Philippine priest tells supporters of contraceptive bill to leave Mass

[ConstantineTG]

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BAGUIO CITY, Philippines – A priest at the Baguio Cathedral drew flak from some Catholics after he ordered people supporting the reproductive health bill to leave the church and stop hearing Mass.

His remarks drew outrage from some parishioners, who walked out in consternation.

The priest, whose identity was withheld, used his sermon to mock supporters of the bill such as former Akbayan party-list Rep. Risa Hontiveros-Baraquel.

“Kung meron nakikimisa dito pero pro-RH bill… Please, go out. It’s useless,” the priest said.

“What is this mass for if you are pro-RH bill? What is going to Church for if you’re pro-RH bill?” he asked.

So is this what people here would agree to? Sending people who are opposing Church teaching out of Mass?

 

[Stylites]

So is this what people here would agree to? Sending people who are opposing Church teaching out of Mass?

It seems reasonable that people who oppose the Church’s teachings on faith and morals are welcome to watch and listen, but not participate.

 

[ConstantineTG]

It seems reasonable that people who oppose the Church’s teachings on faith and morals are welcome to watch and listen, but not participate.

I agree that the priest may seem a bit harsh, but at the same time people should know that if they side with the pro-contraceptive crowd, its unacceptable in the Church.

 

[Zacdecat]

Ummm, so the priest is a little harsh to his congregation…asking pro abortionists to leave, as opposed to condoning the slaughter of the innocent…he is as mild as milk as opposed to the wrath of the Divine Judge?

 

[Shin]

‘And Peter said unto her: Why have you agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? Behold the feet of them who have buried thy husband are at the door, and they shall carry thee out. Immediately she fell down before his feet, and gave up the ghost. And the young men coming in, found her dead: and carried her out, and buried her by her husband.’

Acts 5:9-10

If this were the days of the early church, the days of the Apostles and their nearest successors, they’d be getting off inconceivably lightly with merely being sent out from the mass.

Perhaps they’d get away with being placed with the ‘weepers’ the fourth stage of penitents, permitted to weep outside the church in sackcloth and ashes… after awhile then one was allowed to enter the church, placed in the rear, and continually kneel while others were allowed to stand… perhaps at last one might be allowed to mingle with the congregation, though of course, not receive Holy Communion.

Perhaps after a number of years they’d be allowed to receive Communion once again.

That is of course, if they repented. If they didn’t repent, being a weeper would be getting off lightly. They wouldn’t be considered Christian anymore, so they’d have no place at all.

Of course, the early days of the Church weren’t too much different from times not too long past in many respects… I read an Irish penitential having 12 years penance of bread and water for a mother’s destruction of her own child.

But still the trend over time was weakening of these things. … Then came 1960 A.D.

 

[Pork_Roll]

Solid priest. Now if we could just have a pope who would excommunicate 80% of the church over this matter we’d get somewhere.

 

[Santi2]

“Don’t use the pulpit, which belongs to all the lay people

An absolutely ridiculous, arrogant and ignorant statement.

 

[ConstantineTG]

An absolutely ridiculous, arrogant and ignorant statement.

I agree with that. A lot of people has a lot of misconceptions about the Church and the faith.

 

[PilgrimToChrist]

My priest has never had to tell people to leave, they just get upset at Catholic Truth and leave angrily at the sermon. Now, is it sad that they may never come back to a Traditional Mass and hear cold, hard, Catholic Truth preached again? That is sad. But they should also know that this is what it is. We don’t need sermons telling us to “be nice to everybody” and “support social justice” anymore, we need sermons which preach to people about how to live holy lives and avoid sin.

I think the sermon which drew the most ire and people who left was the one on rock music, from the Beatles and Led Zeppelin up through modern day pop and rock stars. But when was the last time you heard a priest preaching against rock music? I think it was that sermon in which he even said, “I am probably the only priest in this state who is preaching against rock music, but that doesn’t matter.”

At major holidays (e.g. Christmas and Easter) and events (e.g. First Communion), he has made note that you must receive kneeling (if possible, of course) and on the tongue – this is a traditional parish so that’s normal – but also that you cannot receive Communion if you are in a state of mortal sin. And then he goes on to list examples – intentionally missing Sunday or Holy Day Mass, using contraception, cohabitation, use of NFP without a grave reason, etc. Sometimes I have seen new people leave because of that.

Now, you might think that with cold, hard Catholic Truth being preached fervently, we would be a little group of 20 zealots but rather we have more than 300 people, including many large, young families. How many priests preach against dating or against rock music or against NFP as it is commonly taught (that is, as “Catholic birth control” – the World Youth Day Catechism even says we have an obligation to limit our family size! It is commonly taught without regard to modesty and without the important note that it may only be used as long as there is a grave reason to use it, such as a very real danger of death or homelessness) How many priests in the US even preach against contraception? Catholic men, especially, need to be told in no uncertain terms to man-up. That is, to quit living in sin, go to confession and live a holy life like a (good) Crusader or a martyr – Miles Christi, a Soldier of Christ!

So good for this priest. If you support the RH Bill, you are not a good Catholic, you are not a good human being.

 

[Shin]

It’s treasure from Heaven to hear a sermon like that, or even to hear of it. Deo gratias.

‘Lord, are they few that are saved? But he said to them: Strive to enter by the narrow gate; for many, I say to you, shall seek to enter, and shall not be able.’

Luke 13:23-24

 

[Sherry_G]

My priest regularly points out reasons why the faithful may not present themselves for Communion, especially at times when we may have visitors as we are in a resort town. He also preaches about sin and the destruction of our souls brought on by acquiescing to evil. We need more good priests who are unafraid to speak the truth of the Gospel. Having been away from the Church due to my own sins, I beleive that the priest does the most good who tells it like it is. Our faith is a pearl of great price. Those who choose evil for convenience’ sake need to know there is a cost associated with bad choices. I applaud the Philippine priest for speaking clearly.

 

[laginlaan]

Anyone thinking of the priest’s sermon in the Cathedral of Baguio should read and meditate on the Gospel According to St. Mark 11:15-25.
That priest in the cathedral must have been inspired by the Holy Spirit to pave the way for cleansing the present-day Temple which is inside our very selves. Let us feel the physical cleansing that Jesus did and act accordingly.

 

[laszlo]

Without knowning exactly the content of that bill we cannot make proper judgment.

 

[Sirach2]

PilgrimToChrist:

How many priests preach against dating or against rock music or against NFP as it is commonly taught (that is, as “Catholic birth control” – the World Youth Day Catechism even says we have an obligation to limit our family size! It is commonly taught without regard to modesty and without the important note that it may only be used as long as there is a grave reason to use it, such as a very real danger of death or homelessness)

This is SSPX doctrine.
The Church permits NFP, and not only in extreme cases, such as of danger of death. That is a false statement.

The WYD Catechism contained an error in translation from the German text. It was pulled, and is being revised correctly with proper translation. This was discussed thoroughly eksewhere, as you well know. Do you have a point?

 

[ConstantineTG]

Without knowning exactly the content of that bill we cannot make proper judgment.

The bill seeks to publicly fund population control programs, including access to contraceptives to the mostly poor Filipino people. Contraceptives have been widely available in drug stores and convenience stores but since most Filipinos are poor, most cannot afford them. This bill would fund programs that will cover the costs of contraceptives for the poor.

 

[Padraig1972]

The bill seeks to publicly fund population control programs, including access to contraceptives to the mostly poor Filipino people. Contraceptives have been widely available in drug stores and convenience stores but since most Filipinos are poor, most cannot afford them. This bill would fund programs that will cover the costs of contraceptives for the poor.

Forgive me for sounding stupid while asking, but can this be compared to Pro Choice?

 

[ConstantineTG]

Forgive me for sounding stupid while asking, but can this be compared to Pro Choice?

Abortion is not on the bill. It is still illegal in the Philippines. Its part of the Constitution I believe that abortion is not to be made legal in the Philippines, and one reason a lot of contraceptives have been banned in the Philippines because they were deemed abortifacients, therefore illegal. But condoms aren’t illegal and the pill is still contentious.

Of course those against the bill are not only taking the stand with the Church against ABCs, they contend that this eventually will lead to abortions.

 

[laszlo]

The bill seeks to publicly fund population control programs, including access to contraceptives to the mostly poor Filipino people. Contraceptives have been widely available in drug stores and convenience stores but since most Filipinos are poor, most cannot afford them. This bill would fund programs that will cover the costs of contraceptives for the poor.

I wonder how many speakers from here would support significantly higher taxes for the middle and upper classes to hep the poor to provide the dignity of life for their children?

 

[ConstantineTG]

I wonder how many speakers from here would support significantly higher taxes for the middle and upper classes to hep the poor to provide the dignity of life for their children?

Good point and I’m actually surprised that a government that has been in deep debt for decades would seek to fund something like this. But like most 3rd world countries, the marketing of the culture of death is telling people they are poor because there’s too many people. True that the population of the Philippines is exploding, the birth rate is over 3. And those with larger families are usually the poor. The upper middle class to the rich would typically have 2-3 children. Those in the lower middle class and down to those below the poverty line would have over 4. And many people would make the false conclusion that they are poor because they have many kids. Low income plus many mouths to feed means less economic success. That is what they are being told.

 

[Santi2]

Abortion is not on the bill. It is still illegal in the Philippines. Its part of the Constitution I believe that abortion is not to be made legal in the Philippines, and one reason a lot of contraceptives have been banned in the Philippines because they were deemed abortifacients, therefore illegal. But condoms aren’t illegal and the pill is still contentious.

Of course those against the bill are not only taking the stand with the Church against ABCs, they contend that this eventually will lead to abortions.

They have reasons to be wary because International Planned Parenthood is involved in this.

ippf.org/NR/rdonlyres/74E9E7B7-3364-4940-B6CC-4A789432FEC1/0/Philippines.pdf

ippf.org/NR/rdonlyres/8E19D867-2336-4F2F-B078-D15818DFBE49/0/Philipdossier.pdf