Planned Parenthood senior official caught discussing business in fetal organs [CWN]

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whipp711 said:
Not a peep out of CNN, ABC, NBC, AP, (other than Fox). So disappointing.
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What they are doing is legal but distasteful to people who were not aware of the practice. It also brings home how abortions are much more a business revenue stream than an altruistic service for empowering women. The clinic charges for the abortion and then rakes in cash on the recycling. It helps explain why PP really doesn’t want to show ultrasounds that might tip a potential revenue stream to keep their baby.

There are similarities with the blood business where the pint you donate for a cookie sells for $200 to $600. When my local blood bank was calling x5 a day to schedule my next ‘donation’, their marketing tactics made it clear serious money was being made. While I like to help with blood, I resent being a free cash cow when the hospitals are charging the patient thousands.
 
Theo520 said:
What they are doing is legal but distasteful to people who were not aware of the practice. It also brings home how abortions are much more a business revenue stream than an altruistic service for empowering women. The clinic charges for the abortion and then rakes in cash on the recycling. It helps explain why PP really doesn’t want to show ultrasounds that might tip a potential revenue stream to keep their baby.

There are similarities with the blood business where the pint you donate for a cookie sells for $200 to $600. When my local blood bank was calling x5 a day to schedule my next ‘donation’, their marketing tactics made it clear serious money was being made. While I like to help with blood, I resent being a free cash cow when the hospitals are charging the patient thousands.
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It probably is legal but one point that was made in another article I read. If they are changing the way they perform abortions so that they can better harvest the organs without damage, they are putting the patient (the mother) second to the harvesting of the organs. Not sure if it’s illegal but it’s still unethical. I’m sure the supporters can come up with some apologetics to hand wave it away.

I gave blood for cash before. I think it was $25 to test your blood (for diseases and what-not) and $50 for the actual donation. If I remember correctly we were paid as test subjects, not for the donation, similar to being paid to take part in a study. The company sold the blood to researchers.
 
I see the apologists are already coming out defending this, Cosmo and others.

It’s legal, it’s tissue donation. Very repugnant.

By the law, I suppose it can be defended, thank goodness, many people see through this.

I see the Massachusetts Planned Parenthood has come out and said they do not carry out this practice. But this is just their word, this is an editorial and a Massachusetts congressman nonetheless, wants them investigated.
**Planned Parenthood of Massachusetts: No tissue donation here **
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The Massachusetts branch of Planned Parenthood does not participate in any tissue donation program, a spokeswoman said today as a national furor brewed over a video purporting to show a national Planned Parenthood executive discussing organ harvesting.
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No such practice takes place at Planned Parenthood of Massachusetts, said Elizabeth Clark, director of health media at the Planned Parenthood Federation of America.
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bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2015/07/planned_parenthood_of_massachusetts_no_tissue_donation_here
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Path_Finder said:
I see the apologists are already coming out defending this, Cosmo and others.

It’s legal, it’s tissue donation. Very repugnant.

By the law, I suppose it can be defended, thank goodness, many people see through this.

I see the Massachusetts Planned Parenthood has come out and said they do not carry out this practice. But this is just their word, this is an editorial and a Massachusetts congressman nonetheless, wants them investigated.
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Herein lies the problem.As long as something is " legal" it is permissible.Morals are completely left out of the equation.So easy to rationalize any and all illicit behavior just so long as it falls under the umbrella of being legal.
 
Reading comments on news stories, someone brought something up that is now bothering me. Can a Christian take part in deceit even if the result is good in some way? Isn’t praising the video makers in a sense praising deceit? Do the ends justify the means in this case?
 
Speaker Boehner Calls for Hearings on Grisly Abortion Practices, Says President Obama Should Denounce Them
WASHINGTON, DC – House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) issued the following statement on the video released yesterday documenting the grisly practices embraced by Planned Parenthood:
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“Nothing is more precious than life, especially an unborn child. When anyone diminishes an unborn child, we are all hurt, irreversibly so. When an organization monetizes an unborn child – and with the cavalier attitude portrayed in this horrific video – we must all act. As a start, I have asked our relevant committees to look into this matter. I am also calling on President Obama and Health and Human Services Secretary Sylvia Burwell to denounce, and stop, these gruesome practice."
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Energy and Commerce Committee Launches Investigation Following “Abhorrent” Planned Parenthood Video - See more at: energycommerce.house.gov/press-release/energy-and-commerce-committee-launches-investigation-following-%E2%80%9Cabhorrent%E2%80%9D-planned#sthash.8bzpHHbp.dpuf
WASHINGTON, DC – House Energy and Commerce Committee leaders today began an investigation following the release of a video revealing the Planned Parenthood Senior Director of Medical Services discussing the sale of fetal body parts. The sale of fetal body parts for profit is illegal.
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“This video is abhorrent and rips at the heart. The committee will get to the bottom of this appalling situation,” commented full committee Chairman Fred Upton (R-MI), Vice Chairman Marsha Blackburn (R-TN), Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee Chairman Tim Murphy (R-PA), and Health Subcommittee Chairman Joe Pitts (R-PA).
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It’s not enough to cut off PP’s federal funding. PP must be outlawed. It is a criminal cabal.

It must get to the point that one would sooner be known as a member of the KKK than be a member of that loathsome entity.
 
J_Peterson said:
Reading comments on news stories, someone brought something up that is now bothering me. Can a Christian take part in deceit even if the result is good in some way? Isn’t praising the video makers in a sense praising deceit? Do the ends justify the means in this case?
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If I were hiding Jews during Nazi occupied Germany and had to lie about it, does that make me deceitful or rather have I done something wrong?

p.s. Those who saved Jews despite the enormity of deceit and subterfuge involved are considered heroes for what they did.
 
zz912 said:
Another wrinkle that some may not realize, this whole evil practice of selling baby organs actually completely undermines the pro-choice argument. They admit they are selling human organs that are fully functional and healthy. Well that means they came from a human being, not a clump of cells.
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👍 That’s an excellent point. Thank you.
 
josie_L said:
If I were hiding Jews during Nazi occupied Germany and had to lie about it, does that make me deceitful or rather have I done something wrong?

p.s. Those who saved Jews despite the enormity of deceit and subterfuge involved are considered heroes for what they did.
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That’s a good point. That’s kind of what I figured but the question gave me pause for a moment.
 
J_Peterson said:
Reading comments on news stories, someone brought something up that is now bothering me. Can a Christian take part in deceit even if the result is good in some way? Isn’t praising the video makers in a sense praising deceit? Do the ends justify the means in this case?
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I think there is some dispute about the whole undercover filming thing but check this out, it was written prior to the undercover video released recently:
Why Live Action did right and why we all should know that
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PETER KREEFT
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catholiceducation.org/en/religion-and-philosophy/apologetics/why-live-action-did-right-and-why-we-all-should-know-that.html
 
It sounds like their video shows Connie Chung reporting in the year 2000 that Planned Parenthood was selling body parts if you watch it. So, this was an “expose” but an expose on what we already knew. It just isn’t spoken about enough.

If you have someone who even per abortion practices is acting wrongly, like say a Dr. Gosnell, would it have been wrong to set a sting on him? Too, this may even be legal, what was discussed. I’m just not sure about the deception. Yes, they acted like they were businessmen. On the other hand, Planned Parenthood is being a bit deceptive, do not get the inspections in general as some other organizations that receive government monies.
 
Path_Finder said:
How interesting that the WAPO, Washington Post link still reads:

washingtonpost.com/politics/undercover-video-shows-planned-parenthood-exec-discussing-organ-harvesting/2015/07/14/ae330e34-2a4d-11e5-bd33-395c05608059_story.html

The unadulterated URL - washingtonpost.com/politics/undercover-video-shows-planned-parenthood-exec-discussing-organ-harvesting/2015/07/14/ae330e34-2a4d-11e5-bd33-395c05608059_story.html
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I believe readable URLs are typically established when a page is created and the page title is chosen. If they just changed the headline copy within that page, the URL would have remained the same unless they go into page title code, which is different from the visible content within the page.
 
I read the transcript of the 2+ hour video. Even if it was edited, there is more than enough context that was retained before and after the controversial statements to make editing a non issue. The rep from PP was very careful to frame the charge as a fee for procurement and not for the actual matter. The fetuses seem to be sold as units in order to avoid legal charges for specific organs, but she did mention that she would preform the abortions differently if she wanted to save specific areas or organs. It is important to note that it does not appear that the organs were supposed to be “viable”, but stable enough to conduct medical research on. I dont think that the fees are in themselves illegal, but it does seem that they may charge extra in order to fund other departments of PP. That extra charge might be illegal.
 
relstudent said:
I read the transcript of the 2+ hour video. Even if it was edited, there is more than enough context that was retained before and after the controversial statements to make editing a non issue. The rep from PP was very careful to frame the charge as a fee for procurement and not for the actual matter. The fetuses seem to be sold as units in order to avoid legal charges for specific organs, but she did mention that she would preform the abortions differently if she wanted to save specific areas or organs. It is important to note that it does not appear that the organs were supposed to be “viable”, but stable enough to conduct medical research on. I dont think that the fees are in themselves illegal, but it does seem that they may charge extra in order to fund other departments of PP. That extra charge might be illegal.
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I noticed this early on even in the edited version that what she was referring to is part of the Uniform anatomical gift act. It is legal to donate aborted fetuses as long as the fees are not for the actual parts. I mentioned in an earlier post the possibility of them considering the nominal amounts $30-$100 as procurement fees.

The most disturbing revelation of the encounter is she really seems to enjoy this aspect of her job…When she talks about evacuating the calvarium it seems she is referring to an illegal procedure though trying to rationalize it legally that it was not the original “intent” to proceed this way.

I have no doubt that PP has very shrewd attorneys who are already covering this.
I am interested in the subsequent vids that they say are to be released in the next months.
 
A half a billion$$$of federal funds annually,to kill innocent babies and make a profit from selling their body parts.This is beyond evil.I agree with a prior post,PP MUST be defunded.
Sickening
 
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