Perry orders anti-cancer vaccine for schoolgirls

[timotheos]

The more I look into this, the less convinced I am that these proposed programs have been adequately researched.

I have not found original reports of the clinical trials re: efficacy of this vaccine, but there is some abstracted infomation out there. It appears that some of the trials are based on followup of around 2 years, and statistical power of the results are partly based on the new HPV infection rates in the placebo arm.

The rate of new infections in the placebo arm appear to run around 0.6 to 1.5%. That’s infections, not cancers.

Even if left undetected, very few of these infections would lead to cancer. However, detection by pap allows for treatment of infections, and nearly eliminating cancer risk.

The cost of preventing 1-2 infections per 100 young women over 2 years is about $360 per vaccine series x 100 = $36,000. (BTW, this benefit may not be long-lasting; the anti-HPV antibodies in response to the vaccine drop significantly by 3 years. It is not clear if the preventative effect drops as well, but periodic boosters may be necessary.)

Cost of vaccinating 98-99 young women who apparently wouldn’t have gotten an HPV infection anyway = $35,280 - $35,640.

Texas must have money to burn.

 

[momof8]

The more I look into this, the less convinced I am that these proposed programs have been adequately researched.

I have not found original reports of the clinical trials re: efficacy of this vaccine, but there is some abstracted infomation out there. It appears that some of the trials are based on followup of around 2 years, and statistical power of the results are partly based on the new HPV infection rates in the placebo arm.

The rate of new infections in the placebo arm appear to run around 0.6 to 1.5%. That’s infections, not cancers.

Even if left undetected, very few of these infections would lead to cancer. However, detection by pap allows for treatment of infections, and nearly eliminating cancer risk.

The cost of preventing 1-2 infections per 100 young women over 2 years is about $360 per vaccine series x 100 = $36,000. (BTW, this benefit may not be long-lasting; the anti-HPV antibodies in response to the vaccine drop significantly by 3 years. It is not clear if the preventative effect drops as well, but periodic boosters may be necessary.)

Cost of vaccinating 98-99 young women who apparently wouldn’t have gotten an HPV infection anyway = $35,280 - $35,640.

Texas must have money to burn.

Those are interesting stats. Especially good point about having the pap smears, and women should be educated that these are still critical as the vaccine is FAR from being complete protection against cervical cancer.

 

[gam197]

Originally posted by Jennifer123
It’s just so very unfortunate to say the least that the health community took away information and choice from women, essentially letting them die rather than gasp acknowledge condoms aren’t a “cure all”.

They have not educated that the condom may lower the rate but does not prevent this STD.

The width of the head of a normal human sperm is 2.5 to 3.5 microns,3 but viruses are much smaller. In a 1998 article in Rubber Plastics News, C. M. Roland of the Naval Research Laboratory Chemistry Division and M. J. Schroeder of the U.S. Naval Academy Department of Chemistry stated the following:

"The defining feature of viruses is their diminutive size. For example, the AIDS virus is only 0.15 microns, and the hepatitis B virus is even smaller. Given the presence in rubber of intrinsic defects two orders of magnitude larger in size, the ability of a condom or surgical glove to prevent transmission of viral particles is problematic."4

all.org/article.php?id=10184

We have many cancers and other disease with very high rates of death. Lung cancer alone kills 170,000 each year, men and woman, compared to 5000 deaths for cervical cancer. I wouldn’t mind if some of this money went to the Christian Amish as they grow tobacco. Maybe they could switch to corn for ethanol. Then the So. Americans wouldn’t be so angry that we are taking their corn crops which they need for tortillas.

Vaccine should be voluntary.

 

[gam197]

Tobacco stays becase of the strong Tobacco Lobby and now we have added tax revenue which was a good way to lessen use but now the government wants to keep it.

 

[beckers]

The vaccine should not be forced on anyone. If you don’t have it you aren’t going to catch it with common contact. EDUCATION is the key. You can send a note home to the parents with the infomation and offer places that might have the shot but it should not be mandatory.

Also what about the right to privacy and the right to choice? Sholdn’t the young girls have a right to choose what happens to her body? Seems that the state wants to say you can decided what happens to your body only in some cases.

The other issue is that people feel that the governor has lied. He claims to be pro-life and conservative but he has started to go down the slipper slope. He side stepped the state government and made the proclaimation on his own. This is the final straw for me with the Governor. If he every runs again for anything i will not be voting for him.

New article in the houston chronicle about how people feel
chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4528909.html

AUSTIN — Gov. Rick Perry stood firm Monday against a political firestorm generated by his order that sixth-grade girls be inoculated against a sexually transmitted virus linked to cervical cancer.

Social conservatives from Texas to Washington called on Perry to reverse his order making Texas the first state to require the vaccine, saying the mandate makes sex seem permissible and that parents should be the ones to decide whether to immunize their daughters. And several Texas lawmakers expressed outrage at Perry for circumventing the legislative process.

“This needs closer examination. How much will it cost the state?” asked Sen. Jane Nelson, chairwoman of the Senate Health and Human Services Committee, at a press conference. “Most importantly, as a mother of four daughters, I want to make sure our daughters’ health is protected and parental rights are preserved.”

Nelson, R-Lewisville, asked Perry to reverse his order and said she also would ask the attorney general whether the Legislature has any recourse if he doesn’t.

 

[2shelbys]

Tobacco stays becase of the strong Tobacco Lobby and now we have added tax revenue which was a good way to lessen use but now the government wants to keep it.

Yes, tobacco and alcohol. Two things the governent supposedly considers to be supremely dangerous and deadly that they will never do away with because they make too much money from them. Vaccines are the other side of the coin. There is so much money made on them that they are willing to force them on us before adequate research into possible dangerous side effects is done.

 

[wjp984]

At least they still come out with vaccines. Drug companies could make a lot more by only coming out with treatments since vaccines are a one time thing and not that profitable.

 

[2shelbys]

At least they still come out with vaccines. Drug companies could make a lot more by only coming out with treatments since vaccines are a one time thing and not that profitable.

Vaccines are way more profitable than actual treatments. Treatments are only given to those who actually contract the condition. With a vaccine all you have to do is contribute to some campaigns and your government will force EVERYONE to get it. The last estimate I saw of how much will be made on the HPV vaccine ran into the billions. Not millions, billions.

 

[beckers]

Seems even the doctors don’t support this order…
chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4532274.html
**Doctors say Perry’s vaccine mandate for girls is premature
**They hail inoculation for cancer-causing virus but cite liability, cost concerns

Gov. Rick Perry’s order requiring schoolgirls to get inoculated against a sexually transmitted virus linked to cervical cancer may be unpopular with social conservatives, but another important group also is lining up against it: doctors.

From, among others, the Texas Medical Association and the American Academy of Pediatrics, many doctors are saying it’s too early to mandate the vaccine, which was approved for use last June. It protects against four strains of the human papillomavirus that cause 70 percent of cervical cancers.

“We support physicians being able to provide the vaccine, but we don’t support a state mandate at this time,” said Dr. Bill Hinchey, a San Antonio pathologist and president-elect of the TMA, which represents 41,000 physicians. “There are issues, such as liability and cost, that need to be vetted first.”

Other reasons cited by doctors in Texas and across the country include the vaccine’s newness; supply and distribution considerations; the possibility opposition could snowball and lead to a reduction in other immunizations; the possibility it could lull women into not going for still-necessary cervical cancer screenings; gender-equity issues; and the tradition of vaccines starting as voluntary and becoming mandatory after a need is demonstrated.

 

[gam197]

The American Medical after all these years has finally stated a stand on our side. That is great.

From article…

Just because private insurers cover the cost, that doesn’t solve the problem, especially for doctors in private practice. The large UMass Memorial doctors’ group just began offering the HPV vaccine last month, even though all the reimbursement wrinkles had not been ironed out, Dr. Moriarty said.

“What pediatricians were finding out a couple of months ago was that there was no mechanism to get reimbursed for the vaccine, or there was not a reasonable fee that was reimbursed by the insurers to do this,” he said.

The vaccine costs about $120 for each of three injections to be given over six months. But that’s not the whole cost to the doctors who give it.

There are expenses to order it, store it and give it to patients. Nurses have to be paid, syringes have to be bought and disposed of, and insurance paid just in case the power goes out and shuts down the refrigerator where the vaccine must be kept at a certain temperature.

telegram.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070205/NEWS/702050329/1012/FEATURES03

 

[mlchance]

Amazing. Folks who express reservations about the government cahooting with the drug companies in order to use girls as guinea pigs to test a new vaccine are accused of being women-haters and in favor of death by cancer.

So much for a rational discussion.

– Mark L. Chance.

 

[2shelbys]

Amazing. Folks who express reservations about the government cahooting with the drug companies in order to use girls as guinea pigs to test a new vaccine are accused of being women-haters and in favor of death by cancer.

So much for a rational discussion.

– Mark L. Chance.

Just like those of us who want to do away with wasteful government programs where 90% of the money goes to paying the government to run it and 10% actually gets to the people who need it. We “hate the poor” and “want the elderly to choose between food and medicine” and “want to starve school children”. When they have no viable response to intelligent points they attack.

 

[Jennifer123]

A great article from Fr. Euteneuer on the HPV vaccine and the mandatory requirement:
catholicexchange.com/node/21930

"If parents want to assure that God’s plan of sexual purity will set the agenda for their kids’ future marriages and families, now is the time to change their culture. The only real response to these intrusions of the culture of death is to reject them and all their works and all their empty promises. We have to get and keep the tainted culture out of us and stop pretending that it is the “real world.” "

 

[Auriel]

OK, I said I was not going to post because I do not know anything about Catholics, But I am from Texas, and this contraversial subject I know about! It makes my blood boil! I work in the legal field and know a little about the law. This drug has not been proven to be safe, the testing methods were suspicious, there have been no long term studies to determine its affect on these girls or the affect it will have on any of their future offspring. There was a push to have this fast tracked. Because of its approval being processed in this manner if anything goes wrong with your child you have no legal recourse. Plain English, You cannot sue, Merck cannot be held legally responsible. The FDA want all 11 year old girls to receive this vaccine. The fact is statisticly speaking, 99% of the population of the United States will NEVER get cervical cancer.

Another fact, it has already caused great harm. A reactive aluminum containing placebo was used in the trial studies, what can happen is the placebo may artificially increase the appearance of safety of an experimental drug or vaccine in a clinical trial. Gardasil contains 225 mcg of aluminum and, although aluminum adjuvants have been used in vaccines for decades, they were never tested for safety in clinical trials. The FDA and Merck never disclosed this, The FDA are the ones that gave MERCK their blessing. You have to ask, Why would they risk the lives of those little girls? Normally saline is used in the placebos, it does not cause nerve damage like aluminum and does not give unfair test results.

Little girls as young as the age of 9 were given this vaccine. I would never a nine year old of mine to be a guina pig. EVERY single child given this vaccine did report side affects, from as mild as swelling, fever, irratation, to more serious side affects reported, such as Juvenile arthritus, Lupus, and 17 DEATHS!!! It was discovered that when given in combination with other vaccines, the risk was ven higher for more serious side affects. Top doctors in both pediatrics and gynocology asked that this not be approved. Reality is, until there is a long term study done, No ONE CAN give a finding.

 

[Auriel]

Please do not be deceived. Remember, Merck had to pull VIOXX off the shelf last year. They were in deep financial trouble, forced to pay out Billions in wrongful death suits. They will more than make many times that money back if the FDA makes its mandantory, They stand to gain Billions…all at the cost of your childrens health, more little girls will die, and this time they will not have to pay, all because it was fast tracked. There is a bill being pushed even now that will not allow you to opt out of a vaccine. Even if your kids were home schooled.

Merck doubled its lobbying efforts in Texas, they donated thousands of dollars to Perry’s re-election campaign, and they have funneled money into Women in Government, an advocacy group made up of female state legislators around the country. One of the drug company’s three lobbyists in Texas is Mike Toomey, Perry’s former chief of staff. His current chief of staff’s mother-in-law, Texas Republican state Rep. Dianne White Delisi, is a state director for Women in Government. Perry was already had a connection to this company, That is why they pushed it so hard here in Texas.

I am not sure if I am allowed to post news articles, if not please forgive me. But I will post the links here, and to keep this from becoming too long,highlight just a few paragraphs. The future women of America are being exploited. I just think it is sad how many mothers are not aware of the danger. The Drug company is banking on that. Our newspapers are filled with Merck sponsered ads and slick television spots showing mothers and grandmothers with beaming daughters, how they are Happy Gardasil will keep them safe. It was a morality play in order to avoid talking about the flawed science they used to get it licensed.

QUOTE:
**MERCK’S GARDASIL VACCINE NOT PROVEN SAFE FOR LITTLE GIRLS
National Vaccine Information Center Criticizes
FDA for Fast Tracking Licensure

Washington, D.C. - The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) is calling on the CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) to just say “no” on June 29 to recommending “universal use” of Merck’s Gardasil vaccine in all pre-adolescent girls. NVIC maintains that Merck’s clinical trials did not prove the human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine designed to prevent cervical cancer and genital warts is safe to give to young girls
**

QUOTE:

"There is too little long term safety and efficacy data, especially in young girls, and too little labeling information on contraindications for the CDC to recommend Gardasil for universal use, which is a signal for states to mandate it," said Fisher. "Nobody at Merck, the CDC or FDA know if the injection of Gardasil into all pre-teen girls - especially simultaneously with hepatitis B vaccine - will make some of them more likely to develop arthritis or other inflammatory autoimmune and brain disorders as teenagers and adults. With cervical cancer causing about one percent of all cancer deaths in American women due to routine pap screening, it was inappropriate for the FDA to fast track Gardasil. It is way too early to direct all young girls to get three doses of a vaccine that has not been proven safe or effective in their age group."

LINK to a case report: 909shot.com/PressReleases/pr62706gardasil.htm

If you ever want to know the actual ingrediants used in the vaccines we so willingly take, check this link out: informedchoice.info/cocktail.html

 

[Jennifer123]

I’m no legal expert, but I wonder if we could sue the states that are making this a mandatory requirement?
IMHO the COD made a major misstep here, which is unusual because they are usually so much more nuanced and subversive. The pushed a little too hard with this one.

 

[deb1]

There appears to be a lot of talk here, most of it rubbish. You only have to have sex once to catch HPV; a person does not have to be promiscuous. People make mistakes.

HPV is a virus that is very common; some research estimates a many as 90% of people carry it - the most conservative estimate that I know of is about 50%. Not everyone who carries the virus will develop genital herpes, so many many people do not know that they carry it. Also, yes many people with HPV will not develop cervical cancer, but everyone who develops cervical cancer will have the HPV virus. So removing the HPV virus will remove cervical cancer.

Vaccination programmes are not really about protecting the individual. They are more about what is called herd immunity. This is where if we greatly reduce the chances of about 80% of a population from carrying a germ, then that germ will disappear for ever.

This vaccine is an opportunity to remove cervical cancer for ever. In the way other diseases such as polio have been erradicated.

I think that there is a lot of emotion on both sides of the issue that cause people to not really hear the facts.

Most of the people on this thread are not against the vaccine itself but are trying to discern if this is the best course for their particular situation. So, we are asking questions. What is upsetting some of us is that the government can force us to have our daughters immunized before this vaccine has had more testing.

 

[deb1]

Obviously it is perfectly reasonable to want a vaccine, indeed any medical intervention, to be thoroughly tested before it is used on a member of our family. However, I get the impression that this thread would not be here if HPV was not passed on sexually. It seems that the opiniouns of many are that HPV (and hence cervical cancer) are caused by promiscuity (not true).

Eradicating a virus that kills people is a good thing, even if that virus is passed on sexually. People make mistakes.

Personally, I am still resentful that my family dr used emotional manipulation to get my daughter to take the chicken pox vaccine. I hadn’t made up my mind because chicken pox seems rather benign except in rare cases. The dr told me that a nurse’s child had died of chicken pox and really pressured me into getting this vaccine. As I hadn’t made up my mind yet, I felt like I was manipulated.

I get the same feeling with this vaccine and for me, it has nothing to do with sex.

 

[Auriel]

Personally, I am still resentful that my family dr used emotional manipulation to get my daughter to take the chicken pox vaccine. I hadn’t made up my mind because chicken pox seems rather benign except in rare cases. The dr told me that a nurse’s child had died of chicken pox and really pressured me into getting this vaccine. As I hadn’t made up my mind yet, I felt like I was manipulated.

I get the same feeling with this vaccine and for me, it has nothing to do with sex.

I want all disease wiped out too, regardless of the cause. and I also resented being manipulated. Another way to view this is that the Drug Corperations are a Billion Dollar Industry, not every ones goal is humanitarian. With some of the doctors and scientist it is, but you also have presidents of these corps, shareholders, board of directors, etc…and greed rears its ugly head. Money has replaced God for many in America. Not to mention, when they make money the Government makes money too. I became more interested in our vaccine programs because of my own little son.

I would not trade him for the world, He is a beautiful child, I have been asked before if I have considered putting him in modeling, I used to model myself. That is until he speaks, some people feel as if I set out to trick them, because he looks normal but in fact is brain damaged. He has the biggest heart I have ever seen on a kid, what he understood about Terri Schiavo made me cry, and I will tell you, he was born with that soft heart, we are not church people. He is a great artist, for some reason that was not affected. He has cried before while looking at a sunset, he was 4, I asked him what was wrong, he said “It so pretty, it make me cry”.

When first born he was a very bright, active, alert baby. But after receiveing the MMR vaccine something terrible happpened. They warned me of fever, gave me a little something for it. But that night it was raging, he started to tremble, and had violent seizures, then his whole body went limp, and his eyes rolled back in his head. He was now brain damaged. I morned for that alert baby I lost, but was determined to do the best for him. I had called the doctor when his fever started to rise, they said, don’t worry, its normal. They never wanted to admit it was the vaccine. I also found that the MMR is notorius for that.

I took him to a specialist, she said this is more common than people think, there is a small percentage that have such a severe eaction that it causes death, that is why we must have to sign a slip before a vaccine is given, saying the parents are aware of side affects. But a greater number end up like my son. It does not have to be that way. Many drugs like the MMR saves lives, it is the thimerisol used in the vaccine that can causes brain damage, death, and now has been linked to autism. I asked if there was an alternative, she told me they make it thimerisol-free. I asked why they were not all made that way then, since it is safer. She said because thimerisol is costs less, the profit is higher.

Parents may ask their doctors for thimerisol free, but many do not know to ask. However the poorer segmant of our population, who receive their vaccines at free or low cost health clinics do not have that choice. It goes back to Corporate greed, their money god. My son only receives thimerisol free vaccines now.

In the long run care for these children who have been injured will be much greater. Think of all the future medical bills. With gardasil we know there will be, some may not show the signs of brain damage until they are in their teens, or later. Some seizure meds make one almost a zombie. The unemployment rate in my state for people with controlled seizures is 28%, close to 50% for ones whose seizures are uncontrollable. Think of all the Assisted living expenses as adults if they require it. But then again, they will require more drugs. The Industry will make even more off of them. A viscious cycle. This problem as you can see is multi-layered and multi- leveled.

 

[Jennifer123]

However, I get the impression that this thread would not be here if HPV was not passed on sexually. It seems that the opiniouns of many are that HPV (and hence cervical cancer) are caused by promiscuity (not true).

You impressions are not correct and quite judgemental if I do say so. Most of us are aware that HPV is NOT a sexually transmitted disease, and we do not think you have the be promiscuous to get HPV.
This thread exists because we resent the fact that we are once again being lied to and manipulated by the culture of death.
Please re-read this and other threads that exist here because I don’t want to have to discuss again what has already been said.