Paul leads GOP NH field 2016, Hillary leads Dems

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CrossofChrist said:
You said that “marriage equality” (I’m making the assumption you mean gay marriage by that) doesn’t affect “you” (you weren’t talking to me but I’m assuming you meant Catholics/people in general) in any way.
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And there’s nothing there that affects religious liberty. Civil marriage and sacramental marriage are two entirely different things.
 
Mulligan2 said:
And there’s nothing there that affects religious liberty. Civil marriage and sacramental marriage are two entirely different things.
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But not allowing those who want to receive a Catholic marriage is “discrimination”. Those who preach against homosexual “marriage” can’t speak out for being “bigoted”. Adoption agencies are shut down for “discrimination” as well. And so on.
 
the_phoenix said:
Here’s another link from the Red Cloud Indian School … I won’t post all the statistics here, but you’re welcome to compare them, keeping in mind that the previous website’s information was from 2007. This information mentions 2008 at the bottom of the page.

redcloudschool.org/reservation

Here is a call for help that went out in 2010. It gives the names, addresses, and phone numbers of actual poor people, as well as the names, addresses, and phone numbers of a grocery store, electric company, and propane company for those wishing to help. I can tell you personally it’s for real:

lists.opn.org/pipermail/poclad_lists.opn.org/2010-January/001334.html

And as for what this has to do with the non-negotiables? Quite honestly, I posted this Pine Ridge information because you asked the question as to where extreme poverty exists in America. Here’s my answer.

Personally, as a pro-lifer, I believe in helping those in extreme poverty … as well as voting pro-life. As for the reasons for the poverty on Pine Ridge, that’s a topic worth an entire thread by itself. The government aid part is one factor, and yes, there are indeed many other factors. I discovered the information on Pine Ridge quite by accident, while researching the Badlands of South Dakota while planning a vacation there.

Blessed Mother Teresa of Calcutta,
pray for us.

~~ the phoenix
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How sad about the Pine Ridge Reservation. And we can find extreme poverty in other parts of American too - such as on skid row in Seattle, and other cities. I think you’ll find a common denominator among these areas is addiction problems - such as in the case of the Pine Ridge reservation and alcohol addiction. Alcoholism is said to "effect 85% of the families living there. And 90% of the crimes are alcohol related.

So I should clarify: When I asked where extreme poverty existed in America, I wasn’t talking about skid row, or isolated communities where drugs and alcohol wreak their havoc. The other poster had made the claim that 3 million children liver in extreme poverty. I’m guessing that as bad as skid row and the Pine Ridge Reservation conditions are, there aren’t 3 million kids living in extreme poverty.

Poverty issues was mentioned as a non-negotiable. The problem is, what is a president or congress going to do to eliminate so-called “extreme poverty” ? Give everyone in Pine Ridge $100,000? That might be worse than doing nothing. Seems to me, the Pine Ridge situation is a concern of the Pine Ridge Indian reservation, the state of South Dakota, and private individuals wanting to help through charity. I think its disingenuous to imply that a presidential candidate’s policies on domestic/poverty issues would have the kind of direct effect on these situations, in the way that a president’s judicial picks, e.g. might have on the unborn.

Ishii
 
CrossofChrist said:
But not allowing those who want to receive a Catholic marriage is “discrimination”.
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Are you sure? I have not heard of any marriage equality proponent suggesting that the Catholic church change their position on marriage and allow gay couples to be married in the church.
 
Mulligan2 said:
Are you sure? I have not heard of any marriage equality proponent suggesting that the Catholic church change their position on marriage and allow gay couples to be married in the church.
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Why do you oppose the Church on this matter?
 
Mulligan2 said:
Yes, because it’s not about you.

Who’s trying to change the subject?
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Abortion is the taking of an innocent, human life. How in the world can you think that should be allowed? It is equivalent to genocide and worse than slavery.
 
Mulligan2 said:
What are you talking about? I said there was a difference between civil marriage and sacramental marriage. Do you believe there isn’t?
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Apparently, you aren’t familiar with Church teaching regarding civil unions, as you are posting in opposition to clear Church teaching in the matter.
 
Whoops, looks like I missed this poll when it was open.

My vote would have been for “Other”. Bob McDonnell would be my pick, if he were to run.
 
smichhertz said:
Whoops, looks like I missed this poll when it was open.

My vote would have been for “Other”. Bob McDonnell would be my pick, if he were to run.
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I didn’t know he was running - or among those thought to be considering a run. From what I can see, he looks pretty solid.

Ishii
 
smichhertz said:
Whoops, looks like I missed this poll when it was open.

My vote would have been for “Other”. Bob McDonnell would be my pick, if he were to run.
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Oh, hey, that’s right - the thread is about presidential candidates for 2016. Forgot all about that. 😉 😛
 
SaintAugustine said:
Apparently, you aren’t familiar with Church teaching regarding civil unions, as you are posting in opposition to clear Church teaching in the matter.
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As this thread is regarding the 2016 presidential candidates, I would venture a guess that every single candidate would have at least one or more positions that are not in lock step with official church teaching. There is no Catholic political party. Rather, there are Catholics in every political party. I’m not going to get hung up on one particular issue, or narrow set of issues, as others on this thread apparently do. I will think for myself and evaluate candidates on the totality of the issues, their character, etc.
 
Mulligan2 said:
As this thread is regarding the 2016 presidential candidates, I would venture a guess that every single candidate would have at least one or more positions that are not in lock step with official church teaching. There is no Catholic political party. Rather, there are Catholics in every political party. I’m not going to get hung up on one particular issue, or narrow set of issues, as others on this thread apparently do. I will think for myself and evaluate candidates on the totality of the issues, their character, etc.
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So, exactly what issues are sufficiently weighty to justify supporting the murder of 1 million children per year?
 
Mulligan2 said:
As this thread is regarding the 2016 presidential candidates, I would venture a guess that every single candidate would have at least one or more positions that are not in lock step with official church teaching. There is no Catholic political party. Rather, there are Catholics in every political party. I’m not going to get hung up on one particular issue, or narrow set of issues, as others on this thread apparently do. I will think for myself and evaluate candidates on the totality of the issues, their character, etc.
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So you’re saying that abortion is “just another issue” like all the others?

Ishii
 
Mulligan2 said:
As this thread is regarding the 2016 presidential candidates, I would venture a guess that every single candidate would have at least one or more positions that are not in lock step with official church teaching. There is no Catholic political party. Rather, there are Catholics in every political party. I’m not going to get hung up on one particular issue, or narrow set of issues, as others on this thread apparently do. I will think for myself and evaluate candidates on the totality of the issues, their character, etc.
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And, another question dodge… You posted in favor of civil unions…you…not an unnamed candidate. You’ve also lumped opposition to abortion - the killing of innocent human beings - with the idea of nanny state.

I never claimed there is a Catholic political party, but you’ve made it clear that you reject the idea of considering marriage or abortion in your assessment of candidates. In fact you’ve minimized both as issues. You are of course free to oppose the Church on these issues and vote accordingly, but I hope other Catholics are not deceived by your posts.
 
ishii said:
So I should clarify: When I asked where extreme poverty existed in America, I wasn’t talking about skid row, or isolated communities where drugs and alcohol wreak their havoc. The other poster had made the claim that 3 million children liver in extreme poverty. I’m guessing that as bad as skid row and the Pine Ridge Reservation conditions are, there aren’t 3 million kids living in extreme poverty.

Poverty issues was mentioned as a non-negotiable. The problem is, what is a president or congress going to do to eliminate so-called “extreme poverty” ? Give everyone in Pine Ridge $100,000? That might be worse than doing nothing. Seems to me, the Pine Ridge situation is a concern of the Pine Ridge Indian reservation, the state of South Dakota, and private individuals wanting to help through charity. I think its disingenuous to imply that a presidential candidate’s policies on domestic/poverty issues would have the kind of direct effect on these situations, in the way that a president’s judicial picks, e.g. might have on the unborn.

Ishii
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As for the 3 million kids, I’m not the one who made such a claim. Even if there were 3 million kids living in poverty in the USA, for whatever reason … abortion would not be an acceptable answer.

As for Pine Ridge, I heard about a year or so ago that a company had started up there selling specialized buffalo meat made according to the ancient ways, so at least a few of the tribe members are able to find local employment. Charity of course is good, able-bodied men and women working self-sufficiently is even better. That’s what Pine Ridge really needs are business opportunities … Why aren’t there more? Well again, that would be a topic for a whole different thread.

As for your last sentence, however, it now looks like my topic is indeed relevant to the topic of this thread after all. In the earliest days of our nation, the Native Americans had ties to the President of the United States. The Seneca tribe even has a legend about what happened to George Washington after his death … I know, because I’m part Seneca and decided to read up a little bit on the history of my tribe. President Washington was once called “Town Destroyer” by the Seneca based on what happened during the Revolutionary War, but eventually peace was made between them … the legend reflects this history. Even today, the Bureau of Indian Affairs exists within the U.S. Department of the Interior, which I assume falls under the Executive Branch of government. So I would think that a President could have quite a say in policy affecting Native Americans.

With all that said, yes, as a pro-life Catholic who at one time was a member of the Pro-Life Party in New York State rather than a Republican, and then eventually switched to being a pro-life Reagan Republican, I fully understand the moral necessity of voting according to the teachings of the Catholic Church when it comes to the non-negotiables, and I put pro-life issues and candidates at the top of the list.

In fact, if you were familiar with me here on CAF, you would know that I vote pro-life, have attended the March for Life in Washington more than once, and at one point have even lost a job due to my being pro-life, as you can see if you take a look at some of the prayer request threads I started several years ago in the Prayer Intentions section of CAF.

So I’m here to tell you that yes, we’re on the same team! 🙂

~~ the phoenix
 
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