Paul Ryan!!

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CMatt25 said:
You make some good points about each. But the bishops who do not oppose Ryan’s budget seem to be given more credence here than the ones and the nuns who do question how harsh and humane it is.
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Only two bishops have critiqued the Ryan budget proposal, in a private letter from one to the other that got leaked to the press and has no authority whatever. The complaints were:
  1. That the food stamp INCREASE was to be 8% instead of 12%.
  2. That a $1,000 per child gift to illegal immigrants be eliminated.
As for the two nuns on the “Nuns on the bus” thing, one might ask whether direct involvement in politics, funded by secular political organizations, some of whom also fund abortion-promoting organizations, is properly within their mission as nuns.

What in the world is inhumane about asking wealthy people to pay more than poorer people for their health insurance costs as the Ryan/Wyden plan does? Even Obamacare does that.
 
The Paul Ryan story is (in my mind) a non-story. Does ANYONE know what the VP actually does?

Besides being the tie-breaking vote in the Senate, and being an emergency replacement for the president, not much. He’s a mouthpiece. An extra pair of hands. A nobody.

So, we have a VP and a wannabe VP who are Catholic. Neither of those men will likely have any direct impact on us.

Mr. Biden’s failings are many, and well known; and Mr. Ryan (from Wisconsin, the anti-union state) doesn’t strike me as a man who has any interest in protecting the middle class. Kudos for being ‘pro-life’, but there are a lot of us out here who aren’t fetuses, and are hurting pretty badly. A little protection from Wall Street, unfair labor practices, and outsourcing would be nice.

And as for Mittens… any man who threatens collective bargaining will never get MY vote. No wonder he picked this guy. Two peas in a pod. I don’t care if he IS Catholic. I think we could do better than them.
 
soma said:
By Luiza Oleszczuk , Christian Post Reporter
May 8, 2012|1:51 pm
The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) said Tuesday that the budget cuts on entitlements, supported by Republican politicians ahead of the vote on a reconciliation package for the 2013 budget, are immoral because they would hurt the poor.
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An opinion based on an utterly false premise. The USCCB did NOT say that.
 
soma said:
Paul Ryan is anit-Catholic because he’d kill Medicare. He’d replace Medicare with vouchers for retirees to purchase insurance, eliminating the guarantee of health care for seniors and putting them at the mercy of the private insurance industry. That could amount to a cost increase of more than $5,900 by 2050, leaving many seniors broke or without the health care they need. He’d also raise the age of eligibility to 67. Catholics want to help the poor. Obama is assisting the middle class, the working class and the poor so he is following Jesus and his teachings.
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And I guess Biden and Obama are proCatholic becouse they are porabortion,progay marrage, and pro making everybody dependtent on the government?🤷:confused:
 
You can deny what Christian reporters report, what magazines quote, what the Bishops say and what Jesus says about helping the poor so you can vote for someone that is more interested in helping the rich than the poor. It is your choice.
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
With all due respect to the good Cardinal, whom I love, they didn’t help my family:)
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Nor did the Democrats, in any manner, aid the Salvadoran family I sponsored. On the contrary, the government’s approach was that if any of them got any form of government aid whatever, which i could not control at all, the government would make me pay for it.

That’s how much this government generally and the Democrat party in particular really cares about immigrants. It would rather throw them out on the ground than do anything to encourage people to sponsor them.
 
Wow… GREAT point.
pete_29 said:
Jesus taught US to help the poor. Jesus did not teach that government should take from one and give to another. I’m not sure if this is applicable to anyone here, but simply paying your taxes does not equal charity. Paying taxes is rendering unto Caesar. Giving to the poor of your own free will is rendering unto God. Sometimes I think we forget this.
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soma said:
You can deny what Christian reporters report, what magazines quote, what the Bishops say and what Jesus says about helping the poor so you can vote for someone that is more interested in helping the rich than the poor. It is your choice.
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How many Bishops are opposed to the HHS mandate?

8th request.

Will you make it to 10, or answer the question?

Or abortion?

Or gay “marriage”?
 
Ridgerunner said:
What in the world is inhumane about asking wealthy people to pay more than poorer people for their health insurance costs as the Ryan/Wyden plan does? Even Obamacare does that.
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There is more to Paul Ryan’s budget of which many consider to be inhumane which has been explained to you by others in more than 1500 posts now.
 
Jeffrey said:
You prolly wont get an answer… because that would prove him wrong.
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I’m just trying to wrap my head around how “2 Bishops and nuns on a bus” = “whole USCCB”

but

Multiple, unanimous USCCB press releases, the Cathechism, every Pope of the modern era = no response.
 
I will leave this thread because someone was offended and turn me in for a fraction twice. I am sorry if I offended anyone.
 
CMatt25 said:
There is more to Paul Ryan’s budget of which many consider to be inhumane which has been explained to you by others in more than 1500 posts now.
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Never has anyone produced specific provisions and demonstrated how, exactly, they’re inhumane in actual effect. Lots of talking points. No reality.

I guess you could produce actual provisions and show how, exactly, they will have an inhumane effect if you want to, and can. The two bishops who critiqued it only came up with the two I and others have repeated previously. Perhaps you can do better.
 
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