Pew Poll: Obama Greatest President in Our Lifetime

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I had read about this in an article re: Pres. O a few years back and yes indeed historians had named him our best president.
Also, President Obama was named one of the top three leaders in the world a few years back. That poll was given to all world leaders to name their top three leaders. The top three leaders in no given manner named: The Dalai Lama, Pres Obama and the Pope.
I don’t know why this hard for some people to believe. If people want to know the real truth then they should NOT listen to Fox News’ propaganda. Fox is well noted for keeping the real news from their viewers.
Pres O. was one of the smartest most intelligent presidents we have ever had.
Also again, Pres. O was the first president in history that had accomplished more in his first year in office than any other president.
 
I don’t think historians will judge him so kindly, when his term is less present.
  • His only legislative achievement was ACA, which was problematic in design and implementation.
  • His EO policy initiatives were well intentioned but will mostly not survive even one term - this too screams of being poorly planned and implemented. Good policy survives while the bad is repealed.
  • HIs Political leadership was a failure as he left the Dem party as a disaster zone, without leadership or a message. Dems lost over 1,000 seats during his tenure, more than any President in history.
In the future, historians will stop making excuses for his failures, they will stop absolving him of his responsibility as POTUS and leader of the Democratic Party. See quote below.
The fragile legacy of Barack Obama
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In the end there are only two ways a president can forge a legacy in U.S. politics: accomplish things with bipartisan support, or nurture his political party so that people are elected who will carry on and protect his accomplishments. Obama’s legacy is in trouble because he did neither.
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I find it easy enough to believe. He won two terms. Most importantly he was and continues to be treated with kid gloves by the media. Obama has never been challenged to his face on the constant stream of lies he told. His estimation would drop sharply if people knew just how bad a liar he was.
 
this is a silly thread, especially here…the known enclave of Trump loving, Obama hating posters…why bother?
 
Proof that carefully worded a poll can be designed to prove anything.
 
Hereiam said:
this is a silly thread, especially here…the known enclave of Trump loving, Obama hating posters…why bother?
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Do you mean they disapprove of his policies,or can you point to a specific post of someone who has said they hate Obama?
 
Millennials, those aged 22 to 37, were far more likely to choose Obama than any president besides Clinton
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I think this has alot to do with the poll results,(not that i am Denying that Obama was/is very popular) people at the lower end of this age group probably have no real memories of presidents befor Obama. I am at the upper end of this age group and i really have no actual memories of presidents before W Bush. I only have actual memories of Clinton for his Lewensky scandal. I just did not pay attention to Presidents or politics at that time in my life

*by “real memories” i mean actually remembering it first hand, not reading up on things later in life.
 
Xystus said:
I think this has alot to do with the poll results
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Yes, this is a factor. Tallies for Reagan were very small as compared to other age groups. But in that age group, Obama was very strong, followed by Clinton, also strong. And in all age groups Obama polled better than Trump, as did Clinton, except with those 73 and older, among JFK and other before him garnered substantial support.


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Obama’s two predecessors are now fairly tarnished so he should look good in comparison, at least to the layman who goes off the press and doesn’t study the issues:
  • Clinton was hugely popular but finally lost his Teflon with the #metoo movement. Now he’s even being blamed for our high incarceration rate.
  • Bush left in a cloud from the Iraq war, which hasn’t dissipated. He’s forever branded as lying about WMD.
 
I don’t believe anyone who opposed Obama’s agenda hated him personally,unlike those who have a visceral hatred of Trump.This has basically clouded their ability to see all the good things he has accomplished.With the Dems and their sidekick the left ,it’s always the cult of personality that motivates their base.
 
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His cultural impact and what he meant to so many families who thought they might not live to see the first black president will (completely separate from his policies) result in him being remembered with understandable fondness.

His terms sitting chronicalogically up against this interesting and sometimes volatile climate of the Trump term(s) will also yield a certain comparison.
 
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Jeanne_S said:
I don’t believe anyone who opposed Obama’s agenda hated him personally,unlike those who have a visceral hatred of Trump.This has basically clouded their ability to see all the good things he has accomplished.With the Dems and their sidekick the left ,it’s always the cult of personality that motivates their base.
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To be fair, Trump doesn’t really have a fixed ideology so how you feel about the man’s personality and/or style is the sum of how you feel about him as a politician. His style is his substance.
 
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Jeanne_S said:
I don’t believe anyone who opposed Obama’s agenda hated him personally,unlike those who have a visceral hatred of Trump.
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We make these assumptions based on what we have witnessed. I saw the visceral hate bubble up for both. I didn’t believe it was happening at first, but it was there. Still is. People are beating a dead horse with politically irrelevant hate memes that suit their continued rage.
 
Hereiam said:
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JonNC:
Do you mean they disapprove of his policies,or can you point to a specific post of someone who has said they hate Obama?
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Oh please Jon!
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It is concerning that you choose not to answer.
 
Ahhhh,I wouldn’t be so sure about your assertions.I know that’s what the media pushes but not necessarily the sentiments of voters overall. Trump has accomplished a lot and folks are taking notice,at least those that aren’t caught up in the anti Trump frenzy.
 
Jeanne_S said:
I don’t believe anyone who opposed Obama’s agenda hated him personally,unlike those who have a visceral hatred of Trump.This has basically clouded their ability to see all the good things he has accomplished.With the Dems and their sidekick the left ,it’s always the cult of personality that motivates their base.
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It’s called projection.
 
CD45 said:
Well, Trump has a high entertainment value. But, at some not to distant point in the future, we will need to have an adult back in the room. The party of Lincoln has become the party of Trump. But in the long run, demographics are changing our country. People of color, young women and college educated whites have no use for the current Republican Party. So it’s kind of like Custer’s Last Stand for Trump and the Republican Party. Their tribe sitting around the campfire in another 10 or 15 years will be significantly smaller. In the meantime, we just need to make the Trumpster doesn’t royally screw up the future of our country for the coming generations.
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It is amazing how the racism of identity politics almost always comes from The left.
 
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