Paul leads GOP NH field 2016, Hillary leads Dems

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I think if Chris Christie was the nominee, the same thing would happen that happened with Mitt Romney, millions of Republicans not voting. Why nominate another moderate when so many have lost the race to become president?
I think Christie’s win margins and continuing poll numbers are a lot larger than Romney’s were in Massachusetts. You’re right, a lot of Republicans won’t vote for him because he was shown together with Obama. But that only made him much more popular with the moderate Democrats. Perhaps Romney might have picked up a lot of moderate Democratic votes had he bragged about Romneycare but he choose not to and his straddle position cost him IMO.
 
If a candidate does not appeal to the base of the Republican party, to the grassroots, it is doubtful the nominee would win.

I bet Chris Christie would be a candidate that would also put issues such as abortion and the redefinition of marriage in the background, compared to a more conservative candidate. Brookings Institution and Public Research Institute did a survey in which they found social conservatives outnumber fiscal conservatives, so putting social conservative issues to the side is not a good thing

pressreleases.religionnews.com/2013/07/18/new-survey-1-in-5-americans-are-religious-progressives
Yes and no. What we need is a truly pro-life conservative who focusses on fiscal matters. IOW…he needs to be able to deflect the pro-life concerns of those in the middle without being pro-choice. It can be done.
 
I think Christie’s win margin and continuing poll numbers are a lot larger than Romney’s were in Massachusetts. You’re right, a lot of Republicans won’t vote for him because he was shown together with Obama. But that only made him much more popular with the moderate Democrats.
Chris Christie is doing well poll wise in a North East state as a Republican governor. If he were the Republican presidential candidate he would have to appeal to Republicans and others beyond the North East. I do not think Chris Christie appearing with Barack Obama is the only issue that would stop Republicans voting for him, I think it would have to do with some of his policies as governor that conservatives disagree with.

I think very few moderate Democrats would vote for Chris Christie over the Democrat nominee.
 
Who would you propose in the GOP Primary other than those already listed?
Someone rational, moderate and intelligent, Like Jon Huntsman.

I may be liberal, but I would consider voting for a Republican like him.
 
I think very few moderate Democrats would vote for Chris Christie over the Democrat nominee.
You never know. All he’d need is 4-5 swing states. And if he sticks to his diet, he might win all of them. 🙂
 
Rubio? There is no way he will get past the tea party after his proposals on immigration reform.

Not that it matters. HRC will be president. 👍
One more reason I’m thankful I gave up politics on November 3, 2012, the day before the last presidential election. I do not prefer HRC as president but, on the other hand, I simply don’t care if she wins or loses. I no longer vote and rather enjoy being a flamingo with his head buried in the sand.
 
Someone rational, moderate and intelligent, Like Jon Huntsman.

I may be liberal, but I would consider voting for a Republican like him.
Huntsman strikes me as a good man. Back when I was a voting Republican, I would have supported him.
 
Chris Christie is doing well poll wise in a North East state as a Republican governor. If he were the Republican presidential candidate he would have to appeal to Republicans and others beyond the North East. I do not think Chris Christie appearing with Barack Obama is the only issue that would stop Republicans voting for him, I think it would have to do with some of his policies as governor that conservatives disagree with.

I think very few moderate Democrats would vote for Chris Christie over the Democrat nominee.
Hard to know. I’m not a Repub or a Dem (anymore) either. I have lib leanings when it comes to the truly poor; the ones who cannot help themselves, but socially conservative and fiscally conservative to the point at least of despising horrible wastes like the “stimulus package” and Obamacare.

But as I said before, I’m tired of seeing the hard left win. I’m tired of seeing paganism win. Having traditional beliefs and conservative principles has been like being the last heartfelt Confederate sympathizer; all romance and all defeat. And the romance is not sufficient to sweeten the defeat. I’m sick of the “but ifs” and the righteousness of “sitting it out because X isn’t pure enough for me”.

Obama didn’t defeat Romney. The purists on the right did. I even saw some of them on here before the last election wanting Obama to win so America could “learn its lesson”. So, here we are now with Obamacare and the HHS Mandate and two leftists on the Supreme Court, and Russia, Iran and Al Quaeda making foreign policy for this country, and what has anybody learned? Rand Paul and Marco Rubio will never win the presidency, and Rubio isn’t all “pure” either, from a conservative standpoint, as we’ll soon learn.

I’m not in love with Christie, particularly. I just think he could win because he’s the smartest potential candidate out there, by far. And if the purists stay home on election day, I genuinely believe he’ll swamp Hillary Clinton anyway.

(Not that I’m as sure as some they’ll run Hillary anyway. They have a lot better candidates than that. She could be the biggest Democrat red herring yet.)
 
One more reason I’m thankful I gave up politics on November 3, 2012, the day before the last presidential election. I do not prefer HRC as president but, on the other hand, I simply don’t care if she wins or loses. I no longer vote and rather enjoy being a flamingo with his head buried in the sand.
I can tell you’re not Irish. I’m mostly Irish, and was taught that you don’t give up the fight until you’re half-past dead.
 
(Not that I’m as sure as some they’ll run Hillary anyway. They have a lot better candidates than that. She could be the biggest Democrat red herring yet.)
On this we agree. She may very well run in the primaries, but I don’t think she will have a chance.
 
The only way the Republicans are going to beat Hilary is with a woman. I support Governor Martinez from New Mexico.

I think the ideal ticket would be Martinez/Rubio and I think the convention should be in Albuquerque New Mexico.

Martinez would stop all the Republicans are waging a war against women malarky from the Democrats and would counter the wanting of the first woman President in Hilary with a woman President in Martinez!. With Martinez the Republicans could get the Hispanic vote and could carry New Mexico, Colorado, and Nevada. Rubio would cinch Florida for the Republicans and with the Martinez Rubio ticket you would get more of the Catholic vote for the Republicans.

Run a old white man pure conservative and the Republicans will lose in a tidal wave.

The Republicans missed a great chance to have Colin Powell on a ticket.

Don’t miss the great chance to have a woman and TWO Hispanics on the ticket–plus Rubio will unite the party because the conservatives like him.

And PLEASE pass some kind of immigration reform so the Republicans won’t have that albatross around their neck.
Interesting comments. I am also impressed with Susana Martinez. However, is she ready to be president? Is she ready to face the onslaught from the leftist dominated media? Ready to debate not just the Democrat nominee but also the moderators? I am not sure she has been vetted - and of course that is what the primary process does. I just think there are too many question marks with her. I agree that if they run old white men they are doomed. But look at the field: Marco Rubio -not an old white man. Bobby Jindal - not an old white man. Ted Cruz - not an old white man. I think the GOP has a wealth of talented contenders - in contrast to the Democrat party which has basically Hillary, followed by Cuomo and … ??? The GOP race is wide open - and therefore more interesting. The Democrat race basically consists of Hillary.

Regarding Colin Powell - I am glad he wasn’t nominated. Having endorsed Obama twice, he has shown his true colors.

Ishii
 
I think the Republican nominee will likely be male and if Hillary Clinton is the nominee and maybe even if she is not, the Republican will almost certainly have to have a female vice president. It will be needed to gain ground with female voters and to beat the war on women rhetoric.
Interesting. But who? Susana Martinez? Rest assured that if the GOP nominates a women for VP they will be grilled just like Palin was grilled (and Obama wasn’t). Susana Martinez is the only one that I can think of to be viable to be a heartbeat away from the presidency. I think a Hispanic Presidential nominee - like Rubio, e.g. could make things difficult for a Hillary campaign. He would be a curve ball to the Democrats.
60 minutes next episode is going to be about Benghazi and look what is stated

cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57609230/were-here-to-kill-americans-witness-on-benghazi-attack

Hillary Clinton was head of the State Department - did she not give approval for additional requests for security? Hillary Clinton is not going to be able to run from a question like this and many more about Benghazi if she runs in 2016.
Hillary deserves all the criticism she has coming. And, if she is the nominee, the GOP would be wise to make a commercial with film from the Benghazi aftermath, with Hillary’s “what does it matter” comment in the background. And play it over and over - to show the American people who she really is. Unfortunately, I share Christine’s skepticism that Hillary will be held accountable by the media - especially in light of the media protection of Obama on this issue. Accountability ought to be a main issue for the GOP in 2016.

Ishii
 
Hard to know. I’m not a Repub or a Dem (anymore) either. I have lib leanings when it comes to the truly poor; the ones who cannot help themselves, but socially conservative and fiscally conservative to the point at least of despising horrible wastes like the “stimulus package” and Obamacare.

But as I said before, I’m tired of seeing the hard left win. I’m tired of seeing paganism win. Having traditional beliefs and conservative principles has been like being the last heartfelt Confederate sympathizer; all romance and all defeat. And the romance is not sufficient to sweeten the defeat. I’m sick of the “but ifs” and the righteousness of “sitting it out because X isn’t pure enough for me”.

This.

Obama didn’t defeat Romney. The purists on the right did. I even saw some of them on here before the last election wanting Obama to win so America could “learn its lesson”. So, here we are now with Obamacare and the HHS Mandate and two leftists on the Supreme Court, and Russia, Iran and Al Quaeda making foreign policy for this country, and what has anybody learned? Rand Paul and Marco Rubio will never win the presidency, and Rubio isn’t all “pure” either, from a conservative standpoint, as we’ll soon learn.

I’m not in love with Christie, particularly. I just think he could win because he’s the smartest potential candidate out there, by far. And if the purists stay home on election day, I genuinely believe he’ll swamp Hillary Clinton anyway.

(Not that I’m as sure as some they’ll run Hillary anyway. They have a lot better candidates than that. She could be the biggest Democrat red herring yet.)
Very interesting comments, Ridgerunner. Agree that Rubio isn’t “pure” - mainly due to the immigration issue.

However, I don’t agree with you that the purists on the right defeated Romney. Romney was defeated by Candy, (hurricane) Sandy, and Sandra (Fluke). And he ran a poor campaign. The biggest issue should have been Obamacare - but Romney wasn’t able to capitalize on that because it was based on Romney’s plan.

Regarding Christie - I simply don’t trust him. 2012 was a pivotal election. Defeating Obama was important - and Christie, whether intentional or not, gave Obama a boost by praising his “leadership” during hurricane Sandy. Moderates don’t have a good track record: Ford in '76 - defeat. Bush in '92 - defeat. Dole in '96 - defeat. McCain in 2008 - defeat. Romney in 2012 - defeat.

One other thing about Chris Christie - his recent comments and actions - criticizing Rand Paul and choosing not to defend traditional marriage appears to be positioning to attract “moderate, independent voters.” But in my view, a man who compromises his core beliefs to have a better chance of being elected is untrustworthy. Christie cannot win without the enthusiastic support of the right. I don’t think he will get it.

Ishii
 
Interesting. But who? Susana Martinez? Rest assured that if the GOP nominates a women for VP they will be grilled just like Palin was grilled (and Obama wasn’t). Susana Martinez is the only one that I can think of to be viable to be a heartbeat away from the presidency. I think a Hispanic Presidential nominee - like Rubio, e.g. could make things difficult for a Hillary campaign. He would be a curve ball to the Democrats.
I do no know if she would want to be vice president. 3 years is a time in which she could come forward or other candidates that you have not heard of.

Does the 2016 presidential nominee or vice presidential nominee necessarily have to come out of Washington or be governor? Maybe choosing a candidate out of both would be on benefit? I am not sure. Look at Ben Carson, he might run for president in 2016.
Hillary deserves all the criticism she has coming. And, if she is the nominee, the GOP would be wise to make a commercial with film from the Benghazi aftermath, with Hillary’s “what does it matter” comment in the background. And play it over and over - to show the American people who she really is. Unfortunately, I share Christine’s skepticism that Hillary will be held accountable by the media - especially in light of the media protection of Obama on this issue. Accountability ought to be a main issue for the GOP in 2016.
Hillary Clinton, if she does run, will not run as a lone candidate, she will have fellow Democrats running for the nomination also, who want to win, and will use what issue they can to dismantle her chance at becoming the nominee and it is likely that the issues surrounding Benghazi will be questioned, not only by Republicans, but by Democrats that will run for the nomination.
 
Someone rational, moderate and intelligent, Like Jon Huntsman.

I may be liberal, but I would consider voting for a Republican like him.
Just for my understanding what makes you describe yourself as a progressive catholic?
 
I think alot of otherwise rational intelligent people are failing to understand just how much America has changed in the last 15-20 years. I think most of us (with some notable exceptions) would agree that the Obama years have been a disaster for this country, and yet America continues to move further to the left, with even naive Republicans suggesting that we need a moderate to win in 2016. (Didn’t know the Republican party was made up of so many extremists)
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                                     Obamacare is going to fail, and when that's eventually acknowledged by the masses, you're going to see even more demand for a thoroughly socialist system of healthcare. This country is moving to the left, and barring an unforseen miracle, Hillary Rodham Clinton is a lock in 2016.
PS We tried a president once, who wasn’t an old white guy, and we’re still trying to navigate our way through that train wreck.
 
I think alot of otherwise rational intelligent people are failing to understand just how much America has changed in the last 15-20 years. I think most of us (with some notable exceptions) would agree that the Obama years have been a disaster for this country, and yet America continues to move further to the left, with even naive Republicans suggesting that we need a moderate to win in 2016. (Didn’t know the Republican party was made up of so many extremists)
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                                     Obamacare is going to fail, and when that's eventually acknowledged by the masses, you're going to see even more demand for a thoroughly socialist system of healthcare. This country is moving to the left, and barring an unforseen miracle, Hillary Rodham Clinton is a lock in 2016.
PS We tried a president once, who wasn’t an old white guy, and we’re still trying to navigate our way through that train wreck.
I so agree, Seamus. What is weird is that I talk to many people throughout the week and I find very few that agree with the direction of what I call the ObamaScam. The people I know that do agree on some level spout social justice platitudes without two very important words, personal responsibility.
 
I would support Mitch Daniels…is he perfect, no, but I think he would do well as a leader. God knows we need someone that can not only reclaim our standing as a nation and help Christians also reclaim their voice.
 
I think alot of otherwise rational intelligent people are failing to understand just how much America has changed in the last 15-20 years. I think most of us (with some notable exceptions) would agree that the Obama years have been a disaster for this country, and yet America continues to move further to the left, with even naive Republicans suggesting that we need a moderate to win in 2016. (Didn’t know the Republican party was made up of so many extremists)
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                                     Obamacare is going to fail, and when that's eventually acknowledged by the masses, you're going to see even more demand for a thoroughly socialist system of healthcare. This country is moving to the left, and barring an unforseen miracle, Hillary Rodham Clinton is a lock in 2016.
PS We tried a president once, who wasn’t an old white guy, and we’re still trying to navigate our way through that train wreck.
While I understand where you’re coming from, I wouldn’t say that Hillary is a lock to be next president. That said, look for the Democrat media complex to make 2016 like a coronation - the inevitable historical election of the first woman president. I viewed the 2012 election as a test of whether or not we really still have a country. Since there are now more people than ever getting some kind of government assistance, it follows that they will vote for the guys who are for keeping the gravy train of entitlements running. The Republicans who merely call for a return to constitutional government and fiscal sanity are more and more demonized as “extreme right-wingers” even though what they are proposing is nothing different from what Reagan proposed in the 80’s. In this brave new world we live in, truth is a casualty, and there is no accountability.

It will all come crashing down, of course - as we will eventually run out of other people’s money. But until then, we will have a secular left style government and lots of free stuff - a government that provides and an elite which decides what’s best for us. Naturally this is anti-thetical to what the Catholic Church teaches, but so many catholics are on board with the goals of these secular leftists. And that is part of the problem.

Ishii
 
Republicans are now on record as being extremely against Obamacare. That is the extent of their extremism, because the method chosen to oppose it was extreme.

If Obamacare ends up to be the extreme train wreck that the Republican prophets of doom so overtly and clearly warned it will be, and if people get hit hard in the their pocketbooks, lose the health care plans that they liked, get blasted with high premiums, and high deductibles, etc, etc., Republicans will all of a sudden become a life line.

If that does not happen, then Republicans made an extremely bad call.

And if Obamacare does not now turn out to be the train wreck prognosticated, it doesn’t really matter who wins the GOP field. The terms of the fight have been defined now, and they all rise and fall on that issue.

The fate of any prophet does not rise and fall on correctly foretelling the future however. It is not enough to point out that ASA is a false god, and an idol. Without the prophet pointing the way to the God of health care’s deliverance, the prophet will be left standing in the desert with everybody else.

GOP need a plan.
 
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