Perry orders anti-cancer vaccine for schoolgirls

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Looks like Texas is going to be the first state to mandate that young girls get this vaccine against the sexually transmitted virus that causes cervical cancer.
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I hate the fact that are society thinks it is okay to tell everyone “well get this vaccine because we know your going to have sex anyone so this will save us all money down the road”. Education is the key. Educate girls about what STD can do to you bodies and sex in general! Also have faith in girls. Educate!!!

I also have a problem with the drug company being the one to lobby for the mandate. Yes they spent alot of money but how much are they going to make??? Well the schools let parents know that they can opt out of the vaccine or are they going to push it under the table so you to have ask for the infomation or are they going to be told?
 
In Texas parents can opt out of any or all vaccines, but the school districts don’t convey that info or give any assistance in doing it.

I am seriously worried about our culture.
 
I don’t understand why people are opposed to life-saving vaccines.

Good for Gov. Perry. At least somebody in this ridiculous state has a little bit of common sense.
 
Benedictus said:
I don’t understand why people are opposed to life-saving vaccines.

Good for Gov. Perry. At least somebody in this ridiculous state has a little bit of common sense.
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Exactly! As if every woman with cancer of the cervix was struck down by promiscuity. It’s a vaccine that can prevent horrible suffering and it seems that the resistance to it may be rooted in misogyny. Because if there was an STD that caused cancer of the penis, and a vaccination for it was found, you can bet they’d be lining them up to get it.
 
I agree that education is the key. We don’t need vaccines, we need education! These school girls need to know that if they have sex there is a chance that they’ll get an STD and that STD could lead to cancer in the future.
 
The vaccine is useful.

I am in favor of it. I have an aunt, and also a great aunt who died of this ravaging disease years ago, both married rather young and I doubt either one was promiscuous. In those days it was not known to be from a virus transmitted by the husbands.

No one can predict the course of human events, some times there are rapes, sometimes people change their values and behavior in different life stages. Young people can be sometimes fickle and sometimes rebellious. We are not all perfect, that’s why we have confession to begin redeeming ourselves.

My long life has been a series of twists and turns, I could not have predicted that I would have come 'round to the beliefs and practices I have today, I needed laws to protect me from myself.

Perhaps if this virus is carried by men, it would make sense to require boys to accept the vaccine as well, for the sake of innocent people everywhere.
 
Thekla said:
Exactly! As if every woman with cancer of the cervix was struck down by promiscuity. It’s a vaccine that can prevent horrible suffering and it seems that the resistance to it may be rooted in misogyny. Because if there was an STD that caused cancer of the penis, and a vaccination for it was found, you can bet they’d be lining them up to get it.
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Thekla, I am not in favor of this vaccine, and as a mother of three girls whom I love with my whole heart, and as a woman, I really cannot be accused of misogyny. Because I love my daughters, I consider it an enormous insult (that word is not strong enough but it’s the best I can come up with) to give them this vaccine. It is given with the assumption that either they are going to be promiscuous, or that they are going to marry someone who was or is promiscuous. What my daughters will be taught is that there are many, many dangers to premarital sex, and that unfortunately, by their nature, most of these dangers harm women more than men. I will tell them that I believe they will make the right choices in their future, and will do what I can to help them make the right choices, but that if they decide that they cannot or do not want to live a chaste life (our society, after all, makes every effort to keep them from doing so), then they are choosing a lifestyle that carries with it serious risk to their physical and emotional health and to their future, and that will, by their free choice, separate them from God. They will know that this vaccine is available to them should they make that choice. They will also know that if they marry a formerly promiscuous man, then he should in love for her be certain that he is not carrying an STD.

In regard to the risk of rape, I would have to ask: what are the chances that my daughter will be raped and what are the risks that she will contract the form of genital herpes that causes cervical cancer from that rape, as compared to the risks of the vaccine itself? This would include the risk that she would actually contract the disease from the immunization - because if she is not immunized, that virus MIGHT enter her body. If she is immunized, that virus WILL enter her body). That would be just one of my questions. Keep in mind, the vaccine does not prevent cervical cancer - it is intended to innoculate against the form of herpes that is believed to cause most cases of cervical cancer. That is not the same as ensuring that she will not get cervical cancer. I’d rather have my money spent on rape prevention efforts, including date rape prevention, because the small chance of becoming a woman with cervical cancer from a rape is far smaller than the certainty that she will be harmed in many, many other ways if she becomes the victim of rape. Date rape prevention includes educating young men in the proper treatment of women, because men who commit date rape really ARE misogynists. Has the drug company that has already spent millions on research, development and lobbying so that they can benefit financially from the forced immunization of young girls spent one penny on rape prevention? Further, are they educating anyone about the OTHER causes of cervical cancer and how to otherwise reduce the risk of contracting the disease, or are they leaving it to be assumed that a woman who has cervical cancer must have been promiscuous? If the answer to the first question is no and to the second question is yes, then who here can really be accused of failing in true concern for women?
 
Perhaps they should mandate the boys to get the vaccine? They are most likely the source of the virus.

Drug countries have a vested interest in having the government push their products. This is currently done with mandates for many vaccines, the flu vaccine being case in point. The annual flu vaccine has had no statistical impact on the flu, yet every hospital and healthcare provider is being mandated to strongly encourage it.
 
I’m not against the vaccine. I’m against forcing it upon people. Let each family decide for themselves what is best for their children.

What I find strange is that so few women knew before this vaccine came out that promiscuous sex could contribute to cervical cancer. :confused:
 
momof8 said:
In regard to the risk of rape, I would have to ask: what are the chances that my daughter will be raped and what are the risks that she will contract the form of genital herpes that causes cervical cancer from that rape, as compared to the risks of the vaccine itself? This would include the risk that she would actually contract the disease from the immunization - because if she is not immunized, that virus MIGHT enter her body. If she is immunized, that virus WILL enter her body). That would be just one of my questions. Keep in mind, the vaccine does not prevent cervical cancer - it is intended to innoculate against the form of herpes that is believed to cause most cases of cervical cancer. That is not the same as ensuring that she will not get cervical cancer. I’d rather have my money spent on rape prevention efforts, including date rape prevention, because the small chance of becoming a woman with cervical cancer from a rape is far smaller than the certainty that she will be harmed in many, many other ways if she becomes the victim of rape. Date rape prevention includes educating young men in the proper treatment of women, because men who commit date rape really ARE misogynists. Has the drug company that has already spent millions on research, development and lobbying so that they can benefit financially from the forced immunization of young girls spent one penny on rape prevention? Further, are they educating anyone about the OTHER causes of cervical cancer and how to otherwise reduce the risk of contracting the disease, or are they leaving it to be assumed that a woman who has cervical cancer must have been promiscuous? If the answer to the first question is no and to the second question is yes, then who here can really be accused of failing in true concern for women?
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👍 **Yeah! What she said!🙂 **
deb1 said:
I’m not against the vaccine. I’m against forcing it upon people. Let each family decide for themselves what is best for their children.
I agree. Strongly.

What I find strange is that so few women knew before this vaccine came out that promiscuous sex could contribute to cervical cancer. :confused:
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Actually, this isn’t true. ANY sex can contribute to SOME types of cervical cancer. SOME herpes viruses can lead to cervical cancer. But you don’t get that virus simply by having sex with more partners. It only takes one encounter. This vaccine does not prevent cervical cancer. This vaccine is to prevent a specific type if herpes virus that SOMETIMES causes cervical cancer. There are literally dozens of other herpes and cervical cancers that this vaccine does absolutely nothing to prevent.
I also find it insulting when they use emotional blackmail to try to convince parents to do this for their children. "What if your dd is raped or married a guy who sleeps around?"
**1. I don’t raise my dd assuming she will be raped. If our country has gotten so rotten sick that we have to assume every daughter will be raped and therefore make medical decisions for our 12 years old based on that - then to heck with that. I’m buying a gun and moving out of the cess pool.:mad: **I challenge them to give clinical proof of cervical cancers directly related to a rape. I’m doubtful they have any. This is a scare tactic. Scare tactics tick me off and automaticly make me sceptical.
2. I think getting blood work/exams before the marriage would be smarter than banking on immunity from a shot that only the women got when they were 12. It is highly unlikely the shot will still be effective. Which means they will need boosters, which most adults will not get. Which means they won’t be any safer than if they hadn’t got the shot to begin with.
3. If this was the same thing to prevent penil cancers under the same situations - I’d still say no. It’s insulting to say that I would care more for my sons health than my daughter. This is about making a medical decision based on reason and logic. It isn’t about men vs women.
 
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2. I think getting blood work/exams before the marriage would be smarter than banking on immunity from a shot that only the women got when they were 12. It is highly unlikely the shot will still be effective. Which means they will need boosters, which most adults will not get. Which means they won’t be any safer than if they hadn’t got the shot to begin with.
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There is no blood work/exam to rule out HPV in men. The HPV test for women can be used to id high-risk strains but there are limitations. thehpvtest.com/docs/PatientPI.pdf

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This vaccine does not prevent cervical cancer.
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This vaccine is to prevent a specific type if herpes virus that SOMETIMES causes cervical cancer. There are literally dozens of other herpes and cervical cancers that this vaccine does absolutely nothing to prevent.
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I agree to some extent. Genital HPV is the “cause” of over 90%. Strains 16 & 18 are responsible for 70% of these. The “high-riks” strains include16, 18, 31, 33, 35, 39, 45, 51, 52, 56, 58, 59, 68, 69, and possibly a few others. So, there are still several strains that this vaccine will not protect against. Most “experts” agree that HPV is necessary for cervical cancer to develop.

The vaccine is approved to prevent abnormal paps and the treatment/follow-up associated with it but no one is talking those numbers.The FDA approved GARDASIL for the prevention of cervical cancer; cervical pre-cancers [cervical intraepithelial neoplasia (CIN) 2/3 and adenocarcinoma in situ (AIS)]; vulvar pre-cancers [vulvar intraepithelial neoplasia (VIN) 2/3]; and vaginal pre-cancers [vaginal intraepithelial neoplasia (VaIN) 2/3] caused by HPV types 16 and 18. Source: MerckIt will decrease 90% of genital warts, which aren’t life-threatening. There are 500,000-1 million new cases of genital warts every year.
I’m not against the vaccine. I’m against forcing it upon people. Let each family decide for themselves what is best for their children.
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I agree based on what is known about the genital HPV. There is much to be learned including how this virus in transmitted. It is difficult to research non-sexual transmission when one considers the sexual histories of most of us simply having been sexaully active. Obviously (at least for me), if this could be transmitted via a hand-shake as one study suggested (did not prove), that may change my view. However, based on the current evidence that genital HPV is primarily a STD/STI, I do not understand the rationale for adding this to the list of mandatory vaccines for school since vaccine requirements are established to protect students against diseases transmitted through casual contact (sneezing, touching).
 
I think they are just hyping up this vaccine to make it look like a cure-all and I don’t believe that we will see those results.

There are 5000 deaths a year which is a very small figure and I know people have said that some young die but it is mainly older women who get cancer and heart disease and die.

Billions of tax dollars will be used for this because the high price of $360.00 plus per person.

Wouldn’t it be a smart move to vaccine in one small state for about 5 years to see if there are any real results?

Those opposed will spend thousands of man-hours trying to fight this in legislation, but maybe all governors will follow suit and we will have no say. Any suggestions on what the average person can do?? We could call the governors’ office but they will probably let just let you talk to a machine. I’ll call just because I’m annoyed.
 
Wouldn’t it be a smart move to vaccine in one small state for about 5 years to see if there are any real results?
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That is one point to mention, it will be years before we know if this is effective in preventing cervical cancer, which takes 10-15 years to develop once abnormal cells begin.
 
deb1 said:
What I find strange is that so few women knew before this vaccine came out that promiscuous sex could contribute to cervical cancer. :confused:
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The health community have known for years that HPV caused the majority of cervical cancers in women. They chose not to release the information because they knew condoms could not stop transmission. It is spread through skin contact in the area of the chest to the knees, so one doesn’t have to be promiscuous, but rather, unchaste.

The health community does not think young women, or any person, can not stop their sexual urges, much like animals in heat. They chose to keep it an open secret rather than teach abstinence, or at least let women know HPV exists and causes cancer. They chose to promote condoms and sex “education” rather than to tell young women the risks of being unchaste. Young women have died from cervical cancer not knowing how it most likely was contracted.

Who are the misogynists?
 
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That is one point to mention, it will be years before we know if this is effective in preventing cervical cancer, which takes 10-15 years to develop once abnormal cells begin.
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Make it a volunteer program. I’d be willing to wait the ten years and spend the money on other cancers. It is only helping with 70% of HPV cases.
 
It is only helping with 70% of HPV cases.
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This is really my point, it has the potential to prevent 70% of cervical cancers but this isn’t proven.
 
And thus we have found the root of the problem.

The crazy people think they’re doing the Lord’s work by opposing life-saving vaccines. That’s what makes them crazy. It’s also makes me wonder if the people who say religion is dangerous aren’t right.
 
Benedictus said:
The crazy people think they’re doing the Lord’s work by opposing life-saving vaccines.
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What’s so life-saving about the HPV vaccine? The medical powers that be have kept women in the dark for years about HPV, essentially letting young women die rather than tell them condoms won’t work against it.

Now that it exists, they want to give it to very young girls, girls who shouldn’t even yet be thinking about sex, much less being ordered to get a vaccine to stop an STD. What life-saving message is that? To me, it’s essentially condoning sexual activity at a very young and impressionable age, and that isn’t life-affirming IMHO.

If the health community really wanted to save lives it would really educate,

(a novel concept considering how most young women know absolutely nothing about reproduction or their sexual organs even through public sex-ed but know how to correctly put on a condom),

rather than just throwing us stuff to make it easier to have sex at younger and younger ages.
 
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