Paul Ryan Discussion

[mercytruth]

Jesus used money to pay the temple tax (remember Him telling Peter to go fishing and take the tax out of the mouth of the first fish that he caught*?), so obviously he wasn’t “against” money. What He was against was an unhealthy attachment to money.

*It just struck me that this proves that Jesus had no problem with working for money. He could have just as easily produced the money from nothing, but that would smack too much of an unmerited giveaway. Instead, He makes St Peter work for it

That is correct, Jesus was not ‘against’ money, but he did say that to do the will of God we can not put money first. He did say to lay up treasures in heaven, and not on earth. (which includes the islands of the earth).

I sincerely wonder sometimes if the financially security of my job (as modest as it is) gets first place over my trust in God.

God’s peace

micah

 

[DeSanto]

As many have pointed out to you and other ‘fence sitters’ that unless you have a truly compelling reason not to vote for RR (your dislike of Mormonism doesn’t cut it IMO) then by either not voting or voting 3rd party you are in effect handing Obama a free vote.
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Lisa, I respectfully disagree with you. Why are you so sure Obama will win without my vote? Why do you deny me my right to search my own conscience, isn’t that what the church authorities are calling for? I believe the reasons I have not to vote are compelling! I have been very honest and taken much ridicule for it but this is how I feel, all I ask is for a respectful conversation. I understand and respect your opinions but please refrain from your name calling.**

You are inadvertently helping Obama with your refusal to consider that no Bishop or Cardinal has proclaimed Catholics can vote for RR without believing they are complying with evil.

I’m sorry you feel that way. I do understand that if I choose to vote for Romney I won’t be going against the church, but I don’t think that choosing NOT to vote for him goes against the church. Correct me if I’m wrong. Is the church demanding all Catholics must vote for Romney? I’m not sure how refusing to vote for Obama helps Obama. Please understand I don’t “hate” Romney for his beliefs, I just don’t feel comfortable supporting him to be the leader of our nation.

Voting for Obama would be voting for evil to continue and a Catholic cannot vote for him if they are a believing, practicing Catholic.

You have a viable alternative to Obama.

**B]I respect your fervor for getting Obama out of office, I wonder if some may want it so bad, they’re willing to overlook much. I suspect Romney is counting on it. Joe peaked my interest in considering the third party candidate. I will be looking at that alternative, which is my right to do, btw.
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Lisa

 

[qui_est_ce]

Jesus used money to pay the temple tax (remember Him telling Peter to go fishing and take the tax out of the mouth of the first fish that he caught*?), so obviously he wasn’t “against” money. What He was against was an unhealthy attachment to money.

*It just struck me that this proves that Jesus had no problem with working for money. He could have just as easily produced the money from nothing, but that would smack too much of an unmerited giveaway. Instead, He makes St Peter work for it

Great insight. Thanks for sharing.

 

[mercytruth]

I don’t understand why you think Romney serves ‘mammon.’ Yes he’s rich but he took no salary when he ran the Olympics, my understanding is he returned his governor’s salary,he tithes extensively. He’s not running for President because of the high pay although I will say the housing situation is pretty nice!

I see a humble servant toiling in the Vineyard, not Ceasar vying for more power.

Lisa

Perceptions are everything when and if a person decides to vote. Tax shelters in the Cayman Islands give me the perception that Mr. R is serving mammon. You know what?
I could be wrong in my perception. Thankfully, I do not vote.

God’s peace

micah

 

[JoeBowen7]

I disagree with your first statement. With all due apologies to the Rebbetzin, this is not the majority viewpoint among Orthodox Jews. The only part of life in which one person, the mother, makes the final decision is the part of life most personal to her own body and soul, that part in which she is carrying her unborn child. That’s precisely why this issue should remain a private and personal decision.

Is that a unanimous view, or do some Jews teach that abortion is always wrong?

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

That is correct, Jesus was not ‘against’ money, but he did say that to do the will of God we can not put money first. He did say to lay up treasures in heaven, and not on earth. (which includes the islands of the earth).

I sincerely wonder sometimes if the financially security of my job (as modest as it is) gets first place over my trust in God.

God’s peace

micah

I wonder that, too.

 

[_Abyssinia]

47% Fear Health Care Law More Than Ryan’s Medicare Reform Plan

Democrats hope to make inroads in the senior vote by raising concerns about Mitt Romney running mate Paul Ryan’s Medicare reform proposal, but most seniors are more fearful of President Obama’s health care law than they are of Ryan’s plan.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that when it comes to the future of Medicare, 47% of Likely U.S. Voters are scared more of the health care law than of Ryan’s proposal. Forty-one percent (41%) are more scared of what Ryan has proposed. Twelve percent (12%) are undecided. (To see survey question wording, click here

.)

rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/social_security_medicare/47_fear_health_care_law_more_than_ryan_s_medicare_reform_plan

 

[DeSanto]

That is correct, Jesus was not ‘against’ money, but he did say that to do the will of God we can not put money first. He did say to lay up treasures in heaven, and not on earth. (which includes the islands of the earth).

I sincerely wonder sometimes if the financially security of my job (as modest as it is) gets first place over my trust in God.

God’s peace

micah

Your sincerity is refreshing. I pray the Lord grants you the grace and strength you need to overcome the worries of financial security and trust totally in Him to provide for all your needs. May God bless you and your family.

Matthew 6:21 is a scripture I have recently reviewed, your quote reminded me of this.

 

[mercytruth]

Your sincerity is refreshing. I pray the Lord grants you the grace and strength you need to overcome the worries of financial security and trust totally in Him to provide for all your needs. May God bless you and your family.

Matthew 6:21 is a scripture I have recently reviewed, your quote reminded me of this.

I am sincerely thankful for your prayers. I am getting old, and I have no earthly possessions to speak of, but a 96 vehicle…and yet would I quit my job if I thought God was leading me to do something else? Do I trust that He would provide for myself and family?

May God truly bless you and your family.

micah

 

[DeSanto]

How is it rude to tell someone the truth about what the Catholic Church actually teaches?

The Church has not issued any guidence on how to vote based on someone’s religon. As such, simply not voting for someone because they are Mormon or have a high net worth comes across as intolerant and bigoted, especially when there are more important issues at hand.

it is not rude to proclaim the truth. It is rude to assume one is ignorant, bigoted, pro choice, take comments out of context and to disregard ones opinions as insignificant or question ones faith because they may not adhere completely to your views or even the majority. There is a way to disagree while still showing respect. I do not ask you to agree with me, I ask for your respect. Do you think I should vote for someone who’s views I do not agree with?

 

[JoeBowen7]

Who do you want choosing the next two or three supreme court justices, Romney/Ryan or Obama/Biden?

Ishii

Here are some questions for you:
Do the two major parties actually represent the interests of ordinary people?
Is the country is being led effectively by our elected leaders from either of the major parties?
Should a wider spectrum of perspectives, viewpoints and solutions be represented in public discourse and institutions than just Republican or Democrat?
Do the mainstream political parties care more for their own internal interests rather than the interests of the country as a whole?
Have both the Democrats and the Republicans lied to us?
Republicans say they are for limited government, but did the government decrease substantially when Bush was in power? Republicans say they are against abortions, but were there more than one million abortions per year under the Bush regime?

 

[DeSanto]

I am sincerely thankful for your prayers. I am getting old, and I have no earthly possessions to speak of, but a 96 vehicle…and yet would I quit my job if I thought God was leading me to do something else? Do I trust that He would provide for myself and family?

May God truly bless you and your family.

micah

very refreshing I must say. Thank you!

 

[qui_est_ce]

Perceptions are everything when and if a person decides to vote. Tax shelters in the Cayman Islands give me the perception that Mr. R is serving mammon. You know what?
I could be wrong in my perception. Thankfully, I do not vote.

God’s peace

micah

You do not know that he has “tax shelters” in the Cayman Islands. He has paid every penny of every tax he owes. The IRS makes sure of that.

You are judging his heart. Mr. Romney has given millions to charity. Something most of us are unable to do.

Here is some more of Mitt’s generosity.which byt the way he never brags about

Sometimes, this facet of Romney’s personality isn’t so subtle. In July 1996, the 14-year-old daughter of Robert Gay, a partner at Bain Capital, had disappeared. She had attended a rave party in New York City and gotten high on ecstasy.

Three days later, her distraught father had no idea where she was. Romney took immediate action. He closed down the entire firm and asked all 30 partners and employees to fly to New York to help find Gay’s daughter. Romney set up a command center at the LaGuardia Marriott and hired a private detective firm to assist with the search. He established a toll-free number for tips, coordinating the effort with the NYPD, and went through his Rolodex and called everyone Bain did business with in New York, and asked them to help find his friend’s missing daughter. Romney’s accountants at Price Waterhouse Cooper put up posters on street poles, while cashiers at a pharmacy owned by Bain put fliers in the bag of every shopper. Romney and the other Bain employees scoured every part of New York and talked with everyone they could, prostitutes, drug addicts, anyone.

That day, their hunt made the evening news, which featured photos of the girl and the Bain employees searching for her. As a result, a teenage boy phoned in, asked if there was a reward, and then hung up abruptly. The NYPD traced the call to a home in New Jersey, where they found the girl in the basement, shivering and experiencing withdrawal symptoms from a massive ecstasy dose. Doctors later said the girl might not have survived another day. Romney’s former partner credits Mitt Romney with saving his daughter’s life, saying, “It was the most amazing thing, and I’ll never forget this to the day I die.”

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

You are judging his heart. Mr. Romney has given millions to charity. Something most of us are unable to do.

I’d opine that no one on this Forum gives millions to charity. It’s just not that kind of a crowd.

 

[JoeBowen7]

You do not know that he has “tax shelters” in the Cayman Islands.

Why would he want to put his money overseas and not in America where it could be used to support the economy?

 

[LisaA]

it is not rude to proclaim the truth. It is rude to assume one is ignorant, bigoted, pro choice, take comments out of context and to disregard ones opinions as insignificant because they may not adhere completely to your views or even the majority. There is a way to disagree while still showing respect. I do not ask you to agree with me, I ask for your respect. Do you think I should vote for someone who’s views I do not agree with?

Views on what? National security? The economy? Life issues? Social issues?

If you were voting for Parish Priest, Mitt Romney’s religious affiliation would be relevant. You aren’t and it’s not. While his faith informs him you cannot know his heart, what he believes or doesn’t believe. What you can observe is the way he’s lived his life. He has consistently been a servant, to his family, to his country, and to God. Would we have more such individuals in our government I think it would be far less corrupt, wasteful, and anti religion as it is now.

Your prejudice against a particular faith seems to be the over riding principle in your decision. That sounds not only bigoted but in opposition to the specific prohibition AGAINST a religious test in our government.

While I wasn’t Catholic at the time, apparently the same things were said of JFK. It was wrong then and it is wrong now. But hey you’re right, it is your right to vote for whomever you wish.

Lisa

 

[LisaA]

Why would he want to put his money overseas and not in America where it could be used to support the economy?

This has been beaten to death but please don’t get the idea that Mitt’s millions are in gold bullion stored in a safety deposit box in the Caymen Islands. Money is fungible and many countries that have operations in the US have and use capital from overseas.

Further, do you hold yourself to the same standard? Those who complain that Romney has overseas bank accounts probablly have products in their homes from China. Why not buy ONLY American products? Why not help OUR economy Joe?

Lisa

 

[rlg94086]

Why else would he spend a pot full of money to keep them under wraps? I would be interested in what you think. Nothing there?

I don’t know. I have heard mentioned that one of the issues is that he has business partners, so their information would also be public record. If you were a business partner with someone, would you want all of your personal data made public just because your ex-partner’s political opponent wants to highlight that you are part of the 1%…something everyone already knows?

 

[qui_est_ce]

Why would he want to put his money overseas and not in America where it could be used to support the economy?

Is what he is doing illegal? We know he is rich. It is not a sin to be rich.

Again, prove to me that he put his money in the Cayman Islands.

You are reading his heart that he worships money not God.

Forum rules dictate we must not question the faith of fellow CAFers or that of politicians.

 

[LisaA]

I don’t know. I have heard mentioned that one of the issues is that he has business partners, so their information would also be public record. If you were a business partner with someone, would you want all of your personal data made public just because your ex-partner’s political opponent wants to highlight that you are part of the 1%…something everyone already knows?

Mary’s comment was with respect to Obama not Romney. I agree that for Romney disclosing certain information would also make outsiders subject to unwarrented scrutiny.

The Obama transcript issue is related to questions about how with his self described “slacker” status, he was able to get into such competitive universities and Harvard Law School.

Lisa