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LisaA said:
Mary’s comment was with respect to Obama not Romney. I agree that for Romney disclosing certain information would also make outsiders subject to unwarrented scrutiny.

The Obama transcript issue is related to questions about how with his self described “slacker” status, he was able to get into such competitive universities and Harvard Law School.

Lisa
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Oh. I misunderstood, then - easy to do. 😊

I’m in complete agreement regarding the transcript issue. I can’t imagine a reason to keep them sealed.
 
I would love to examine Obama’s transcripts. He does not appear to be as brilliant as his curricula vitae, in my humble opinion.
 
mercytruth said:
Prove to me that WPost misstated the facts, and I will apologize.

My issue was not whether tax shelters were illegal, my issue is more with the storing up wealth on earth which I have already addressed. No need to further our discussions, as they are differences of perceptions of Mr. Romney, and of the teachings of Jesus Christ.

God’s peace when you vote

micah
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So you will not vote for anyone who has a savings account?
 
mercytruth said:
Prove to me that WPost misstated the facts, and I will apologize.

My issue was not whether tax shelters were illegal, my issue is more with the storing up wealth on earth which I have already addressed. No need to further our discussions, as they are differences of perceptions of Mr. Romney, and of the teachings of Jesus Christ.

God’s peace when you vote

micah
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Micah it does not appear that you read my post. I did not say WaPo misstated the facts, what I said was they simply used innuendo and inference in place of actual factual reporting on Mr Romney’s investments. The piece was cleverly worded to infer that Romney COULD HAVE USED such investments and this MAY HAVE SAVED tax dollars. Coulda, shoulda, woulda…these are not facts they are speculation and theory.

The reality is that they have no actual information on Mr Romney’s investments, they are simply speculating. It is an easily recognized journalistic tactic and if you read with some care you will catch this occurring frequently.

The subsequent paragraph focused on IRA’s as tax shelters. Now the word “tax shelter” has some negative connotation so instead of using the word “retirement plan” which is exactly what they are. The writer used the term “tax shelter” to infer something negative. Hey here’s a novel concept, why don’t we say all those union workers are using “tax shelters” since they TOO defer taxes on their employer paid pensions.

Again I can certainly understand a difference of opinion with regard to the issues. I don’t understand a difference created out of breaded air by politically motivated “journalists”

Lisa
 
Seniors <3 Paul Ryan
Grandma isn’t scared of Paul Ryan.
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A new Washington Post-ABC News poll
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shows 41 percent of Americans view the new GOP vice presidential nominee favorably, while 37 percent rate him unfavorably — slightly improved from last week’s polling.
Among seniors, though, the numbers are even better for Ryan: 50 percent favorable and 35 percent unfavorable. Fully one-third of seniors say they have a strongly favorable view of the Wisconsin congressman, while one-quarter have a strongly unfavorable view.

The numbers suggest Democrats’ attempts to turn Ryan’s Medicare proposal against the GOP haven’t stuck yet among the most pivotal group: seniors. If a Medicare attack was working, after all, seniors would likely be the first group to start deserting Ryan.

washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2012/08/22/seniors-still/
 
LisaA said:
Micah it does not appear that you read my post. I did not say WaPo misstated the facts, what I said was they simply used innuendo and inference in place of actual factual reporting on Mr Romney’s investments. The piece was cleverly worded to infer that Romney COULD HAVE USED such investments and this MAY HAVE SAVED tax dollars. Coulda, shoulda, woulda…these are not facts they are speculation and theory.

The reality is that they have no actual information on Mr Romney’s investments, they are simply speculating. It is an easily recognized journalistic tactic and if you read with some care you will catch this occurring frequently.

The subsequent paragraph focused on IRA’s as tax shelters. Now the word “tax shelter” has some negative connotation so instead of using the word “retirement plan” which is exactly what they are. The writer used the term “tax shelter” to infer something negative. Hey here’s a novel concept, why don’t we say all those union workers are using “tax shelters” since they TOO defer taxes on their employer paid pensions.

Again I can certainly understand a difference of opinion with regard to the issues. I don’t understand a difference created out of breaded air by politically motivated “journalists”

Lisa
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the could have’s and the may have’s are something even the IRS has trouble figuring out:

irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,id=106570,00.html
 
mercytruth said:
the could have’s and the may have’s are something even the IRS has trouble figuring out:

irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,id=106570,00.html
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I don’t get your point. The IRS Pub is mostly warning taxpayers of illegitamate schemes whereby a naive investor is conned into investing his money in “offshore bank accounts” and investments thereby earning above market rates that magically are not taxed. Because he is unsophisticated, he may end up with an audit, or worse engaged in a fraudulent transaction. This actually happened to a friend of mine although I warned him to steer clear of the “too good to be true” investment. Mitt Romney undoubtedly has a platoon of accountants and attorneys to avoid such entanglements.

My thoughts about your continued speculation and innuendos.
A) Mitt Romney’s assets are in a blind trust. He is not doing the day to day management.
B) Mitt Romney is a very high profile individual and given the media has a vested interest in electing Obama if there were the hint of illegality or in less than above the board investments it would be front page news. As it is we are treated to daily doses of speculation and innuendo that you seem to accept as true.
C) You have not provided a smidgen of evidence that Mitt Romney has engaged in illegal, unethical, or corrupt dealings in his personal life.

So what’s your beef with the man, other than he’s a Mormon?
Lisa
 
estesbob said:
You didn’t answer the question. You criticized Romney for not storing his treasure in heaven. Do you oppose any candidate who has a savings account?
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I am not voting. It’s a sham. Half of our elected congressmen are millionaires.
 
mercytruth said:
I am not voting. It’s a sham. Half of our elected congressmen are millionaires.
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How does the finances of our elected representatives constitute “a sham?” There is not a vow of poverty required for public service. 😛
 
LisaA said:
I don’t get your point. The IRS Pub is mostly warning taxpayers of illegitamate schemes whereby a naive investor is conned into investing his money in “offshore bank accounts” and investments thereby earning above market rates that magically are not taxed. Because he is unsophisticated, he may end up with an audit, or worse engaged in a fraudulent transaction. This actually happened to a friend of mine although I warned him to steer clear of the “too good to be true” investment. Mitt Romney undoubtedly has a platoon of accountants and attorneys to avoid such entanglements.

My thoughts about your continued speculation and innuendos.
A) Mitt Romney’s assets are in a blind trust. He is not doing the day to day management.
B) Mitt Romney is a very high profile individual and given the media has a vested interest in electing Obama if there were the hint of illegality or in less than above the board investments it would be front page news. As it is we are treated to daily doses of speculation and innuendo that you seem to accept as true.
C) You have not provided a smidgen of evidence that Mitt Romney has engaged in illegal, unethical, or corrupt dealings in his personal life.

So what’s your beef with the man, other than he’s a Mormon?
Lisa
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I never implied that Mr. Romney is doing anything illegal. Your conspiratorial implication that the Washington Post was skewing the issue with maybe’s and could have’s is why I posted the IRS website. It is very complicated, therefore the Washington Post had to be . careful with their language in reporting Mr. Romney’s offshore accounts. If you care to read just how complicated it is, take the time to read this one:

irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,id=201003,00.html

In the meantime, I have a problem with someone who lays up treasures on earth. Jesus says that such individuals are serving mammon and not God. If you can not hear what Jesus is saying, then there is nothing more to say.

God have mercy on us.
 
rlg94086 said:
How does the finances of our elected representatives constitute “a sham?” There is not a vow of poverty required for public service. 😛
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No, one does not have to take a vow of poverty. One has to serve mammon to get elected.
 
estesbob said:
You didn’t answer the question. You criticized Romney for not storing his treasure in heaven. Do you oppose any candidate who has a savings account?
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I think itshows more patriotism when an American politician puts his money in an American savings account. Money in America helps Americans. Money overseas helps foreigners.
 
qui_est_ce said:
Some people don’t seem to understand how important investments are to a free capitalist society.
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Why not invest in America to help Americans instead of putting your money in Bermuda or the Cayman islands?
 
LisaA said:
Why not buy ONLY American products? Why not help OUR economy Joe?
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Because the Republicans and Democrats, starting with Nixon and Kissinger, have made it impossible to find some items made in America. For example, have you tried looking for an American flag recently? I found out that at the local store,they are all made in China. Also, take a computer screen. Can you find one which is made in USA and has parts made only in the USA? Take an Apple Iphone, or any cell phone, dvd player, etc. The Republicans Nixon and Kissinger were the ones who started all of this by personally going to China and shaking hands and bowing to the murderous Communist dictator, Mao Tse Tung. BTW, I have nothing against the wonderful Chinese people. They are some of the most kind and charitable and friendly people that there are. And they are also quite intelligent. I am talking about the Republicans who started this business with the Communists, who are employing slave labor in a totalitarian regime.
 
rlg94086 said:
That’s a rather uncharitable assumption. How do you know the hearts of our elected officials?
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Jesus makes it very clear for us. Those who store up treasures on earth are serving mammon. When half of our elected officials are millionaires, one can make assumptions that they are not serving God. Even the religious Pharisees of the days of Jesus Christ were accused of such:

No servant can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.” The Pharisees, who were lovers of money, heard all these things, and they ridiculed him. And he said to them, “You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts. For what is exalted among men is an abomination in the sight of God.

(Luke 16:13-15).
 
mercytruth said:
You cannot serve God and money(Luke 16:13-15).
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I am not sure how literally we should take this. There are many wealthy people who are good Catholics and good Christians in other ecclesial communities who are wealthy.
 
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