Paul Ryan and Abortion for Rapes

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Two questions and one comment.
  1. Would not God then become the puppet of scientists? That is, scientists can create genetically modified human beings, and their God infuses their diabolic creations with souls? Would they be animal souls, or human souls?
No, He wouldn’t become a “puppet”, but He would allow the gift of creating life to be abused, and He wouldn’t penalize the child for it. The clones would have human souls.
  1. Can you state the law that bans cloning? As I recall cloning of animals is legal, along with other sorts of genetically created new species of animals, like glowing cats, and the like.
There’s currently no federal law, so I was mistaken. There are 13 states that ban human cloning.
My comment, once you legalize the protection of cloned embryos to the Constitution of the US, the cloning of embryos would be legal. I urge everyone who has a congressman who supported this Act to have them strike the cloning portion of this bill along with any guarantees for the genetic engineering of human embryos.
So since I was incorrect, and it appears that human cloning is legal in some places, does that change your answer? Shouldn’t those clones be protected under this law?
 
No, He wouldn’t become a “puppet”, but He would allow the gift of creating life to be abused, and He wouldn’t penalize the child for it. The clones would have human souls.

There’s currently no federal law, so I was mistaken. There are 13 states that ban human cloning.

So since I was incorrect, and it appears that human cloning is legal in some places, does that change your answer? Shouldn’t those clones be protected under this law?
No, human cloning is not technically legal in the U.S. and the Catholic Church has consistenly spoken out against it. The UN passed a nonbinding resolution to ban human cloning.

I do not believe that God has to honor the cloned ‘subhuman’ creations of a Joseph Mengele. I believe that they would not have a human soul, maybe an animal soul. For this reason, all scientifically created human embryos should be outlawed. Congress would be doing us all a great favor in Federally banning all human cloning, and genetic manipulation of the human species, and the animal species.

God’s peace

micah
 
I do not believe that God has to honor the cloned ‘subhuman’ creations of a Joseph Mengele. I believe that they would not have a human soul, maybe an animal soul.
Can you back that up with any documentation or is it just your personal view? I’ve never seen anything to that effect from the Church. The Church does denounce cloning, but I believe it would still give human “status” to the victims.
 
Can you back that up with any documentation or is it just your personal view? I’ve never seen anything to that effect from the Church. The Church does denounce cloning, but I believe it would still give human “status” to the victims.
There is no documentation. This year the first human embryos outside the womb, in the lab were created in England. I am asking these questions because they are not being discussed within in the framework of when human beings are fully human.

I think that there might be people of the Jewish faith who believe that a human being is not fully human until they are born. Maybe, they are thinking of the creation of Adam. “And God breathed into his nostrils and he became a living soul”

I personally would abort any human embryo created by mad scientists who think they are God by cloning, or genetically modifying the human species. Please get on the bandwagon and have Congress Ryan strike that portion of the bill that allows for the cloning of human embryos and the possible genetic manipulation of the human being.

God’s peace

micah
 
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I personally would abort
any human embryo created by mad scientists who think they are God by cloning, or genetically modifying the human species. Please get on the bandwagon and have Congress Ryan strike that portion of the bill that allows for the cloning of human embryos and the possible genetic manipulation of the human being.

God’s peace

micah
I find it hard to believe that you are truly wishing God’s peace while at the same time saying you would abort a human being. 🤷
 
I find it hard to believe that you are truly wishing God’s peace while at the same time saying you would abort a human being. 🤷
A subhuman creature created by mad scientists would not be a human being. Do you have any idea what some of these mad scientists are already doing to animal species and would like to do to the human species. Please we do not need any more Josef Mengeles.

This would never need to take place if Congress would enact a federal law against human cloning and the genetic alteration of the human species.

Why are we not discussing this issue in politics? Why protect something from abortion when that ‘something’ is clearly against Catholic teaching.

No, if a cloned human monster or genetically modified human monster was created by mad scientists, that creature is not a human being. That creature is not a creation of God. It is as it was in the days of Noah, when the fallen angels messed with the female humans and created the giants in the earth.

God’s peace

micah.
 
A subhuman creature created by mad scientists would not be a human being. Do you have any idea what some of these mad scientists are already doing to animal species and would like to do to the human species. Please we do not need any more Josef Mengeles.

This would never need to take place if Congress would enact a federal law against human cloning and the genetic alteration of the human species.

Why are we not discussing this issue in politics? Why protect something from abortion when that ‘something’ is clearly against Catholic teaching.

No, if a cloned human monster or genetically modified human monster was created by mad scientists, that creature is not a human being. That creature is not a creation of God. It is as it was in the days of Noah, when the fallen angels messed with the female humans and created the giants in the earth.

God’s peace

micah.
So, this is what it means to be 100% pro-life. Subhuman, mosters, human monsters should just be destroyed. I understand now 👍
 
A subhuman creature created by mad scientists would not be a human being. Do you have any idea what some of these mad scientists are already doing to animal species and would like to do to the human species. Please we do not need any more Josef Mengeles.

This would never need to take place if Congress would enact a federal law against human cloning and the genetic alteration of the human species.
Yes, of course. Since people NEVER violate the law. :rolleyes:
Why are we not discussing this issue in politics? Why protect something from abortion when that ‘something’ is clearly against Catholic teaching.
So if they aren’t “people.” would you also kill them after they are born???
No, if a cloned human monster or genetically modified human monster was created by mad scientists, that creature is not a human being. That creature is not a creation of God. It is as it was in the days of Noah, when the fallen angels messed with the female humans and created the giants in the earth.
God’s peace
 
So, this is what it means to be 100% pro-life. Subhuman, mosters, human monsters should just be destroyed. I understand now 👍
Just like God destrroyed the giants that were created by the fallen angels. Except in our case we can avoid that by OUTLAWING the cloning of human embryos and genetic modification of human embryos instead of trying to protect them under the US Constitution. Your logic is illogical.

God’s peace

micah
 
Yes, of course. Since people NEVER violate the law. :rolleyes:So if they aren’t “people.” would you also kill them after they are born???
We do not even have to go there. We do not even want to imagine what havoc that mad, and immoral scientists unfettered could unleash on this earth.

It would be very easy to enact a bi-partisan Federal bill outlawing human cloning and the genetic alteration of the human species. The time is upon us, but some people would rather be stuck in some sort of partisan defense of a poorly written partisan bill.

I am very disappointed in anyon who would defend this bill as now written, and would not support a Federal ban on human cloning and human genetic engineering.

God’s peace
micah
 
Just like God destrroyed the giants that were created by the fallen angels. Except in our case we can avoid that by OUTLAWING the cloning of human embryos and genetic modification of human embryos instead of trying to protect them under the US Constitution. Your logic is illogical.

God’s peace

micah
Of course it is 🙂 What about cloned individuals already five years old, ten years old. Do we kill them on the grounds that they are human monsters? Why? or why not? After all, they are ‘subhuman’ and ‘monsters’ and comparable to ‘God destroyed the giants that were created by the fallen angels’ according to you.
 
Why are we not discussing this issue in politics? Why protect something from abortion when that ‘something’ is clearly against Catholic teaching.
If it’s clearly against Catholic teaching, then I don’t understand why you can’t find a single source to back up your claim that a clone would be “sub-human”??
 
If it’s clearly against Catholic teaching, then I don’t understand why you can’t find a single source to back up your claim that a clone would be “sub-human”??
I simply take the sacred scriptures for what they say. We are created in the image and likeness of God, and by God. We each have unique attributes including fingerprints.

Mad scientists would want to clone super human soldiers for the Defense Dept. or create a mad concoction of half human and half animal if given the chance (called chimeras).
These creations would not be created by God, they would be contrary to image in which we are created.

They would be the creations of mad scientists who are the tools of Satan who desires to be like God in every way, including the ability to create.

God’s peace

micah
 
I simply take the sacred scriptures for what they say. We are created in the image and likeness of God, and by God. We each have unique attributes including fingerprints.
Clones are still created by God because only God can create life. You have trouble with this because you’re giving human beings power that they don’t have. God alone is the giver of life.
 
Clones are still created by God because only God can create life. You have trouble with this because you’re giving human beings power that they don’t have. God alone is the giver of life.
I would disagree with you. Each one of us are created in the image and likeness of God and we each have our unique attributes including fingerprints.

Cloned human beings are not unique. Half-human and half-animal beings are not humans.

Mad and immoral scientists would be creating beings through the counterfeit and contrary ways of Satan himself, who desires to be like God in every way.

God’s peace

micah
 
I would disagree with you. Each one of us are created in the image and likeness of God and we each have our unique attributes including fingerprints.

Cloned human beings are not unique. Half-human and half-animal beings are not humans.

Mad and immoral scientists would be creating beings through the counterfeit and contrary ways of Satan himself, who desires to be like God in every way.

God’s peace

micah
You don’t understand what a clone really is, my friend. It’s a genetic copy, but that doesn’t mean it will be an identical person. A clone would actually have different fingerprints, because fingerprints develop somewhat-randomly inside the womb. They are based on genetic code, so your clone would have similar fingerprints (just like an identical twin would have similar fingerprints), but not exactly the same. Likewise, everything else would be similar, but not exactly identical. Your personalities could end up being vastly different, depending on the environment you each grew up in.

A clone would be just as unique as an identical twin.

I’m not saying we should produce clones, because it’s not God’s will. But if we did, on a scientific level there would be nothing different about clones compared to identical twins.
 
I would disagree with you. Each one of us are created in the image and likeness of God and we each have our unique attributes including fingerprints.

Cloned human beings are not unique. Half-human and half-animal beings are not humans.

Mad and immoral scientists would be creating beings through the counterfeit and contrary ways of Satan himself, who desires to be like God in every way.

God’s peace

micah
What half-animal/half-human beings are you talking about?
 
What half-animal/half-human beings are you talking about?
I was using hypebole as if the science is there, and if it is permitted, it will be done. (I am referring to the creatures of Greek and Egyptian mythology).

What we have today is the taking of human genes and splicing them with animal genes and vice versa for medical reasons. And this article goes back to 2005 and a lot has changed since then:

**Some researchers have created embryos with genetic material from both a human and an animal, also known as chimeras. Most claim this is for research purposes only, and such embryos would never be implanted or brought to term. But some bioethicists are unwilling to draw a line that would prevent it. For example, Jason Scott Robert and Francoise Baylis assert that they take “no stance at all” on whether “interspecies hybrids or chimeras from human materials should be forbidden or embraced.” But much of their article is devoted to their contention that “the arguments against… creating novel part-human beings… are largely unsatisfactory.”

The prospect of such human-animal chimeras being born raises a number of troubling questions. Does such an organism have human rights? What if it were 99.9% human and 0.1% chimpanzee? What of the reverse situation? **

geneticsandsociety.org/article.php?id=386

We already have cats that now glow in the dark due to genetic splicing, and goats that produce spider milk.

howtohelpsavetheenvironment.com/archives/environmental-tampering-spider-goats-and-fluorescent-cats

God’s peace

micah
 
The Romney / Ryan campaign has stated that it would not OPPOSE abortion in the case of rape or incest. Although I oppose even those abortions, it’s not as if Romney (or any other president) could overturn Roe v. Wade, as it is a Supreme Court decision. Their opposition to abortion in OTHER cases won’t prevent women who want them from getting them.

To say that their administration would oppose abortion even in these cases would just give Democrats a hammer to beat them over the head with. It wouldn’t save one life, it would just make it more likely that Obama is re-elected.
 
The Romney / Ryan campaign has stated that it would not OPPOSE abortion in the case of rape or incest. Although I oppose even those abortions, it’s not as if Romney (or any other president) could overturn Roe v. Wade, as it is a Supreme Court decision. Their opposition to abortion in OTHER cases won’t prevent women who want them from getting them.

To say that their administration would oppose abortion even in these cases would just give Democrats a hammer to beat them over the head with. It wouldn’t save one life, it would just make it more likely that Obama is re-elected.
They could issue an executive order, making abortion illegal. Presidents have used executive orders many times in the past for sweeping policy changes. If Abe Lincoln could suspend habeas corpus during the Civil War and FDR could steal all privately owned gold in 1933, then it seems like an abortion ban is also possible. It would probably go back to the Supreme Court in short order, but at least they would have a chance to undo the damage they did in 1973.
 
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