Pentecostal View Towards Catholics?

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fhansen said:
When I attended an Assembly of God church it was believed there that Catholics were in great darkness.
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Hi fh,

They partly speak from experience…their own. When I attended/belonged to an A of G church, 60% were x Catholics…one was a very sweet nun (she said she was a Nicodemus, not born again as a Catholic)…so they speak of themselves , relatively speaking to their days in Catholicism.

Blessings

PS understand the switch goes both /many ways…that is P’s converting to CC also.
 
benhur said:
Hi fh,

They partly speak from experience…their own. When I attended/belonged to an A of G church, 60% were x Catholics…one was a very sweet nun (she said she was a Nicodemus, not born again as a Catholic)…so they speak of themselves , relatively speaking to their days in Catholicism.

Blessings

PS understand the switch goes both /many ways…that is P’s converting to CC also.
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Yes, I was an ex-Catholic myself at the time. Now I’m an ex-ex-Catholic :), whose come to believe that there’s much more light in Catholicism than elsewhere, even as I know that the light can still shine in non-Catholic denominations…
 
fhansen said:
Yes, it was just the old faith alone vs works-righteousness argument for the most part. And believing that the Church stood between man and God, interfering with direct relationship.
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Hi fh,

They may say that secondarily, but primarily, they were simply born again in another church, or thru a person or teaching from another church(A of G). Don’t think they then seek to justify anything, but for sure contemplate the before and after, and certainly come to some deduction about their “experience”…but yes, you hit the nail on the head for many of them as to why they think they were born again here (Aof G) and not there (CC).

Blessings

PS Again, that rationale could apply to many people in many churches, some thru the fault of the church (particular doctrine or practice) and some not (a personal misapplication of doctrine/practice), or a mix.
 
fhansen said:
Yes, I was an ex-Catholic myself at the time. Now I’m an ex-ex-Catholic :), whose come to believe that there’s much more light in Catholicism than elsewhere, even as I know that the light can still shine in non-Catholic denominations…
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Ok …Thanks for sharing…can understand the attraction to CC, but still feel all needs can be filled otherwise though more difficult

Blessings
 
benhur said:
Hi fh,

They partly speak from experience…their own. When I attended/belonged to an A of G church, 60% were x Catholics…one was a very sweet nun (she said she was a Nicodemus, not born again as a Catholic)…so they speak of themselves , relatively speaking to their days in Catholicism.

Blessings

PS understand the switch goes both /many ways…that is P’s converting to CC also.
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Go both ways, it does.

A book review in Touchstone Magazine posed the question, Who would like to read a book about someone’s breakup with his ex-girlfriend?

(I guess that was in the heyday of "Who wants to be a millionaire?"and all its copycats.)
 
Peter_J said:
Go both ways, it does.

A book review in Touchstone Magazine posed the question, Who would like to read a book about someone’s breakup with his ex-girlfriend?

(I guess that was in the heyday of "Who wants to be a millionaire?"and all its copycats.)
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So about fallen away Catholics:

I [Me here]

Wonder If:
  1. They read the bible?
  2. If they are ABLE to actually understand it?🤷
For example how might they translate or understand this teaching?

Heb 6: 4-8

" [4] For it is impossible for those who were once illuminated, have tasted also the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, [5] Have moreover tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, [6] And are fallen away: to be renewed again to penance, crucifying again to themselves the Son of God, and making him a mockery. [7] For the earth that drinketh in the rain which cometh often upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is tilled, receiveth blessing from God. [8] But that which bringeth forth thorns and briers, is reprobate, and very near unto a curse, whose end is to be burnt."

DOUAY Bible explanation of verses 1 & 4

[1] The word of the beginning: The first rudiments of the Christian doctrine.

[4] It is impossible: The meaning is, that it is impossible for such as have fallen after baptism, to be again baptized; and very hard for such as have apostatized from the faith, after having received many graces, to return again to the happy state from which they fell.

THAT anyone who actually understands that Leaving the RCC is factually abandoning GOD [Jesus Christ in person through the Real Presence] for ANY reason, is certainly in need of our prayers. AMEN! And HOW can they NOT know this?

GB
 
PJM said:
So about fallen away Catholics:

I [Me here]

Wonder If:
  1. They read the bible?
  2. If they are ABLE to actually understand it?🤷
For example how might they translate or understand this teaching?

Heb 6: 4-8

" [4] For it is impossible for those who were once illuminated, have tasted also the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, [5] Have moreover tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, [6] And are fallen away: to be renewed again to penance, crucifying again to themselves the Son of God, and making him a mockery. [7] For the earth that drinketh in the rain which cometh often upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is tilled, receiveth blessing from God. [8] But that which bringeth forth thorns and briers, is reprobate, and very near unto a curse, whose end is to be burnt."

DOUAY Bible explanation of verses 1 & 4

[1] The word of the beginning: The first rudiments of the Christian doctrine.

[4] It is impossible: The meaning is, that it is impossible for such as have fallen after baptism, to be again baptized; and very hard for such as have apostatized from the faith, after having received many graces, to return again to the happy state from which they fell.

THAT anyone who actually understands that Leaving the RCC is factually abandoning GOD [Jesus Christ in person through the Real Presence] for ANY reason, is certainly in need of our prayers. AMEN! And HOW can they NOT know this?

GB
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Hi PJM,

It all goes both ways, the wondering. Did they read the bible as Catholics, and with understanding…fully illuminated, tasting the heavenly gift, partakers of the Holy Ghost (even speaking in tongues and other such powers) ?

Again, many x’es get illuminated outside the CC by happenstance…that is, they did not go looking/seeking for it.

They understand the verse the same way you do (#1, #4). They do not think themselves as fallen away, for you have to be born again to fall away, and they would say they never were born again , at infancy.

Blessings
 
benhur said:
It all goes both ways, the wondering.
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Yeah. To be honest the more time I spend on CAF, the more I wonder how things are on PAF or whatever. Like whether people there say that Catholics are led by the devil, as was recently claimed on CAF about Protestants? Or that the “heterosexual person” is a myth?

Maybe I’ll check it out one of these days.
 
Melodeonist said:
Last year I met a Pentecostal at my College. He was a nice guy, but one thing that has been stuck in my mind ever since was that he mentioned something along the lines (and I could be remembering here) that either he was a Christian or he said something that seemed to insinuate that Catholics aren’t Christians.

I’m more puzzled by the latter partial-memory of the conversation. Why do Pentecostals believe this if I understood him right and didn’t misremember the conversation?
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It’s a very subjective thing for Pentecostal Christians, no doubt. Some may believe that, while others do not. As a church,Pentecostal Christians certainly have no official teaching on whether the Catholic Church is a Christian Church. Silly notion if one thinks about it…For anyone to insist that the Catholic Church is not a Christian Church is to insist that Christianity did not begin until the 16th century protestant reformation. If the Catholic Church was never a Christian church then why the need for the protestant reformation…What were they trying to reform…Again, kind of silly…🙂
 
benhur said:
Hi PJM,

It all goes both ways, the wondering. Did they read the bible as Catholics, and with understanding…fully illuminated, tasting the heavenly gift, partakers of the Holy Ghost (even speaking in tongues and other such powers) ?

Again, many x’es get illuminated outside the CC by happenstance…that is, they did not go looking/seeking for it.

They understand the verse the same way you do (#1, #4). They do not think themselves as fallen away, for you have to be born again to fall away, and they would say they never were born again , at infancy.

Blessings
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Unfortunately it is GOD, not us that makes the judgment call.

Because God commits himself to offer ALL “sufficient grace” to merit their salvation; its safe to say ANYONE and everyone Baptized, Confirmed and having received JESUS Himself in Catholic Holy Communion has been offered MORE than what is “sufficient” and therefore ought to take Heb 6:4-10 VERY seriously:o

GBY
 
PJM said:
Unfortunately it is GOD, not us that makes the judgment call.

Because God commits himself to offer ALL “sufficient grace” to merit their salvation; its safe to say ANYONE and everyone Baptized, Confirmed and having received JESUS Himself in Catholic Holy Communion has been offered MORE than what is “sufficient” and therefore ought to take Heb 6:4-10 VERY seriously:o

GBY
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Hi PJM,

Lol , but many P churches are called something like “Abundant New Life Fellowship” or something similar…

but really, can you tell the difference after a church lets out, or Monday morning at the office water cooler etc, which believer had communion at a CC, and which at a P church, or an O ? Which church has folks walking in abundant new life ? and what is abundant new life ? Are miracles and gifts of the Holy Spirit and joyous praise limited to any denomination ?

Hebrews is to be taken seriously by any believer, in any denomination, who rejects the faith, and not necessarily a Baptist who switches to Lutheranism , or one to Orthodoxy , or a C to Anglicanism…yet if one insinuates that one or the other is not a Christian church, then you have a point.

Blessings
 
benhur said:
Hi PJM,

Lol , but many P churches are called something like “Abundant New Life Fellowship” or something similar…

but really, can you tell the difference after a church lets out, or Monday morning at the office water cooler etc, which believer had communion at a CC, and which at a P church, or an O ? Which church has folks walking in abundant new life ? and what is abundant new life ? Are miracles and gifts of the Holy Spirit and joyous praise limited to any denomination ?

Hebrews is to be taken seriously by any believer, in any denomination, who rejects the faith, and not necessarily a Baptist who switches to Lutheranism , or one to Orthodoxy , or a C to Anglicanism…yet if one insinuates that one or the other is not a Christian church, then you have a point.

Blessings
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“Can you tell the difference”?

God and ME would certainly HOPE so:thumbsup:

But you’re point is sadly too valid:o

GBY
 
Peter_J said:
Yeah. To be honest the more time I spend on CAF, the more I wonder how things are on PAF or whatever. Like whether people there say that Catholics are led by the devil, as was recently claimed on CAF about Protestants? Or that the “heterosexual person” is a myth?
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P.S. Okay, maybe the Protestant Answers Forum is not quite like that, but you get the idea.
 
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