Paul Ryan!!

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estesbob said:
I refuted it. Having money is a Swiss account does not result in a lower tax rate. Where did you ever get that idea.
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An honest and perhaps ignorant question, Bob. Why then do some multi-millionaires put their money in Swiss bank accounts? What is the advantage of doing so if they are not tax shelters?
 
bellasbane said:
The Ryan budget proposes massive tax cuts for the wealthy and maintains military spending, all while being revenue neutral. He does not tell us what he proposes to cut in order to make this happen. Believe me, liberals would love for him to be more specific.

Here’re some his options of what to eliminate:
  • Medicaid
  • Medicare
  • Food Stamps
  • Education
  • Law Enforcement
  • Middle class tax “loop holes” like those on mortgage interest payments
You can read more about it here: latimes.com/business/la-fi-hiltzik-20120815,0,1949780.column

FYI: Here’s an interesting quote from the article:

“Ryan calls for eliminating consumer-friendly financial reforms enacted after the 2008 crash, removing environmental oversight of oil and gas production, and eroding legal protection for unionized workers. With a straight face, he lists these initiatives under the heading, “Ending Cronyism and Corporate Welfare.” The original version of his plan envisioned the national economic safety net as “a hammock that lulls able-bodied citizens into lives of complacency and despondency.” (He removed this Ayn Randian phrase from the 2012 revision.)”

Ha! Ayn Rand again.:eek:
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Bellesbane, I just heard Romney said he and Ryan will cut Amtrak and PBS. That should do it. :rotfl:
 
bellasbane said:
I don’t see how it is possible to be both a disciple of the atheist Ayn Rand and a disciple of Christ. Paul Ryan is clearly a disciple of Ayn Rand. For years he has openly preached her “gospel”. There is so much evidence to support this - videos of him speaking about how much he is influenced by her philosophy, that it must require a huge effort of self delusion to think otherwise.
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As far as I’m aware, it’s still at the very least uncharitably speculative, if not actually against forum rules to posit that a politician doesn’t believe what he or she claims to believe:
Robert Bay:
If a politician or newsmaker states that they are a certain religion that is the assumed religion of the politician in this forum, please do not question it.
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meltzerboy said:
An honest and perhaps ignorant question, Bob. Why then do some multi-millionaires put their money in Swiss bank accounts? What is the advantage of doing so if they are not tax shelters?
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Stability and higher interest rates.
 
meltzerboy said:
An honest and perhaps ignorant question, Bob. Why then do some multi-millionaires put their money in Swiss bank accounts? What is the advantage of doing so if they are not tax shelters?
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Several reasons. Their banking jurisprudence is more developed, their currency doesn’t fluctuate, they market themselves well, etc. But mainly it comes down to stability.
 
bellasbane said:
I don’t see how it is possible to be both a disciple of the atheist Ayn Rand and a disciple of Christ. Paul Ryan is clearly a disciple of Ayn Rand. For years he has openly preached her “gospel”. There is so much evidence to support this - videos of him speaking about how much he is influenced by her philosophy, that it must require a huge effort of self delusion to think otherwise.

There are plenty of people on this forum attacking Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi and Kathleen Sebelius and I generally do not defend them when this happens. However, unlike Paul Ryan, I have never heard any of them claim that their support of reproductive rights is in any way an alternative interpretation of Catholic teaching. As far as I know, they use other justifications.
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I agree with almost everything else you say, bellasbane, but I think Paul Ryan’s support of Ayn Rand does not mean he favors an atheistic philosophy, and I’m not really sure what such a philosophy is. Ryan supports her economic philosophy, which may not be such a good one since it places too much emphasis on the wealthy. But I don’t see how that philosophy reflects her atheism.

On a lighter note, look at the names: Ayn R. and Ryan. Maybe that’s why he’s so attracted to her!
 
Ecoclimber said:
**DEMOCRIPS VS. REBLOODICANS
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Ventura likens the political parties to street gangs—calling them “thugs in Brooks Brothers suits”. He invokes admonitions by Thomas Jefferson, John Adams and George Washington about the “evils” of political parties. And he suggests that regardless of political party, by the time a candidate is elected he or she is “bought and paid for” by lobbyists and special interests.
open.salon.com/blog/just-walt/2012/06/21/jesse_ventura_on_democrips_and_rebloodricans
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Jesse Ventura? The guy who wants to prosecute the Catholic Church under the RICO statutes??!! You would do well to quote the views of people who aren’t virulently anti-catholic on a Catholic website.

Ishii
 
The fact remains that the current administration is committed to abortion, gay marriage, and its HHS removes religious liberty, particularly from Catholics. I can’t see any way possible that Obama deserves Catholic support.
 
meltzerboy said:
I agree with almost everything else you say, bellasbane, but I think Paul Ryan’s support of Ayn Rand does not mean he favors an atheistic philosophy, and I’m not really sure what such a philosophy is. Ryan supports her economic philosophy, which may not be such a good one since it places too much emphasis on the wealthy. But I don’t see how that philosophy reflects her atheism.
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When an economic philosophy begin with the premise that there is no God - where does it go from there? This is why Ayn Rand’s philosophy is inherently atheist. She does not see a world populated by people who are all equally loved by their creator, but one that is divided between “prime movers” and “parasites”. There is no moral reason to care for those who cannot care for themselves.
On a lighter note, look at the names: Ayn R. and Ryan. Maybe that’s why he’s so attracted to her!
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THAT is too freaky for words! Nice observation. 😃
 
Havard said:
As far as I’m aware, it’s still at the very least uncharitably speculative, if not actually against forum rules to posit that a politician doesn’t believe what he or she claims to believe:
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You mean like Republicans speculate about Obama’s Christianity, his birth, and whether he is an American?
 
Havard said:
As far as I’m aware, it’s still at the very least uncharitably speculative, if not actually against forum rules to posit that a politician doesn’t believe what he or she claims to believe:
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I’m certain Paul Ryan believes everything he says he believes. He works hard to rationalize his positions. I just think he’s totally off the mark. The media is always saying how smart he is, but I’m not so sure.
 
CMatt25 said:
You mean like Republicans speculate about Obama’s Christianity, his birth, and whether he is an American?
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Without a doubt! Of course, you won’t find such hogwash coming from CAF regulars such as Estes Bob, rlg, Scott LaFrance, et cetera. People who spout off that garbage end up banned. sooner, if not later.
 
Ecoclimber said:
It bothers me and it probably bothers a lot of other Catholics concerning the rancor on this thread. The media has you right where they want you. They are the cat playing with the mouse. To generate revenues, the national media create conflicts for a reason. It sells. Normalcy doesn’t sell. Plain vanilla movies don’t sell. So they create conflict by applying labels to groups and people, taking 15 second sound bites out of context. Do you know what the meaning behind liberal is? Do you know what the meaning behind conservatism? Are you talking about social conservatism or fiscal conservatism? Do you not see how the media pits one extreme element against the other. What about the independent viewpoint? How about the moderate viewpoint? Are there no more conservatives in the Democratic party? No more moderates in the Republican Party?

The power in America belong to the global national corporations with special interest groups, PAC, and powerful lobbyists spending enormous amount of money to shape legislation and policy. We all know that. But, who speaks for the voices that have no voices. I’m speaking about the mentally ill, the homeless, the poor, the sick and infirmed, the elderly… Abortion rights opponents are a voice for those who have no voice but do these other groups have a voice?

Catholic/Christians should not be for one party or the other, as each party is exploiting Catholic/Christians for their own purposes. A Catholic/Christians viewpoint should reflect the teachings and doctrines of Catholic Church including its social, moral and ethical viewpoints irregardless of party affiliations. Our behavior and attitude should reflect those teachings.

That is why my viewpoint reflects an independent affiliation. I cannot in good conscience endorse either party since they do not reflect the teachings of Christ.

Blessings to all,
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This is definitely worth a second read and is something we should all keep in mind!
 
bellasbane said:
I’ve never been to an RCIA program. I am starting to wonder what they are teaching in those things. I teach religious education to the children of our parish who were baptized into the faith as babies - like me! I pass on the faith that was passed on to me by my parents, who received it from their parents, who received it from theirs - as far back as anyone can remember. I’m of Roman stock and the town my father comes from is named for the lance that pierced the side of the Lord. Legend has it that the centurion brought it back with him when he returned home from Palestine.

You can’t seriously believe that St. Peter had anything to say about voting. He wasn’t even a Roman citizen and had trouble enough trying not to get killed too soon. If our Lord hadn’t asked “Quo Vadis?”, he’d have skipped out of Rome to avoid it all together. But that’s just a legend too. It tells you something about Peter though. I grew up hearing those sorts of stories. How about you?

I’m glad you are so passionate about being a good Catholic. Just remember that you don’t own the monopoly on what that means. I am a good Catholic too and equally as passionate in defense of my faith - even to the point of seriously questioning what the Bishops are saying and doing. Certainly enough to go after Paul Ryan! If you know anything about our history, you will know about Saint Catherine of Siena (Doctor of the Church) and understand that pushing back and pointing out politically motivated hypocrisy masquerading as piety is also a traditional part of the being a faithful Catholic.
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Bellesbane, thank you for this and for going after Paul Ryan and from what I can tell by your posting it would appear you must be doing a good job properly catechizing the children you teach in the Catholic faith. God bless you.
 
CMatt25 said:
Bellesbane, thank you for this and for going after Paul Ryan and from what I can tell by your posting it would appear you must be doing a good job properly catechizing the children you teach in the Catholic faith. God bless you.
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God bless you too! The Catholic Church is really a beautiful and amazing thing and full of all sorts of different people. The tough part is that you got to love them all - even the ones who don’t love you back.

Peace & Good night 🙂
 
bellasbane said:
God bless you too! The Catholic Church is really a beautiful and amazing thing and full of all sorts of different people. The tough part is that you got to love them all - even the ones who don’t love you back.

Peace & Good night 🙂
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That’s the problem with liberal catholics : they “go after” good catholics like Paul Ryan, but do nothing when it comes to the Biden’s, Pelosi’s, and Sebelius’ who support abortion on demand and HHS mandate and such. Worse, they question the heart of Ryan - question the sincerity of his Catholic faith which is of course against forum rules. How sad.

Ishii
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
Jesus never “demonized” the rich. He demonized the Pharisees. He does not hate wealth, He hates hypocrisy.
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Jesus said it will be harder for the rich to enter heaven than for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle. So now you have me wondering if He thinks most are hypocrites.
 
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