Paul Ryan!!

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It is remarkable to me how “progressives” are actually living in nostalgia for the past. Instead of being “progressive”, they’re astonishingly “reactionary”. Examples:

No jobs? Well, try to reinstitute labor union dominated pricing of the 1950s when the rest of the world’s industry was in ruins and manufacturers could pass any cost on to consumers. Never mind that you have to tax everybody more or borrow to pay for that trip down memory lane.

Poverty? Nothing better than returning to the confiscatory/redistributive policies of the failed socialist societies and the revolutionary romanticism of the 1930s. Most of all, suppress the middle class “Kulaks”.

Social policy? Easy. Look to Virginia Woolf and Neitsche, as well as the anti-Catholicism of the French Revolution and the reign of Masonic oppressors in Mexico. And, of course, there’s always Sartre and the Marquis de Sade.

Environment? Nothing to it. Never mind incentivizing people in the countryside who actually do protect the environment and control most of it. Better turn to 1962 and “Silent Spring” emotionalism and contrived science. Ban everything you guess or want to think might have an effect on the environment, especially if it’s helpful to people.

Transportation? By golly, if riding bikes for transportation was good enough in Mao’s day for the masses, it’s good enough for American commuters today, unless, of course, they want to drive an updated 1910 electric car that will actually go 30 miles before exhausting its charge instead of 5. And people don’t need to fly from NYC to LA in a few hours when they can ride for two days in a train like Great-Grandpa did.

Energy? Our ancestors shivered in the dark during the winter, wore heavy clothing indoors and didn’t bathe very often due to lack of energy resources and primitiveness thereof. There is no reason why we should not be as conserving and intrepid as they. If we can make utility bills “skyrocket” by making energy hard to get, that ought to do it. And too, our ancestors pumped water with windmills and heated water for washing with sun-warmed tanks on their roofs. The few industries that existed in the 1700s ran on water wheels. We need to return to updated versions of that. And never mind that hundreds of elderly people died in France without air conditioning a few years back during a heat wave. It takes too much energy to keep them alive. But they’re old, and outlived their 1812 life spans anyway.

Race relations? We shouldn’t just be ignoring race as a factor in economic and social relations like the conservatives do. Hispanics and blacks should FEEL THE WEIGHT of their racial and ethnic heritage and find reasons to resent everyone else even if the reasons have to be invented. After all, just because racial oppression can’t be detected, that just means it’s more subtle. We need to talk about chains so they’ll think it’s still 1858. Since they can’t understand regular English, we have to imitate 1890 minstrel show “black accents” when we talk to them.

Food? There’s that energy thing again. It takes fuel to produce it. Better to raise our food with muscle power and make it at least as expensive relative to income as it was in 1850. A very good example can be set if the president pretends to rely on a vegetable garden on the white house grounds. Never mind that he actually eats Wagyu beef that comes all the way from Japan. That’s different. Divine right of kings, and all that.

And (for now) last, but certainly not least. We need to return to the 19th century social organization of Bismarck. Suppress Catholicism whenever possible. Propagandize children in the schools so they will think the government is right in everything and that their existence is unimaginable without government intervention at every turn. Regiment and regulate the society as much as one can. Set up an elitist bureaucracy that regulates every detail of peoples’ lives. And most of all, get in bed with the big capitalists that can help you stay in power…as long as they pay money and lip service to statism.

I have to go out of town today, burning fuel as I go. It’s probably a good thing. Don’t want to get injured by the bombs that will be thrown in response to this half-joking post. 🙂
Bravo, sir!

:clapping:

Few recognize recent events’ eery similarity to Kulturkampf.
 
I’d rather be Romney’s dog on the roof of a car than Obama’s dog that he ate. 😃
I can’t remember where I read it, but someone did say that sure, Romney had a dog on the roof of his car, but Obama had dog on the roof of his mouth!
 
You’ve been silent for a while. Still smarting over my critic of the way you characterized Melinda Gates? I’m sorry if you took it personally - it was just a handy example. 🤷
I stand by my critique of Melinda Gates. She isn’t the topic of this thread though. ANd I applauded at the comment that you spend alot of time thoroughly denouncing Paul Ryan for his acceptance of certain truisms of Ayn Rand (Even Karl Marx got a few things right) while remaining utterly silent on the intrinsic evils supported by people you like, such as Obama, Biden, Pelosi, et al…
 
I stand by my critique of Melinda Gates. She isn’t the topic of this thread though. ANd I applauded at the comment that you spend alot of time thoroughly denouncing Paul Ryan for his acceptance of certain truisms of Ayn Rand (Even Karl Marx got a few things right) while remaining utterly silent on the intrinsic evils supported by people you like, such as Obama, Biden, Pelosi, et al…
Exactly.
 
ANd I applauded at the comment that you spend alot of time thoroughly denouncing Paul Ryan for his acceptance of certain truisms of Ayn Rand (Even Karl Marx got a few things right)
How dull this Forum would be if everyone just accepted Rightist opinions. Forces one to think when one’s views, right or wrong, are challenged. 🙂
 
I stand by my critique of Melinda Gates. She isn’t the topic of this thread though. ANd I applauded at the comment that you spend alot of time thoroughly denouncing Paul Ryan for his acceptance of certain truisms of Ayn Rand (Even Karl Marx got a few things right) while remaining utterly silent on the intrinsic evils supported by people you like, such as Obama, Biden, Pelosi, et al…
I couldn’t have said it better myself. 👍
 
How dull this Forum would be if everyone just accepted Rightist opinions. Forces one to think when one’s views, right or wrong, are challenged. 🙂
I have no problem challenging assumptions. You know I challenge the “right” often (although I more think that the left is wrong more often). What I have a problem with is someone taking on the persona of a persecuted doctor of the church and attacking things that may rightly need to be confronted, while at the same time ignoring things that are far more evil because they favor the political stance of said person.

You, you have criticize Obama, often quite pointedly, even though I know that you generally stand on the left side of the isle. I’ve criticize Bush, often viciously (and I have the suspension record to prove it), even though I generally lean right (conservative-libertarian).
 
I have no problem challenging assumptions. You know I challenge the “right” often (although I more think that the left is wrong more often). What I have a problem with is someone taking on the persona of a persecuted doctor of the church and attacking things that may rightly need to be confronted, while at the same time ignoring things that are far more evil because they favor the political stance of said person.

You, you have criticize Obama, often quite pointedly, even though I know that you generally stand on the left side of the isle. I’ve criticize Bush, often viciously (and I have the suspension record to prove it), even though I generally lean right (conservative-libertarian).
No disagreement from me. That is quite true of you, consistent in your refusal to kow-tow to either us lefties or the prevailing rightists on the Forum. 👍
 
No disagreement from me. That is quite true of you, consistent in your refusal to kow-tow to either us lefties or the prevailing rightists on the Forum. 👍
If you really want to see me get on a roll, start a sidebar discussion of the War Between the States. 😃
 
I stand by my critique of Melinda Gates. She isn’t the topic of this thread though. ANd I applauded at the comment that you spend alot of time thoroughly denouncing Paul Ryan for his acceptance of certain truisms of Ayn Rand (Even Karl Marx got a few things right) while remaining utterly silent on the intrinsic evils supported by people you like, such as Obama, Biden, Pelosi, et al…
👍
 
I have no problem challenging assumptions. You know I challenge the “right” often (although I more think that the left is wrong more often). What I have a problem with is someone taking on the persona of a persecuted doctor of the church and attacking things that may rightly need to be confronted, while at the same time ignoring things that are far more evil because they favor the political stance of said person.
The burden of proof is on bellasbane to prove that more than 1 million people have died every year because of a direct procedure/policy of the “right.” To my knowledge she has not produced such evidence. She has only produced vague, indirect talking points.

Until millions of people are dying in the streets because they are directly denied food, shelter and healthcare, I will have to vote for anyone other than a Democrat.
 
Subsidiarity, solidarity, and the lay mission

madisoncatholicherald.org…op-column.html
Bishop Robert Morlino. Madison:
Dear friends,

It was no shock at all for me to learn that our diocesan native son, Paul Ryan, had been chosen to be a candidate for the Vice Presidency of the United States. I am proud of his accomplishments as a native son, and a brother in the faith, and my prayers go with him and especially with his family as they endure the unbelievable demands of a presidential campaign here in the United States. It is not for the bishop or priests to endorse particular candidates or political parties. Any efforts on the part of any bishop or priest to do so should be set aside. And you can be assured that no priest who promotes a partisan agenda is acting in union with me or with the Universal Church.

It is the role of bishops and priests to teach principles of our faith, such that those who seek elected offices, if they are Catholics, are to form their consciences according to these principles about particular policy issues.

However, the formation of conscience regarding particular policy issues is different depending on how fundamental to the ecology of human nature or the Catholic faith a particular issue is. Some of the most fundamental issues for the formation of a Catholic conscience are as follows: sacredness of human life from conception to natural death, marriage, religious freedom and freedom of conscience, and a right to private property.

Violations of the above involve intrinsic evil — that is, an evil which cannot be justified by any circumstances whatsoever. These evils are examples of direct pollution of the ecology of human nature and can be discerned as such by human reason alone. Thus, all people of good will who wish to follow human reason should deplore any and all violations in the above areas, without exception. The violations would be: abortion, euthanasia and physician-assisted suicide, same-sex marriage, government-coerced secularism, and socialism.
 
Why does the federal government put up signs in the national parks that read, “Don’t feed the animals,” then it turns around and gives out food stamps to humans many of whom could work for a living.
The same thing can be said of Social Security and Medicare. And the bad behavior those two programs have spawned is worse.
 
Everyone has there own biases, prejudices, racism, gluttony, greed and other sins disguised as political speak so they tune out the opposing viewpoints regardless of whether though facts are true on not since it will upset their preconceived views of their own reality. It has nothing to do with facts or truth of the matter. What it does have to do is with people spreading lies often enough that it becomes facts to many people.

Does anyone go to a non-partisan site factcheck.org/ to check the facts on both parties. I bet many seldom do. I put out facts which are truth but people ignore them as it upsets their sense of reality. It is a psychological phenomenon.

There was a comment earlier about the poor needing to work and it was not the responsibility of government to provide assistance because the early church didn’t allow for it nor did Jesus say that the government should be the ones providing assistance. Jesus also didn’t say that government was not suppose to either. This is so out of context, that the exegesis is utterly absurd.

All one has to read are Pope Benedict’s statements and encyclicals to determine the position of the church teachings on these subjects and his vehement condemnation of western civilization focus on materialism and hedonism.

People paint a broad brush over everyone with a tripe comment. It’s seems as though it is taken from the Nazi playbook of Groebels that all undesirables must be eradicated from society. So here is the spin and lies. All people, notice the word ‘All’ people collecting welfare are moochers, parasites, free handout. Do you know how many people who are hard working with college degrees are looking for work and not finding it. Thousands apply in line for minimum wage jobs. Many are turned down because they are over qualified, under qualified, too old, too young, lack job experience etc. They want to work but they can’t find work. Are these the moochers on society, the parasites that people want to label. They have no medical insurance.

Then, there are those who cannot take care of themselves, the bind, the orphans, the widows, children of the poor, the mentally ill, the sick and disabled, the homeless, the elderly. Does the church take care of these people. As Catholic/Christian Church in the first century church they did as St. Paul commanded the Church to do, look after them. Christ teaching and truths are eternal truths and teaching and just not for the first century church. How many people turn the other check, open our homes to the homeless, visit those in prison, Feed the hungry and clothe the naked for our Catholic brothers who lose their job or home in a foreclosure in our diocese?

Base on the spin by the media since many believe it is now not the governments job to help those who cannot be helped who will step up to the plate and provide for them or we do just let them die by the side of the road.

Another, thing to remember the United States was established to prevent one religion or a state religion to dominate society. The people who fled from Europe because of religious persecution establish the Constitution to prevent the occurrence of state run religion. You cannot legislate morality on an immoral world. Change must come from within. The government was not set up as a democratic institution to serve only a select segment of society. It was established to represent all members of the society, rich and poor, black, white, brown, green, yellow of all ethnicities as well as religious persuasion including agnostics and atheists. The government was not set up to become a theocracy of one religion over another. That is not the purpose of a democratic society.

The only way to turn back this hedonistic, narcissistic materialistic society is through evangelism and I don’t mean getting people save but showing the Love and Mercy of God as Jesus demonstrated in the parable of the Good Samaritan.

I’m neither Left nor Right, GOP or Democrat. I’m an Independent applying Catholic/Christian principles to an immoral world
 
Likely voters

Poll: Romney-Ryan leads in VA, OH, FL
swing states by Purple Strategies, taken after Mitt Romney selected Paul Ryan as his running mate, shows Romney leading in three critical swing states – Virginia, Ohio, Florida. Romney trails Obama in the fourth – Colorado – that Purple Strategies polled.

In Virginia and Ohio, Romney has gained ground since last month. In Virginia, a state that may determine the 2012 election, Romney leads Obama by 3 points (48% to 45%). Last month, Romney trailed Obama by two points.

In Ohio, Romney leads Obama by two points (46% to 44%). Last month, Obama led by 3 points, 48% to 45%.

In Colorado, Obama leads 49% to 46%, and that is a 2-point improvement from last month.

In Florida, Romney leads Obama, 48% to 47%. Last month, Obama trailed by 3 points.
Voters in these states think Romney and Ryan are more likely to “bring real change to Washington” by 6 points and that margin, Purple Strategies notes, is 17 points in Romney and Ryan’s favor among independents.

Romney and Ryan face a disadvantage on Medicare, though, the poll found. Voters in these four states, taken together, favored Obama-Biden over Romney-Ryan on Medicare by eight points (48%-40%). However, Romney-Ryan did best on the Medicare question in Florida, which defies what the conventional wisdom has been.

No candidate is above 50 percent in favorability, but Ryan scores the highest (45% to 39%) among the four. Also, Ryan’s selection has helped Romney’s favorable numbers. Among the voters surveyed, 45% viewed Romney favorably while 48% viewed him unfavorably. However, Romney’s favorability rating was a net negative 8 points last month, so Romney’s favorables have improved by 5 points, which is consistent with the gains the newly-formed ticket has seen in Virginia and Ohio.

breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/08/15/New-Poll-Romney-Ryan-Leads-In-VA-OH-FL
 
Maybe some day there will be a nonpartisan fact-checking site, but there is not one today.
 
It is amazes me that people support the GOP who will outsource most jobs still left in America to a communist country. These multi national global corporations do not need America anymore. So why are the people supporting these Global Multi national corporations and thereby supporting the economy of the communist counrty unless they are communist sympathizers. Your jobs are going to be shipped overseas. Ross Perot said the same thing by stating the largest sucking sound you will hear will be jobs leaving this country.

So tell how people will be able to compete with Chinese workers in sweat shops working for $8 dollars a day for a government who refuses to float their currency? You can’t.

That is why all steel mills closed down and went overseas and Pittsbug became known as the ‘Rust Belt’. How about the garment industry when all clothing was outsourced to third world countries employing children in sweat shop conditions. The southern mills and textile mills of New England were shut down. Now we have computer and technology jobs being outsourced to third parties. Coporate America does not need the United States. They are looking at the 3-4 billion population in Asia and China. In 1989, if your view Tinenamen square the majority of the people rode bicycles. Now they have Porches, Lamborghini, Ferrari, BMW etc.

So why are global Multi Natoinal corporations supporting a communist regime if these corporate executives are not sysmpatheic to their cause? Does that alarm anyone? Why has China proped up North Korea? Why had China and Russia voted against every resolution in the security council to stop Iranian and Syrian aggession? Why is China taking over territorial waters from the Philiphine and Vietnam in the South China Sea? Why is China more concern about Sudan interests than our own when we supply them with largest trade surplus in any countries history, provide them with technolical and manufacturing jobs and a huge industrial complex to employ their people. Yet, with all that we provide in the way of jobs, they thumb our nose at us everytime.

Please tell me then how Chinese submarine popped up alongside the U.S.S. KittyHawk in the middle of naval exercises surrounded by a screen of the most technologically advanced naval frigates, destroyers and submarines?

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-492804/The-uninvited-guest-Chinese-sub-pops-middle-U-S-Navy-exercise-leaving-military-chiefs-red-faced.html

The Dong Feng 21D is an unprecedented carrier-killing missile that could be launched from land with enough accuracy to penetrate the defenses of even the most advanced moving aircraft carrier at a distance of more than 1,500 kilometers (900 miles).

Gates said China’s investments in cyber and anti-satellite warfare, anti-air and anti-ship weaponry, along with ballistic missiles, “could threaten America’s primary way to project power” through its forward air bases and carrier strike groups.

It would not be able to get within 900 miles of China to protect Taiwan or the Philippines. Armed Services cancelled orders to build anymore carriers

It would be helpful to click on the actual links to understand the technology

weapons.technology.youngester.com/2010/08/df-21d-chinese-aircraft-carrier-killing.html
 
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