Pell appeal lost today

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I honestly haven’t read the details of this particular case but I am feeling strongly that many of these accusations are false…especially the new allegations in states that are opening up the ‘look back window’ for one year.

My gut feeling is that Cardinal Pell is falsely accused.
 
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I genuinely thought Pell’s conviction would be overturned… or at least he would be granted a retrial. I still cannot understand how he was convicted based on the evidence given. His alleged crimes seem improbable at best.
 
The Australian Courts have found the guilty verdict to be upheld. Its a decision that Catholics must accept and respect. The Melbourne ArchBishop has made a statement. The focus is on the survivors.

I pray this will not define the Catholic Church, either in Australia or globally.

He has recourse to the Australian High Court, I wonder if he will take it or accept this and quietly live out his sentence.
 
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GiftofMercy said:
He has recourse to the Australian High Court, I wonder if he will take it or accept this and quietly live out his sentence.
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I did not realize that he has further legal recourse. I assumed that the appeals court was his final chance. I assume, if he continues to maintain his innocence, that he will appeal to the high court.
 
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Here is the statement by the Melbourne Archbishop, it just came across my FB
https://melbournecatholic.org.au/Ne...oySYyXron7hG0kryiFBSFRo5RmuTL5wcmvKX8lisg1axA
CTBcin said:
I did not realize that he has further legal recourse. I assumed that the appeals court was his final chance. I assume, if he continues to maintain his innocence, that he will appeal to the high court.
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There is a comedy in Australia called ‘The Castle’. It is all about the appeals process. They took their appeal all the way to the High Court and won against the property developers. 🙂

At this point I feel as a Catholic, I must adhere to the statements of the clergy in response to this.

Also There are two precedents here, we listen to and believe those who have been abused and we must be very careful going forward, especially the clergy , in not getting into situations where we can be alone. I pray for your vocation CTBcin
 
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GiftofMercy said:
There is a comedy in Australia called ‘The Castle’. It is all about the appeals process. They took their appeal all the way to the High Court and won against the property developers. 🙂
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Love the reference! 😄

We’ve seen the process before in the Lindy Chamberlain case. She lost in the Appeals court but by the grace of God evidence moved the High Court to vacate the conviction.
 
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I was just listening to how the Australian High Court appeals process works. So he has to seek leave to appeal, If this is granted by the High Court then there needs to be reasons found in the documents to enable an appeal. It will be a lengthy process if it happens. He will never appeal against the length of his sentence, so it will be against the conviction itself, if it happens.

The Vatican has made a statement now, that he has always maintained his innocence and it is his right to appeal.
 
Divine3 said:
God help the people who have done this to Cardinal Pell. Just wait to God’s Justice begins for them. Poor Australia… You might have some ugly weather this year.
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What??? lol Some people are out of touch with reality. How about the poor victim who was abused by Pell?
 
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God help the people who have done this to Cardinal Pell. Just wait to God’s Justice begins for them. Poor Australia… You might have some ugly weather this year.
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That’s an insult to Australia and the Australian legal system which has given Pell all the chances available to clear his name. But seeing as you think this will affect the weather, maybe we should treat your comment with the authority it deserves.
 
Wozza said:
That’s an insult to Australia and the Australian legal system which has given Pell all the chances available to clear his name.
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You would think someone this innocent would take the stand at least once to make sure everyone understood.
 
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Wozza:
That’s an insult to Australia and the Australian legal system which has given Pell all the chances available to clear his name.
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You would think someone this innocent would take the stand at least once to make sure everyone understood.
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I’ve seen Pell talk a number of times on Australian TV. At length. And I have seen him in adversarial conversations. One memorable one with Richard Dawkins.

Let me say that he does not come out looking well if his views are contradicted. He becomes gruff and confrontational. He is quick to anger. He becomes visibly frustrated and impatient with those who hold opposing views. Which says absolutely nothing about whether he is a good man or not. It’s simply a part of his character.

He would be the worst type of person to put in the stand as a means to bolster his defence. Any half decent barrister would prompt him into showing sides of his character that would sway a jury against him

His defence team made the right call for the right reasons. But with hindsight…?
 
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I see what you’re saying but if you’re TRULY INNOCENT of these charges and you know it’s a close decision you have to get up there under oath and defend yourself. I think he’s guilty though and this proves it further for me. Prayers to him. We all need God’s mercy.
 
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I take a disinterested approach. Australia is a Rule of Law country, and it’s justice system merits we at least treat it with respect. I was not on the Jury, and did not hear all the evidence so I cannot give an opinion on whether I think he is innocent or guilty. He is entitled to exhaust the appeals process. It is up to him to do so. What we can do is pray for all concerned.
 
I don’t believe Cardinal Pell is guilty. It is a gross miscarriage of justice. The Lancaster Witch trial from the 17th century springs to mind. I think Cardinal Pell made some powerful enemies when he was involved with the Vatican banking also.
 
The words of the late US Cardinal George come to mind:

Later in 2010, George further outlined the degree to which he believed religious freedoms in the United States and other Western societies were endangered. In a speech to a group of priests, he said, "I expect to die in bed, my successor will die in prison and his successor will die a martyr in the public square.
 
And that’s why people have legal teams. As often as not, defending oneself hurts your case. Hindsight is 20/20 now, but the implication that somehow if he was innocent, he would have taken the stand is nonsense, especially in the legal sense.

Lots of innocent people don’t take the stand, and many are acquitted.
 
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