Performing sin is just matter of time

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Tendencies to perform a sin or not to perform a sin are even in absence of temptation and moral obligation. Moral obligation and temptation work against each other. We perform sin if there is no moral obligation. Therefore performing sin is just matter of time when temptation is stronger than moral obligation.
 
Yep, that pretty much sums it up 😃
I would add that we can sin even when a moral obligation exists if we ignore that obligation. We’re very good at that.
 
STT said:
Tendencies to perform a sin or not to perform a sin are even in absence of temptation and moral obligation.
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It is impossible to know whether tendencies to perform a sin or not to perform a sin are evenly balanced. How could we possibly measure them?
Moral obligation and temptation work against each other. We perform sin if there is no moral obligation.
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If we sincerely believe there is no moral obligation we are not guilty of sin in that context although we may be responsible for our ignorance.
Therefore performing sin is just matter of time when temptation is stronger than moral obligation.
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Non sequitur. If temptation is stronger than moral obligation we cannot sin because we are not responsible for our behaviour in that context.
 
tonyrey said:
It is impossible to know whether tendencies to perform a sin or not to perform a sin are evenly balanced. How could we possibly measure them?
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It is unreasonable to rule out the possibility of grace, i.e. divine help.
If we sincerely believe there is no moral obligation we are not guilty of sin in that context although we may be responsible for our ignorance.
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In other words it is impossible to know for certain to what extent we are responsible for our behaviour.
Non sequitur. If temptation is stronger than moral obligation we cannot sin because we are not responsible for our behaviour in that context.
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In a court of law ignorance is no defence but extenuating circumstances are taken into account. As moral issues are more difficult to address the Catholic Church wisely teaches that our ultimate authority is our conscience.

There is no reasonable ground for the fatalistic, Puritanical assumption that the dice are loaded against us and committing a sin is just a matter of time…
 
It could be argued that the Crucifixion of Christ proves that committing sin is just matter of time but it doesn’t follow that **all **the individuals involved had to act in the way they did. Some one else could have betrayed Jesus and the Roman soldiers could have refused to nail Him to the Cross but they would have been replaced by others. **No particular person **is ever compelled to commit a sin.
 
tonyrey said:
It could be argued that the Crucifixion of Christ proves that committing sin is just matter of time but it doesn’t follow that **all **the individuals involved had to act in the way they did. Some one else could have betrayed Jesus and the Roman soldiers could have refused to nail Him to the Cross but they would have been replaced by others. **No particular person **is ever compelled to commit a sin.
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NB The Crucifixion was an exceptional event ordained by God to liberate us from evil. It cannot be used as a general rule to prove committing sin is just a matter of time. There is no reason to suppose our first ancestors were **compelled **to act against their conscience.
 
tonyrey said:
It is impossible to know whether tendencies to perform a sin or not to perform a sin are evenly balanced. How could we possibly measure them?
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It is only balanced when moral obligation and temptation balanced. We qualitatively know when this happens.
tonyrey said:
If we sincerely believe there is no moral obligation we are not guilty of sin in that context although we may be responsible for our ignorance.
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We are not God therefore we will never become perfect. This means that we will always do sin.
tonyrey said:
Non sequitur. If temptation is stronger than moral obligation we cannot sin because we are not responsible for our behaviour in that context.
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That is not non sequitur. Could you please elaborate on the second sentence?
 
tonyrey said:
It is unreasonable to rule out the possibility of grace, i.e. divine help.
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That simply helps moral obligation.
tonyrey said:
In other words it is impossible to know for certain to what extent we are responsible for our behaviour.
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We know well that we are responsible when we do sin.
tonyrey said:
As moral issues are more difficult to address the Catholic Church wisely teaches that our ultimate authority is our conscience.
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This we have already discussed. Our conscience is nothing more than wisdom.
tonyrey said:
There is no reasonable ground for the fatalistic, Puritanical assumption that the dice are loaded against us and committing a sin is just a matter of time…
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It is fatal if you are supposed to live to the edge of eternity.
 
tonyrey said:
NB The Crucifixion was an exceptional event ordained by God to liberate us from evil. It cannot be used as a general rule to prove committing sin is just a matter of time. There is no reason to suppose our first ancestors were **compelled **to act against their conscience.
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That doesn’t make sense. Jesus wouldn’t be killed if he could live in USA now.
 
STT said:
That doesn’t make sense. Jesus wouldn’t be killed if he could live in USA now.
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Why? People get killed everyday in the USA for irrational reasons. Why would Jesus be exempt?
 
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Then you agree that He wouldn’t be killed if he incarnated nowadays?
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No I don’t agree. Humans are the same as they were 2000 years ago. Many, if not most, would condemn Jesus today, as they did then, for exactly the same reasons.
 
davidv said:
No I don’t agree. Humans are the same as they were 2000 years ago. Many, if not most, would condemn Jesus today, as they did then, for exactly the same reasons.
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👍 To think otherwise is to ignore the reality of evil which causes all the suffering in the world.
 
davidv said:
No I don’t agree. Humans are the same as they were 2000 years ago. Many, if not most, would condemn Jesus today, as they did then, for exactly the same reasons.
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So you believe that performing sin is just matter of time.
 
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