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exoflare
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I don’t think it would.
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Corki
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Don’t these two statements contradict each other?
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maltmom
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I pray and cry for the children.
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Gods_Peace
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The victim is Morality, and Virtue.
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ProdglArchitect
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There are many people with paedophillic desires that struggle with it and make real sacrifices so they don’t succumb to it. Those people are to be commended. Only the ones who give in should be punished; This is much like homosexuality, though i don’t think -we- should punish them, 8t’s their choice after all. In cases of paedophilia though, we should definitely punish the people who act on the urge.
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KerryR
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My husband was abused by his father for 11 years, he lost his education and ability to keep and deal with male friends. Our relationship is a struggle and a learning curve for him on a daily basis (4 years together) he made losses, there was no benefits in this it was abuse. When he tried to resist he was beaten. He came forward, bravely when he suspected his siblings were being abused. He suspected correctly. For multiple abuses his father was locked in an open prison and will be out in 5 years. He abused daily for 11 and the courts asserted he was otherwise ‘of good character’ that kind of statement doesn’t even deserve any further comments. The knock on effects are devastating, Chemical castration??? Full castration. It seems that all deviations are legitimised by their names being written in the medical journals and this is why children are also allowed to behave so poorly in the modern world. Their boundaries are removed by the words ‘He has a diagnosis he can’t help it’
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Nate13
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I agree. Anyone who is still a known threat to society should not be allowed to return to society. A Class 3 sexual predator is someone the State believes is very likely to recommit the crime again, and yet they are allowed in many cases to live right down the block from elementary schools and next door to families with kids. The punishments for sexual predators in some States is still absolutely shameless. A great solution to these weak sentences might be if the sexual predators were assigned to live in the house next door to the judge and his/her family…
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atheistgirl
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Do you have any evidence for what you’re claiming?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Kinsey#cite_note-APobit-33
nndb.com/people/413/000059236/
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Bill_Martin
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I agree with this post.
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SaintPatrick333
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except for the tens of thousands who die from aids because they put things in dirty places where they don’t belong
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atheistgirl
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The OP is about pedophilia and the very first post is linking it, falsely, to homosexuality.
Good grief!
Why should priests not be subjected to the same treatment as ‘‘them’’ whoever they are?
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pete_29
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For a Catholic and other Christians, it’s for the same reason I have to control my horrible temper. They are both sins.
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TimothyH
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No. Three things are intrinsically evil - contraception, abortion and rape. That is the teaching of the Church.
To say that something is “Intrinsic evil” means that there is no good in it at all.
Homosexuality may disordered, and homosexual acts may be abhorrent, but homosexuals may recieve companionship, affirmation of dignity and self worth, and a whole host of other things which are good in an of themselves, even though they come from a disordered sexual tendancy and abhorrent acts. If some good can come from something then it is not intrinsically evil.
Rape, contraception and abortion are intrinsically evil because nothing good comes from them. They are 100% use of another human being for convenience and enjoyment. The subject of the act leaves the object of the act with zero dignity, and turn a person made in the image of God into an object. That is the teaching of the Church.
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Bill_Martin
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I assume interestedman brought up the issue of a victim because of how it relates to legality. As far as legislation is concerned, my immortal soul is none of the government’s business and they should not regulate my actions to force me to do what they think is best for it.
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Catholic80
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The only part I agreed with is that Jesus would embrace the pedophiles, as He embraces every sinner.
I thought it arrogant in the first link that the article said Christ wouldn’t do such a thing because scripture says,
If you haven’t noticed, we are all still here. God hasn’t tied a noose around our necks and thrown us into the sea for our corruption of children? Why? Because God’s mercy is greater than our sin.
Most people who have done heinous crimes have tragic pasts of their own. Most child molesters were molested as children. Sexuality is so corrupted in our society - porn, homosexuality, premarital sex, sleeping around, the “F” word is frequently used, t.v. shows and movies often try to slip at least one sex scene in - or at least imply it, distribution of condoms to teens, abortion, birth control, … and the list goes on… one can easily see how a child, who was molested and never received help or therapy could grow up to commit such an egregious act themselves.
I think of how Christ was especially compassionate to those with sexual sins… The prostitute and the woman at the well for starters. He also drove demons out of many people, including the prostitute. We don’t know what demons other people are fighting. We have no clue what demons a pedophile may be fighting.
What I do know is that Christ told us that whatever you do the rejected, forgotten, scorned, etc, you do unto Him. Could you think of anyone as rejected as a pedophile? I’ve even seen memes saying things like, “why test on rats when there are pedophiles in prison?” That comment is just as sick.
My only hopes with this new “research” is that they unveil that sexual deviations (homosexuality and masturbation included) are, indeed, highly disordered and that they are not okay and in fact cause great harm to oneself and to others.
I thought it arrogant in the first link that the article said Christ wouldn’t do such a thing because scripture says,
But guess what, we are ALL guilty of leading a child astray in one form or another. Who among us has not lost their temper in front of a child, or let a child watch too much t.v., or lost our patience with a child, or said a bad word in front of a child, spoiled a child, lied to a child, or done something that was a bad example or a negative influence on a child? Even the smallest sin is still sin and still corruption of the innocent.
If you haven’t noticed, we are all still here. God hasn’t tied a noose around our necks and thrown us into the sea for our corruption of children? Why? Because God’s mercy is greater than our sin.
Most people who have done heinous crimes have tragic pasts of their own. Most child molesters were molested as children. Sexuality is so corrupted in our society - porn, homosexuality, premarital sex, sleeping around, the “F” word is frequently used, t.v. shows and movies often try to slip at least one sex scene in - or at least imply it, distribution of condoms to teens, abortion, birth control, … and the list goes on… one can easily see how a child, who was molested and never received help or therapy could grow up to commit such an egregious act themselves.
I think of how Christ was especially compassionate to those with sexual sins… The prostitute and the woman at the well for starters. He also drove demons out of many people, including the prostitute. We don’t know what demons other people are fighting. We have no clue what demons a pedophile may be fighting.
What I do know is that Christ told us that whatever you do the rejected, forgotten, scorned, etc, you do unto Him. Could you think of anyone as rejected as a pedophile? I’ve even seen memes saying things like, “why test on rats when there are pedophiles in prison?” That comment is just as sick.
My only hopes with this new “research” is that they unveil that sexual deviations (homosexuality and masturbation included) are, indeed, highly disordered and that they are not okay and in fact cause great harm to oneself and to others.
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Corki
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Even just using the legal definitions, some homosexual acts have victims and some pedophilia acts (or at least ephebophilia acts) are, at least on the surface, consensual.
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Bill_Martin
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If a homosexual act is committed on an unwilling person or someone who is unable to give their consent, then yes there is a victim, just as there would be if the act was a heterosexual one. But 99.9% of the time when people talk about legalizing gay marriage, civil unions, or whatever they call it, they aren’t talking about a situation like that.
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Corki
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Well, you are making my point.
The determination of how to treat the relationship between homosexuality and pedophilia is very muddled. There is no clear distinction using legality, victimology OR psychological definitions. Same-sex marriage or civil unions aren’t really a discussion of the psychological origin of homosexuality although the door was certainly opened with the removal from the DSM.
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Nate13
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I’m going to have to disagree with you on this.
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Homosexual acts are intrinsically evil. Homosexual persons are not. Intrinsically evil means that the object of the action is immoral in and of itself. Fornication, rape, prostitution, homosexual acts, masturbation, contraception, and murder are all intrinsically evil and never justifiable. Intrinsically evil = never justifiable by any intent, circumstance, or assumed good ends.
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CopticChristian
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Mark,
We have come a long way from The CAT scan to MRI.
The early CAT scans were called EMI scans and the evolution to the MRI has been recent.
MRI for the brain is recent and has not always been part of the arsenal for investigation.
What is lost here is that this is investigation, hypothesis and not tried and true fact that it is the way it is for Pedophelia. This is conjecture as far as I can see.
What is also lost here is what is called specificity and Sensitivity. In other words how often will an MRI scan be negative and someone have symptoms of Pedophelia or how often will a symptomatic Pedophiliac have a positive MRI. As far as I can see no one is proposing this as a screening test for Pedophelia.
Let me give an example. Surgery is done for symptoms and not tests. In other words treatment or diagnosis is ordered towards symptoms and then supplemented by supportive studies. Let me give an example. I spoke to someone that told me that they had screened all their employees with Neurodiagnostic studies and had a handful turn up positive for Carpal tunnel. They asked me what to do. First I asked why did you do the study? Next I asked if the positive study testers had symptoms? The point is that testing is usually done for symptoms and surgery is reserved for symptoms not studies.
Relating that to Pedophelia I don’t now how many studies have been done, what the controversies with the study is and if there are alternate opinions.
Look at the DSM removal of homosexuality. This changed because of homosexual psychiatrists and not science. To accept this as “born that way” implicating the homosexual “born that way” would be premature based on studies and research.
A quick look at what is out there proves my point.
When I see suggests, may suggest, we believe etc…it means we don’t know. And then when you find stuff like this…
There are scientists that believe that Pedophelia is not fixed and the same would go for the homosexual.
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