Perhaps my time here is over

[kalt]

“I find I am feeling differently about Catholics since being here, and I don’t like it.”

So you prefer timid Catholics who don’t stand up for their beliefs?

How in the world can one feel differently about millions of members of a religion based on reading the posts of a few members (fewer than 2 dozen) on an Internet board, unless that person is predisposed to feeling that way about the milliions? You’re not treating Catholics as individuals, but as representatives of a whole, so that anything that one does is representative of all the others, and of the religion itself.

You came here only to find some good ammunition to use against us–specifically those of us Catholics who were once Jewish–so don’t try to sound like you’re the one taking the high road, as if you were after open and honest eccumenical discourse, for understanding and to improve relations between our two religions.

 

[jmcrae]

But I assume you believe God can resurrect anyone at whatever age He wants.

What I believe is that Jesus is God, first of all, and that He did not “possess” an already-existing soul, but was created new in His human nature, after the manner of Adam.

I can see where you got your idea (“Where he is, I will go”) and although this is, in fact, a prophecy about the general Resurrection, it does not actually mean that David’s first son with Bathsheba was Jesus - because that would mean that Jesus was conceived into His human nature not only in Original Sin but also in the actual sin of adultery - and although technically that may be possible, it is certainly not fitting - and also makes no sense, theologically.

 

[jmcrae]

Hi CarolsDaughter,

I know nothing of Judaism, but I’m curious about the observation of the Sabbath because of postings from Seventh Day Adventists on this forum. Where are the “rules” to abide by when it comes to the Sabbath? What kinds of things are considered ok? How about driving (since the OT obviously doesn’t say anything about it!)? I guess the bottom line is how do you know what exactly is ok and what isn’t?

Thanks!

I have an Orthodox Jewish friend who keeps his housekeys in his pockets so as never to be more than “a Sabbath day’s walk” from his home, no matter where he is on the Sabbath. Apparently, if you have something that belongs to your house with you, then you are considered to be “at home.” (His wife and children might disagree with that, though - I think that they think he is away from them. But to be fair to him, he is only away from home on the Sabbath if business strictly requires it of him.)

 

[FaithofAbraham]

What I believe is that Jesus is God, first of all, and that He did not “possess” an already-existing soul, but was created new in His human nature, after the manner of Adam.

I can see where you got your idea (“Where he is, I will go”) and although this is, in fact, a prophecy about the general Resurrection, it does not actually mean that David’s first son with Bathsheba was Jesus - because that would mean that Jesus was conceived into His human nature not only in Original Sin but also in the actual sin of adultery - and although technically that may be possible, it is certainly not fitting - and also makes no sense, theologically.

Original Sin doesn’t mean you are a sinner or bad in some way, but have the curse of Adam that causes aging and physical death. And Jesus did die on the cross.

And Jews did think even a helpless baby who was a mamzer was scum of the earth, a lot still do:

Isaiah 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

But resurrection is being conceived by God and Born Again which renews all that:

1 Corinthians 15:42-43 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

And so Jesus said:

Luke 7:28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.

 

[MrS]

My understanding is that there is no truly practicing Jew in the entire world.

To be such, one would have to go to the temple, and there is no temple.

Big problem, huh?

 

[FaithofAbraham]

Please explain was “resurrected” into Mary?

God Bless

God resurrected Jesus from the dead child of David and Bathsheba into Mary’s womb. Like He raises these bones here:

Ezekiel 37:4-5 Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD. Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:

If Adam returned to dust and bones in death…

Quran 3:59 Lo! the likeness of Jesus with Allah is as the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then He said unto him: Be! and he is.

 

[Valke2]

For over 2000 years, the only authentic form of Judaism was what is now called Orthodox Judaism. For 2000 years, the only authentic form of Catholicism was Traditional Catholicism.

Reform represents a break with genuine Judaism. There are many Catholics who feel similarly about Catholicism since Vatican 2.

When I said what I did, I simply stated the truth: in time, the nonreligious/liberal Jews will be a footnote on the pages of history, because the only Jewish groups that are growing exponentially (both in terms of converts and natural growth due to large families) are the Orthodox ones.

Without growth, you die.

that’s not really true. Or at least there has always been debates and very different ways of looking at Judaism within traditional Judiams. As I am sure you have seen in your studies, there have been conflicting schools of thought on a wide variety of topics relevant to Judaism, including whether God gave Moses the entire TOrah at Sinai, as an example. And these debates/disagreements aren’t 150 years old. They are 1,900 years old. Or older.

I agree that without growth you die. This is why we have reform and Conservative Judaism. It is part of the evolution of our tradition. If you think that ORthodox Judiasm has remained even remotely constant over the last 1,000 years, you are mistaken. Over the last 500 years? no. Over the last 150 years? eh.

 

[iamrefreshed]

Do you understand what a Jewish countermissionary is? We do NOT try to get Gentiles to leave their nonJewish religions, we simply try to RETURN Jews to the religion of their BIRTHRIGHT.

Jews, unlike Gentiles, have a DIVINE COVENANT with God, which is eternal. It is not the same as a “religion”, though it is seen that way by others.

Gentiles are free to adopt any religion they wish; this is because they do not have a Divine Covenant with God.

The Messiah will not come until all Jews are truly following the Torah God commanded us to follow. If they join pagan and other non-Jewish religions and stop keeping Torah, this will not happen.

If a Gentile TRULY loves the Jewish people as they often claim to, they will encourage all Jews to STAY JEWISH and keep Torah.

No you’re not evangelizing
No ‘mine is better than your here’

Just like that sweet old JW lady who visits me

 

[kell0618]

I only found this forum a few days ago, while doing an online Google for customs and legends surrounding Holy Week (I was looking up something my late mother had told me years ago).

That online search led me to this forum, where there was a thread about the subject I was researching.

I have to say that, until I came here, I had never once in my 48 yrs had a Roman Catholic proselytize me. That was a major reason why I have always felt far closer to Catholics than to Protestant fundamentalists (many of whom have disgusted me with their blatant attempts to proselytize me, including a “born again” nurse who had the nerve to try to missionize me in the hospital room where my mother lay terminally ill.)

I really thought Catholics were different, nicer, more respectful of the beliefs of others (at least in more modern times, anyway). And with many of you, that is the case.

What Christians don’t realize is, when you shove your beliefs onto others even after they clearly inform you they are not interested (and in fact, can adequately show why they don’t believe in your faith), you really turn people off.

I have worked with devout Catholics in both the pro-life and homeschool communities, and we have always gotten along so well. We have found much common ground on moral issues. And none have ever tried to proselytize me.

I find I am feeling differently about Catholics since being here, and I don’t like it. I want to believe that (most) Catholics are truly decent people who learned their lessons from the days of the Inquisition, and who believe in the American princple of respect for the religions of others.

But I think for me to return to the feelings I had previously, I need to leave this forum. I wish that were not true, but it seems it is.

I have been a countermissionary for almost 30 years. This means I have done volunteer work to get impressionable young Jews out of cults, and yes, out of mainstream Christian and other non-Jewish groups as well. We have had a very high success rate.

But I am also active in the ecumenical mvmt, which means I work to try to find common ground between Jews and Christians. Because of this, I work to help Jews understand Christianity, and to help Christians understand Judaism. There is too much hate and bigotry on BOTH sides, and I work to help end this.

But it won’t end until the “my religion is better than yours” business stops. I doubt that will happen any time soon here, so I have to say Shalom to you all.

Shalom aleichem/pax vobiscum,

Carol’s Daughter

Online forums are not good places to judge anyone. Out of one billion world-wide, how many do you think are so disagreeable?

Take a break. Visit forums other than the non-Catholics one. Stop visiting the forums altogether; whatever you believe you need to do. If the early Christians had judged the early Church by the actions of Judas, there would be no Christian Church. Pray and ask the Holy Spirt to be your guide.

By the way, when you come to a forum entitled ‘Catholic Answers’ you are silly to expect anything to be encouraged contrary to Catholic teaching. If you want feel good conversations 24/7 you will not find them here. If someone is rude to you, ignore them. If they cross the line, report them.

Peace

 

[CarolsDaughter]

My understanding is that there is no truly practicing Jew in the entire world.

To be such, one would have to go to the temple, and there is no temple.

Big problem, huh?

Then you do not understand Judaism. Check out Proverbs 16:6, and also my sig line quote for more info.

 

[twopekinguys]

Anyone who has left Judaism, did so of there own choice. Like I said previously, I have never seen anyone being dragged to the Baptismal Font.

By you trying to turn them back to Traditional Judaism, aren’t you in fact proselytizing them? Why else would you be coming to a Catholic board, Baptist, or whomever?

Just so I know where you’re coming from; If you are/were unahppy with the proselytizing why not just stop coming? What purpose does starting a thread and announcing your possible departure serve? Could it be just one form of proselytizing on your part?

 

[iamrefreshed]

For someone who was leaving yesterday you sure have stuck around awhile to tell everyone how wrong they are!

 

[jmcrae]

Anyone who has left Judaism, did so of there own choice. Like I said previously, I have never seen anyone being dragged to the Baptismal Font.

Neither have I, and I know that we are always very careful (frustratingly so, for many converts) to ensure that no one comes to the Baptismal font without fully knowing exactly why they are doing so. It is not good enough merely to be emotionally attracted to the Church, or to be married to someone who is a Catholic.

 

[CarolsDaughter]

Anyone who has left Judaism, did so of there own choice. Like I said previously, I have never seen anyone being dragged to the Baptismal Font.

By you trying to turn them back to Traditional Judaism, aren’t you in fact proselytizing them? Why else would you be coming to a Catholic board, Baptist, or whomever?

Just so I know where you’re coming from; If you are/were unahppy with the proselytizing why not just stop coming? What purpose does starting a thread and announcing your possible departure serve? Could it be just one form of proselytizing on your part?

Jews were forced to be baptized in the Middle Ages. Some of my mother’s ancestors from Spain were Jews who had to leave Spain to save their lives because they refused to become Catholics.

Don’t they teach the history of the Inquisition in Catholic schools?

 

[jmcrae]

For someone who was leaving yesterday you sure have stuck around awhile to tell everyone how wrong they are!

I think she’s waiting for us to beg her to stay.

 

[blossom02]

I think she’s waiting for us to beg her to stay.

That kind of thing is totally uncalled for.

saying things like this is not the kind of catholics should say.

 

[kalt]

Jews were forced to be baptized in the Middle Ages. Some of my mother’s ancestors from Spain were Jews who had to leave Spain to save their lives because they refused to become Catholics.

Don’t they teach the history of the Inquisition in Catholic schools?

Are you now implying that we don’t know about he InquisitionS. There were more than one, you know.

How many people were killed in the InquisitionS?

 

[twopekinguys]

Jews were forced to be baptized in the Middle Ages. Some of my mother’s ancestors from Spain were Jews who had to leave Spain to save their lives because they refused to become Catholics.

Don’t they teach the history of the Inquisition in Catholic schools?

First, I am a convert, and didn’t go to Catholic schools. Second, I learned alot about the Inquisition, like the fact that it happened several hundred years ago. (Spanish inquisition 1478) Which, by the way, was instituted by the Spanish monarchy, to maintain Catholic Orthodoxy. It was not instituted by the Catholic Church. There is a difference.

Now that I have addressed your concerns, would you care to address the rest of the ones I posted for you, that you seem to have overlooked?

 

[kalt]

That kind of thing is totally uncalled for.

saying things like this is not the kind of catholics should say.

It was a Good-bye-cruel-world post, though. And that kind of post isn’t taken seriously. If the OP didn’t like the forums,he would have left without comment. There’s a reason he posted before leaving, and they stayed around to see what affect the gbcw post had on the Catholics who post here. I’ve seen this done so many times. It’s nothing new.

 

[twopekinguys]

I agree Kalt. In fact, I asked Carols Daughter about her departure statement in a previous post. As of now, I think we are still waiting for an answer.