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I was just reading the bible and i found these verses. What do you guys make of it?

This is honestly jsut a question, i know nothing about the topic of eating pigs in Christianity (i thought it was allowed)

Deuteronomy 14:8 - And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase.

Isaiah 65:4 - Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine’s flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels;

Matthew 8:31 - So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine
Matthew 8:32 - And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.

devil in swine! good thing i’m not eating that stuff 😃
 
You probably missed the verse where Jesus says that all things are clean and noting that you eat can corrupt you but it is the evil in the heart of man that corrupts.
 
It doesn’t say that devils are in swine, it just describes that some devils were cast into a specific group of swine in that instance. Christians are permitted to eat pig because God declared all food clean when He allowed all cultures to enter into the Covenant.

Jews do not believe that the reason they don’t eat pigs is that they are inherently unclean or wicked, but because God gave them rules to seperate them from the cultures around them. They don’t believe that there is anything inherently unclean about swine, and they don’t think it’s disgusting for non-Jews to eat it. It is simply a rule from God specifically for their people, and they uphold it without question.

Christians believe, like the Jews, that the law in question was to set Jews apart. With the coming of the Messiah, the seperation was no longer required, nor was it desirable. This is also a belief of the Jews, though they believe the Messiah has not yet come. With the coming of the Messiah, and the bringing in of the Gentiles into the Covenant of Salvation, the laws that were specifically designed for seperation, rather than for purely moral/spiritual reasons, were largely left behind. There is no contradiction between Judaism and Christianity in this regard, though there is debate among Jews about what will be allowed after the time of the Messiah. Christians, believing the Messiah has come, have simply settled the debate among themselves.
 
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un_dhimmi:
You probably missed the verse where Jesus says that all things are clean and noting that you eat can corrupt you but it is the evil in the heart of man that corrupts.
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i actually knew of that verse, thats why i got confused when i read the others.
 
Jews do not believe that the reason they don’t eat pigs is that they are inherently unclean or wicked, but because God gave them rules to seperate them from the cultures around them
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ok…is there proof of this from the Bible itself? It seems the verse is telling us exactly why they are forbidden to eat (bolded below)…and ofcourse, its about obeying a commandment of God

.Deuteronomy 14:8 - And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase.

thanks for the explanation
 
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Faith101:
I was just reading the bible and i found these verses.
Deuteronomy 14:8
Isaiah 65:4
Matthew 8:31
Matthew 8:32
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What reading strategy are you using? It seems weird that you would be “just reading” and come across those three passages that aren’t near each other at all :hmmm: :whistle:

I’m just giving you a hard time:p .
 
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Genesis315:
What reading strategy are you using? It seems weird that you would be “just reading” and come across those three passages that aren’t near each other at all :hmmm: :whistle:

I’m just giving you a hard time:p .
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lol, i am actually laughing, your funny… 😛

i only found one. I went online and put in the word “swine” in a bible search and got the rest 😃
 
So you can eat anything at all? But I’m sure that something like eating a brownie with marijuana in it is impermissible. So where is it that things of this sort are forbidden to be eaten?
 
That is where societies laws come in.

God does not need to tell you what to eat and what not to eat.
 
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Eetaq:
So it is not a sin for a catholic to get high?
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Yeah, getting intoxicated is a sin. But consuming a quantity of marijuana to a point where there is not intoxication would not be sinful per se. Marijuana in and of itself is not intrinsically evil.
 
Christ said the body it the Temple of the Lord.

Anything that violates the body is wrong.

Eating pork does not violate the body.

Getting high on grass does.

A drink a day does not.

Getting drunk does.
 
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un_dhimmi:
That is where societies laws come in.

God does not need to tell you what to eat and what not to eat.
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Sorry but i have to throw this in here…but dont the Jews also not eat swine because of there Jewish dietary laws? And from the statement below God does tell them what they eat.
(The short answer to why Jews observe these laws is: because the Torah says so. The Torah does not specify any reason for these laws, and for a Torah-observant, traditional Jew, there is no need for any other reason. Some have suggested that the laws of kashrut fall into the category of “chukkim,” laws for which there is no reason. We show our obedience to G-d by following these laws even though we do not know the reason. Others, however, have tried to ascertain G-d’s reason for imposing these laws.) - jewfaq.org/kashrut.htm
 
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un_dhimmi:
Christ said the body it the Temple of the Lord.

Anything that violates the body is wrong.

Eating pork does not violate the body.

Getting high on grass does.

A drink a day does not.

Getting drunk does.
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My Christian friend once told me “we are allowed to drink, but not get drunk” I thought that was kinda weird for the simple fact that you will never know what gets you drunk until you get drunk at least one time. a couple of drinks for a 300 lbs guy does nothing, while it will knock out a 100 pound lady.

so i guess you gotta break the rule to actualy follow it
 
Nothing is specifically forbidden.

If you smoke and it causes damage to your body, then it is wrong.

If you drink and get drunk or cause damage to your body, then it is wrong.

It is more likely that a teenager will get drunk accidently.

An adult will already know how much he can drink and drink within the limits.

Do you need to be told how much to eat ?

Eating Macdonalds every day is bad for your body. Do you need a religious book to tell you not to do so ?
 
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un_dhimmi:
Nothing is specifically forbidden.

If you smoke and it causes damage to your body, then it is wrong.

If you drink and get drunk or cause damage to your body, then it is wrong.

It is more likely that a teenager will get drunk accidently.

An adult will already know how much he can drink and drink within the limits.

Do you need to be told how much to eat ?

Eating Macdonalds every day is bad for your body. Do you need a religious book to tell you not to do so ?
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According to your Bible, at one point in time, God made it a point to forbid certain food on people.

It’s really interesting how people dont think food should be such a big deal. But what did Adam and Eve do to be removed from Paradise? Murder? Steal? No, God said “dont eat this” and they did.

Perhaps this is another form of that kind of test. And some people are ignoring those verses and making the same mistake. Just an opinion
 
Faith101: As the above poster showed, Jews do not believe that there is a “reason” for the anti-pork laws in Judaism. Notice that God says “they will be unclean to you,” not unclean in general. Judaism, like Catholicism, has a very rich and deep oral tradition that compliments the written, so you won’t necessarily find these exact words in Scripture. For as long as there have been Kosher laws, it has been understood that they have “no reason” beyond God demanding them.

Furthermore, the point at which using a substance becomes evil is when it a) does significant harm to the body, and/or b) inhibits the function of reason. Drinking alcohol or smoking marijuana are not inherently sinful if they are not taken to these extremes.

The sin of Adam and Eve was not eating, it was disobedience. Likewise, it is a sin for a Jew to eat what is forbidden if they understand it to be God’s law.
 
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Faith101: As the above poster showed, Jews do not believe that there is a “reason” for the anti-pork laws in Judaism. Notice that God says "they will be unclean to you
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," not unclean in general. Judaism, like Catholicism, has a very rich and deep oral tradition that compliments the written, so you won’t necessarily find these exact words in Scripture. For as long as there have been Kosher laws, it has been understood that they have “no reason” beyond God demanding them.

Gotcha! thanks for the explanation
Furthermore, the point at which using a substance becomes evil is when it a) does significant harm to the body, and/or b) inhibits the function of reason. Drinking alcohol or smoking marijuana are not inherently sinful if they are not taken to these extremes.
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Thats hard to do. Its like Adam and Eve, once they were right next to the tree, it was so much easier to fall to sin.

I’ve never drank alcohol in my life (ok, one time i accidently swalled a little bit of listerine :eek: )…but from having to hear about it from “friends” i realize that it is that first drink that leads you to the next and the next…and until you wake up in the morning and you have no idea what happened yesterday.

Thank God for Islam…prohibiting us from not going near it…so that there will never be a possibility of us being enslaved by it.
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Thats hard to do. Its like Adam and Eve, once they were right next to the tree, it was so much easier to fall to sin.
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Those who can’t handle it MUST abstain. If it is too difficult for you, then the only holy thing for you to do is not drink. You must understand, however, that different cultures, and even different body types, react differently to alcohol. Some ethnic groups can’t even handle a single drink, while others can drink a bottle of wine solo and still think rationally. Culture influences these factors by exposure and acceptance of boundaries.

We Christians and Jews, however, believe that alcohol is not just ok, but also holy when used properly. It is used to make people glad and praise God. When people get drunk, it is not just a loss of control, it is an abuse of a gift from God.
 
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