quote, “It is equally impermissible to dismiss the story of Adam and Eve and the fall (Gen. 2–3) as a fiction”
catholic.com/tracts/adam-eve-and-evolution

Why do we have to believe in Adam and Eve and the Fall if the first chapter in Genesis is supposed to be false? Wouldn’t that also make the 2nd and 3rd chapter in Genesis false?
 
waanju said:
Yes. Just like submitting to Humane Vitae, and the pope’s theological opinion on contraception.

He doesn’t even say that evolution is right. He just says that to believe either theory is not a sin.
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That’s fine I’m not talking about sin. I’m talking about how bad the theology is for Christians to believe in evolution and how contrary it is to reality.
 
Azygos said:
I don’t agree with this.

Quote, “It is equally impermissible to dismiss the story of Adam and Eve and the fall (Gen. 2–3) as a fiction”
catholic.com/tracts/adam-eve-and-evolution

Why do we have to believe in Adam and Eve and the Fall if the first chapter in Genesis is supposed to be false? Wouldn’t that also make the 2nd and 3rd chapter in Genesis false?
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Well, the same way we trust the Church when it teaches whether OTHER parts of the Bible are literal or metaphorical.
 
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