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I was going to add … I’m a bit tired of chocolate. The only dessert recipes I have are for Chocolate Tofu Ice Cream and Vegan Chocolate Whacky Cake. Maybe … I don’t know … vanilla flavor would be good or Strawberry. I don’t like lemons or cherries though.

Besides, I’ll share with you my WONDERFUL and IRRESISTIBLE recipe for Chocolate Tofu Ice Cream!!! How can you pass that up? 😉

Also, as a “freebie,” I’ll toss in my recipe for the Vegan (milk free, egg free) Chocolate Whacky Cake. 🙂

Both recipes are very low in saturated fat and are low in calories, well, compared to real Chocolate Ice cream and Real Chocolate cake.

I also have a very good recipe for Vegan Cranberry Cup Cakes that is TOTALLY awesome!! 👍
 
Sorry for multiple posts in a row. I tried editing it all into one, but my 20 minute time limit ran out. To answer some questions:
Since smoking violates the body is that too forbidden?
My opinion is YES, from a Catholic perspective. Smoking is (besides IV drugs) the WORST thing you can do to your body, and nicotine is MORE addictive than Heroine. Smoking is a sin.
Smoking just one cigarette is a near occasion of sin, due to the highly addictive nature of nicotine. Plus, when you smoke, other people inhale the second hand fumes, so you cause bodily harm to others by doing it. It’s a violation of “Thou Shalt not Kill.” Commandment Number Five.

My opinion is that smoking your very first cigarrette would be a mortal sin (because the body is not yet addicted and the Free Will is fully free to choose between good or evil), but once you’re hooked, it’s a venial sin because of diminished capacity (i.e. addictions decrease the “guilt factor” or “culpability” factor because the Free Will is hindered towards choosing the evil choice due to the body’s addiction to Nicotine).

(I’m a health care provider by profession)

What about drinking coffee?

I would say no on this one, as coffee contains antioxidants, which are good for your body, even though Caffeine is mildly addictive. BUT to drink coffee in excess to intentionally get a caffeine “high” would be a sin, but not a grave sin. It would be a venial sin.(A lot of people in college did this during finals week).

What about Methamphetamine?

Highly dangerous. Highly addictive. Against the law. To use it would be a grave mortal sin. Violation of Fourth and Fifth Commandments.

What about chewing tobacco?

Yes, a sin. IT causes lip cancer and if you chew long enough, the doctors will be forced to cut off your lower lip.

What about Alcohol?

Same answer as coffee. Some alcohol, especially Red Wine, is good for your cardiovascular health, even though its addictive. However, to drink alcohol with the intent of getting drunk is a moral sin. The exeption to drunkenness being a sin would be if you either didn’t know you were drinking alcohol, or if you didn’t know alcohol caused drunkenness, or if you didn’t know your limits. Didn’t … uh … Abraham accidentally get drunk? Or was that Isaac? I forget. Anyway, one of the big Old Testament Patriarchs got drunk and passed out, but it wasn’t a sin because he didn’t know that alcohol would cause drunkeness.

Anyway, I think you get the idea…

Basically, for something to be a sin, you must KNOW it’s wrong, and then CHOOSE to go evil instead of good, in a nutshell.
 
Actually, eating Marijuana for a Catholic is a sin and is intriniscally evil because Marijuana is an illegal drug.
Here’s your lapse in logic. Breaking a legitimate law is an intrinsic evil, but consuming marijuana is not an intrinsic evil, because the evil comes from violation of law.

In places where marijuana is legal, as it is in the U.S. in some places for medical reasons, consuming marijuana would in no way be sinful. Therefore consuming marijuana can’t be said to be an intrinsic evil.
 
Here’s your lapse in logic. Breaking a legitimate law is an intrinsic evil, but consuming marijuana is not an intrinsic evil, because the evil comes from violation of law.
I dunno about that. If A=B and B=C, then A=C. There’s a term for this in mathematics … us … intrinsic property of equality? Can’t remember the exact term.

Question is, does this apply to religious ethics? Possibly. The act of consuming an illegal drug is intrinsically evil because it is an illegal drug. A better, more complete statement would be that in places where marijuana is illegal, the act of consuming marijuana is evil. The two things are connected, you see, legality and consumption. In places where marijuana is legal, the act of consumption is not intriniscally evil. I’m not sure if you can separate these things. Possibly though. You may be correct, technically.

But, in this particular forum, we’re trying to evangelize to Muslims, and I think Pharisiacal arguments such as this aren’t helpful to that cause. We Catholics should try to stick to the basics because it is likely that Muslims aren’t going to be able to relate or understand how these type of technical arguments aid in our Salvation.

It would be like my trying to understand some technical argument between a Sunni and Shiite Muslim. Frankly, I have absolutely no clue whatsoever what the difference is, but to a Muslim, the difference is night vs day. That’s why we should just stick to the basics of Catholicism instead of diving deep into the issues of moral ethics.

That’s my opinion though. I think that evangelization should be simple and shouldn’t get too complex, for if it gets too complex, the Forest is lost within the maze of trees and you get lost in the undergrowth.
 
But, in this particular forum, we’re trying to evangelize to Muslims, and I think Pharisiacal arguments such as this aren’t helpful to that cause. We Catholics should try to stick to the basics because it is likely that Muslims aren’t going to be able to relate or understand how these type of technical arguments aid in our Salvation.
The problem is that Muslims could then come back with the fact that the Church does not forbid the use of marijuana outright, and they’d be absolutely correct. They could show us examples of faithful Catholics using marijuana legally and medicinally in states such as Washington and California, and the Catholics who claimed that marijuana use was intrinsically evil would be forced to back-pedal rather than move forward.

Simplicity is certainly important, but not at the expense of clarity. I agree that this issue shouldn’t even have to come up, but once it has it’s important to address it correctly, so we don’t present a chink in the Church that doesn’t actually exist.

God bless 🙂
 
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My compliments to posters on this thread for what has been a rational, civil, (and occasionally amusing 😉 ) presentation of Muslim, Christian, and Judaic outlooks on various food products (and other consumables :rolleyes: ).

And I don’t mean to sound patronizing in saying that - it is a topic that is, admittedly, neither as emotion-wrought or evocative of deeply held theological belief as many doctrinal and dogmatic issues. However, the fact that it can be discussed with charity and even some lightheartedness, without disrespecting one another’s beliefs, gives hope that folks can put the same effort into discussing, exploring, and trying to understand (which doesn’t demand agreement with) one another’s outlooks on other matters.

Thank you. We now return you to Pigs, already in progress .

Joe
 
OKAY … Ghost is right. I’ll leave it at that.

Now, what about those recipes! How can you Muslims pass up the chance to make your very own homemade Tofu Chocolate Ice Cream?? Come on!!! I’m dying here!. HA.

Ok … Ok. So maybe I’m not TEMPTING you enough. I’ll up the ante. If you provide me with an Arabic or Eastern recipe on something tasty (doesn’t even need to be a dessert) that is dairy-free, then I’ll provide you ALSO with a recipe called, “The World’s Greatest Vegan Macaroni and Cheese.” Yes. Macaroni and cheese without cheese! With a very clever combination of paprika and other “stuff,” one can create a cheese-like sauce that has the texture of Mac and cheese. It actually tastes like cheese! Plus, I’ll even throw in my little modification so that you can make Dairy-Free Chili Macaroni and Cheese. This recipe includes beef, so I can’t call it Vegan.

Also, I do eat meat. I love to eat animals. Once, I ate a Rattlesnake. It tasted like chicken. This is a true story … When I was ten, my dad was teaching me to drive his VW bug on a deserted dirt road in Eastern Oregon. (We’re a bunch of rednecked hillbillies). Anyway, we came upon a slithering but headless thing in the road. I stopped the car and looked at it. A rancher came up to the window and told dad that he’d just chopped the head off a rattlesnake and tossed the body in the road. He asked if we wanted it. Dad said yes.

Anyway, this is so GROSS, but it was still moving. Dad got out and put the STILL MOVING headless snake in a paper bag and stuck it on the floor beside the front passenger seat. I then had to drive the car back home while Dad babysat the dying snake. I could see the bag MOVING out of the corner of my eye! I was SO freaked out, girl-style. When we got home Dad skinned it, chopped it up into five inch segments, and the boiled it in a pot. It did, indeed, taste like chicken. I wasn’t allergic to milk back then, and I remember smothering it in lots of butter. YUM! Didn’t have much meat on it though. We saved the skin because it was cool!!!

And yes, Catholics are allowed to eat snakes. Besides, there is poetic justice in eating snakes because Satan appeared once as a snake. The idea of catching a snake, chopping its head off, skinning it, chopping it up, taking pleasure in eating it, and then later drying out the skin and hanging it in your window for the world to see seems like an exercise in Justice. It’s like telling Satan to goto Hell. HA!

(For those who don’t know … Vegan means no animal products, meaning, no eggs, no milk, no oils derived from animal fat, etc. Vegan food is always safe for people with milk problems because the Vegan people are pretty picky about their food. Vegans are actually, shall we say, somewhat MILITANT about their food content! Some Vegans are borderline insane about it. It’s hilarious. LOL!!!).
 
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Fox:
If you abuse your body you will answer to God in some way, for we are God’s stewards of His creation. God created our bodies and we should act as such and watch what we eat and consume. To try not to maximise what God has given you is to folly. A normal person should be physically fit, mentally sharp, and spiritually strong.

Side note-pigs are fithy animals that will eat its own feces amongst other unsavoury things, why would you want to eat such a animal? I know about pigs because I have seen them and been with them a lot. Pigs are the garbage disposals, along with crustaceans, of the animal kingdom.
Pork is one of the best things in the world to eat. Try some baby back ribs slow-cooked over some mesquite wood for 6 hours and then tell me how filthy pigs are. If being filthy creates meat like that then I wish more animals were “filthy”. MMMM MMMM MMM MM MMMMMMM!
 
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Fox:
Side note-pigs are fithy animals that will eat its own feces amongst other unsavoury things, why would you want to eat such a animal? I know about pigs because I have seen them and been with them a lot. Pigs are the garbage disposals, along with crustaceans, of the animal kingdom.
Just as another side not chickens also eat their own feces and each other if given the chance. Pigs will also eat there own feces if you leave them to their own devices…Of course, the pork you buy in the supermarket these days doesn’t come from pigs that have been running wild and eating who knows what, and it has been inspected and so forth. So yes, I will eat PORK over chicken any day!!!
 
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Tmaque:
Pork is one of the best things in the world to eat. Try some baby back ribs slow-cooked over some mesquite wood for 6 hours and then tell me how filthy pigs are. If being filthy creates meat like that then I wish more animals were “filthy”. MMMM MMMM MMM MM MMMMMMM!
I ate my first rack of ribs about 8 months ago…mmm…mmm…mmm…mmm…mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Man, was I ever deprived.
 
OK. If I’m going to RECEIVE something, I SUPPOSE I have to give first. HA. So, my Muslim, Catholic and Miscellaneous religion friends, for your culinary pleasure … TOFU CHOCOLATE “ICE CREAM”

DRUMROLLS …

Since Tofu packages usually come in either 12 or 16 oz packages, I’ve written the recipe adjusted for both.

TOFU CHOCOLATE ICE CREAM #1
Ingredients
  • One 12 oz package of Soft Silken Tofu (I use Mori-Nu brand Soft Silken Tofu)
  • 3 Tablespoons unsweetened Cocoa powder
  • 1/2 cup of Sugar
  • Vanilla extract to taste (approximately 1/2 teaspoon)
Put all the ingredients into a blender and blend until smooth. Taste test the mix, and if needed add more sugar, chocolate, or vanilla. Put into a freezer safe container and freeze. Once frozen, put in bowl and eat. I like to soften it up a little first by putting it in the microwave on “defrost” or “low” for 30 seconds and then stirring it. This recipe is REALLY rich! Very chocolately. The final consistency is like that of “Ice Milk,” the soft stuff you get at Dairy Queen.

TOFU CHOCOLATE ICE CREAM #2
Ingredients
  • One 16 oz package of Soft Silken Tofu
  • 4 Tablespoons unsweetened Cocoa powder
  • 3/4 cup of Sugar
  • Vanilla extract to taste (approximately 3/4 teaspoon)
Put all the ingredients into a blender and blend until smooth. Taste test the mix, and if needed add more sugar, chocolate, or vanilla. Put into a freezer safe container and freeze. Once frozen, put in bowl and eat. I like to soften it up a little first by putting it in the microwave on “defrost” or “low” for 30 seconds and then stirring it. This recipe is REALLY rich! Very chocolately.

Nutrition info for 1/4 serving is approximately 70 calories, 3 grams of fat, and 6 grams of protein. HEALTHY!!!

NOW, I’M GOING ON VACATION FOR 2 WEEKS, and when I get back, I’ll consider giving up my other recipes. HA.

God bless!
 
I’d also like to add that fish also munch on their poo. I had guppies when I was little, and I watched them and saw with my own eyes my fish eating their own poo.

Fish also swim in their own poo.
 
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hawk:
I ate my first rack of ribs about 8 months ago…mmm…mmm…mmm…mmm…mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Man, was I ever deprived.
That reminds me of a funny story. One of my Muslim friends asked me if baby-back ribs were made of beef or pork. I wasn’t sure but I said I thought they were (and since have found out they are) pork. He said he asked me because he went to Chili’s or somewhere like that and ordered the baby-back ribs thinking they were beef and his parents weren’t aware of it either so they didn’t stop him. He said he thought they were pretty good but then he found out it was pork!! :rotfl:
 
GAAAAAAHHH!!!

All this talk about ribs is making me HUNGRY! I can’t AFFORD to go out and eat good ribs right now! I’m about to report all you guys for harassment if this mentioning of delicious food that I can’t afford isn’t stopped IMMEDIATELY!!!

whimper I want my baby-back-baby-back-baby-back…whimper

:crying: :crying: :crying:

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
 
That reminds me of a funny story. One of my Muslim friends asked me if baby-back ribs were made of beef or pork. I wasn’t sure but I said I thought they were (and since have found out they are) pork. He said he asked me because he went to Chili’s or somewhere like that and ordered the baby-back ribs thinking they were beef and his parents weren’t aware of it either so they didn’t stop him. He said he thought they were pretty good but then he found out it was pork!!
They’re not from pork, they’re from babies! Christians eat babies!!!

Mmmmmmmmm…babies…

:rotfl:
 
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Ghosty:
They’re not from pork, they’re from babies! Christians eat babies!!!

Mmmmmmmmm…babies…

:rotfl:
Hey Dr. Evil… I’ve got a business proposal for ye’! Ye’ keep yer money, ye’ keep yer mojo… but I want the BABY!!

(Sorry, normally I’m not one for quoting movies but this time I just couldn’t resist) 😃
 
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