Pat Robertson challenges creationism, cities dinosaurs

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Azygos said:
You doubt the power of God. Again why is it so hard to believe that God couldn’t relay his exact message in a Book written by men, if he can create the Heavens. Is he not the Alpha and the Omega. He placed every single word in the bible exactly where he wanted it to go.
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I think it’s been suggested that God, in His perfection, tailors messages to best convey truth to His people, just as a human father might portray certain truths differently to a 5 year old child than to a teenager or adult child. The message doesn’t change, but the manner of sharing it might. When God’s children were a bunch of nomads, He may have spoken to them in sorts of parables, so that they might better understand the underlying truth, namely, that He had created everything and that He had created humans in His image. The MANNER of creation was not what was important, just that it was created. That is why the fact the the sky isn’t a clear dome holding back water doesn’t undermine the Bible’s authority.
This isn’t to say that one might not believe in a literal account, but to explain why not doing so is not wrong.

The Pope agrees that believing in evolution, with God’s guidance (especially for humans) and the direct, special creation of the soul, is not wrong. Anyone who says that it is wrong (you are free to think it is incorrect, but it is not wrong) is disagreeing with the Pope.
 
Which version of the Bible doesn’t describe a literal 6 day creation? A creation of man from dirt?
 
Azygos said:
Look at what these materialist are doing to you. Your already doubting the Authority of the Bible.
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Actually the Church preceded the Bible, which wasn’t completed until the end of the first century if not later.
 
ProVobis said:
Actually the Church preceded the Bible, which wasn’t completed until the end of the first century if not later.
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So God didn’t have a hand in the Authority of the Bible because the Church preceded the Bible?
 
Azygos said:
The man is a traitor to his Faith. Science proves that evolution is a fallacy and that the earth is young. He has been listening to materialist scientist and should start listening to the creation scientist. I can go up against materialist science and win with a young earth argument because indeed the earth is very young. Before anyone gets all self-righteous on me for believing in a literal genesis and young earth know this. If the first book in the Bible is proven false in it’s account of creation then why should anyone believe in the rest of the Bible. See as we know it God is the Truth and he cannot lie. So if you can disprove the first page then all is lost because it disproves God and the bibles credibility. Thank God science proves young earth! 👍 Here is a good website for you,
kolbecenter.org/the-traditional-catholic-doctrine-of-creation/
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Thank God science proves the earth is flat too. It is amazing.

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Azygos said:
Which version of the Bible doesn’t describe a literal 6 day creation?
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Well, first of all, we can’t have the start of a day before the earth starts revolving on its axis. In time it’s all done according to Genesis, though. Everything has a foundation. We had to have had a first man and first woman; that’s not in dispute.
 
ProVobis said:
Well, first of all, we can’t have the start of a day before the earth starts revolving on its axis. In time it’s all done according to Genesis, though. We had to have had a first man and first woman; that’s not in dispute.
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Day also means 24 hours… Why does the earth even have to rotate for God to know what a Day is? I have some others questions for you, please don’t get offended. Notice he isn’t speaking figuratively and it has always been taught as literal. So then is God a liar? Was the Church wrong in Doctrine?
 
Azygos said:
So God didn’t have a hand in the Authority of the Bible because the Church preceded the Bible?
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He did but the Bible doesn’t have everything. For example, no where is there direct mention of the Trinity or even the Pope inter alia.
 
Azygos said:
In fact I do disagree with the Pope. You should read this Catholic Doctrine.

Here, kolbecenter.org/the-traditional-catholic-doctrine-of-creation/
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Well, if you won’t even listen to the Pope, nobody here can hope you’ll listen to them… so this will be a very one sided “discussion”. That’s all I’m going to add for a while, I think.
Again, I’m not saying anyone can’t believe in a six day creation. I’m just saying six days, six years, six centuries… it’s the same. And whether God sculpted Adam or built him out of complex, subtle maneuverings using the DNA and laws of genetics He had already created is the same. Point is, we were created. We were given souls directly by God, and we were made in His image. Adam and Eve were the first humans (whether the first human-ish things ever or the first step in the evolutionary ladder to be given a soul). They sinned, causing the fall. From then on out, the story is pretty clear.

As for not believing the entire Bible if the beginning of Genisis were figurative, that’s ludicrous. There already ARE figurative stories in the Bible. Tobit, for example, is fiction, a novel. The parables were parables. Yet, the Bible retains its authority.
 
ProVobis said:
He did but the Bible doesn’t have everything. For example, no where is there direct mention of the Trinity or even the Pope inter alia.
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Actually is has the Creation, it’s all there. From the Heavens and the Earth, to the fish and SEA MOnsters, to the plants and animals, to man. Dinosaurs fall in with the wild animals, it’s only logical as he created it all together in 6 Days.
 
Evolution cannot go with the Creation of man and if one is to believe in that he is taking in a very bad philosophy. The age not so much but and old earth is still a lie.
 
If evolution were true then at what point were we given souls? If evolution were true then why would the God of Order use random, chance, processes?
 
Azygos said:
If evolution were true then at what point were we given souls? If evolution were true then why would the God of Order use random, chance, processes?
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It wasn’t random or a chance! That’s the point. The God of order, God who created morals, truth, the laws of physics, the God who may have, as it were, created the laws of evolution to create things in an orderly, purposeful manner, created everything. If evolution, the complex, highly ordered, intrinsically complicated and wonderous process it is, were the method that God used to do so, then it would mean that He guided the entire process, especially the development of man. As for at what point we were given souls, Adam and Eve, of course! The culmination of human evolution! Ever wonder why humans are not still evolving as other living things are (drug resistant bacteria, breeds of dogs, plants, ect)? Because God guided us directly to this point, gave us souls, and allowed us to remain as we are, human. Arguing over evolution or instant creation is like arguing over what brand of chisel an artist used. It might be interesting, but it’s hardly the most important thing.

(I know I said I wouldn’t comment, but still."

Also, an hour is defined based on the earth’s rotation.
 
No it’s not. It’s about arguing over the Truth of God and a lie made by the Devil. As the law of non-contradictions states they cannot both be True and we know God doesn’t spread lies because he would have to deny himself. He is the Truth.
 
waanju said:
It wasn’t random or a chance! That’s the point. If evolution, were the method that God used, then it would mean that He guided the entire process, especially the development of man. As for at what point we were given souls, Adam and Eve, of course! The culmination of human evolution! Ever wonder why humans are not still evolving as other living things are (drug resistant bacteria, breeds of dogs, plants, ect)? Because God guided us directly to this point, gave us souls, and allowed us to remain as we are, human. Arguing over evolution or instant creation is like arguing over what brand of chisel an artist used. It might be interesting, but it’s hardly the most important thing.

(I know I said I wouldn’t comment, but still."

Also, an hour is defined based on the earth’s rotation.
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So your telling me that Life grew and died grew and died over and over and over and over again until we finally spawned from monkeys slowly to man and he then gave us souls?
 
It also contradicts scripture and if it contradicts scripture then either scripture is wrong or your theory is wrong.

Mark 10
6 But from the beginning of creation, 'God made them male and female.
 
Azygos said:
The man is a traitor to his Faith. Science proves that evolution is a fallacy and that the earth is young. He has been listening to materialist scientist and should start listening to the creation scientist. I can go up against materialist science and win with a young earth argument because indeed the earth is very young. Before anyone gets all self-righteous on me for believing in a literal genesis and young earth know this. If the first book in the Bible is proven false in it’s account of creation then why should anyone believe in the rest of the Bible. See as we know it God is the Truth and he cannot lie. So if you can disprove the first page then all is lost because it disproves God and the bibles credibility. Thank God science proves young earth! 👍 Here is a good website for you,
kolbecenter.org/the-traditional-catholic-doctrine-of-creation/
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Disproving your interpretation is not the same as disproving the Scripture.
You tag yourself as Catholic. Please note that the Catholic Church does not teach Young Earth Creationism.
I’ve witnessed some debates between YEC believers and others. Generally YEC loses.

Historically the YE theory seems to be the product, not of biblical scholarship over the ages, but of one Bishop Usher, who used data such as the listed ages of pre-Deluge patriarchs, to attempt to calculate the date of creation.
My point is that the Scripture does not assert YEC. Bishop Usher and his disciples do that.
 
Azygos said:
So your telling me that Life grew and died grew and died over and over and over and over again until we finally spawned from monkeys slowly to man and he then gave us souls?
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I don’t think you understand evolution.
Do you know how, on a smaller scale, microevolution takes place in certain animals, like cows? This happens when we breed them with an end goal in mind. Why could God not have done this on a larger scale, to create humans?
Also, we are not descended from monkeys. Evolutionists believe that monkeys and humans share a common (not monkey or human) ancestor. And monkeys never got souls.
 
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