Please explain differences in Masses

[Podo2004]

Kielbasi:

Maybe many priests would like to say the Latin mass, but the bishops know that the vast majority of the people don’t want to attend Latin mass.

Most Catholics today were born after the English mass was promulgated. Of those who remember the Latin mass, most are now used to the English mass and don’t want change after 35 years or so of English.

Maybe in the long run, going back to Latin might be a great thing, but in the short term it will definitely irritate some of the people and cause a dip in attendance at mass.

I’ve studied it a little, come to think of it when i was smaller(so i probably wouldn’t remember) i might have attended one with the altar rail and all… That’s not the reason why catholics want to keep the english mass… it’s because It was an extremely good change from the TLM mass… my grandmother remembers the old mass but now that she reads often she’s found out stuff that the old mass had mislead her(or the teachings back then) into believe that it was always the way of the tridentine mass. But now she realises that it wasn’t always like that and the novus ordo mass brought stuff back that was before tridentine(not exactly but)
It would certainly irritate me if the old mass was brought back, i mean if it was so great then why did vatican II arise? There must have been something wrong
Podo

 

[jimmy]

Podo2004:

No need i prefer modern things anyway, and BTW I wouldn’t understand the tridentine mass because it’s in latin so how can I enjoy it? I’ve read about and prefer the new one.
Podo

Latin is an easy language to learn.

I thought that post was funny because you said more funnier after you talked about miserie cordie’ spelling.

 

[jimmy]

Podo2004:

No need i prefer modern things anyway, and BTW I wouldn’t understand the tridentine mass because it’s in latin so how can I enjoy it? I’ve read about and prefer the new one.
Podo

You can’t know the latin mass unless you attend it.

 

[Podo2004]

jimmy:

Latin is an easy language to learn.

I thought that post was funny because you said more funnier after you talked about miserie cordie’ spelling.

ok then you’ve had your laugh now quit it, honestly i might have to hurt you:banghead: ok then that’s settled, i spelled wrong it happens. Ok then sorry i accused you misericordie there happy? Oh boy…
Podo

 

[Kielbasi]

Podo, the people in the pews now like the English mass.

Not everyone who was alive and well in the 60s did at the time.

Numerous people never went back to regular attendance after the Latin mass was established. But of those who continued to attend, regardless of their initial feeling, either liked it from the start or learned to like it.

People don’t like change, especially in religion and if they were to go back to Latin, many in the pews today wouldn’t like it either, because it would be a change.

 

[misericordie]

Kielbasi:

Maybe many priests would like to say the Latin mass, but the bishops know that the vast majority of the people don’t want to attend Latin mass.

Most Catholics today were born after the English mass was promulgated. Of those who remember the Latin mass, most are now used to the English mass and don’t want change after 35 years or so of English.

Maybe in the long run, going back to Latin might be a great thing, but in the short term it will definitely irritate some of the people and cause a dip in attendance at mass.

Actually the majority of well educated catholics like the latin Mass: those who are tired of all the noise and jazz masses etc.

 

[Podo2004]

jimmy:

You can’t know the latin mass unless you attend it.

It’s like saying buy this 1980 computer instead of the new XP! It’s still legal and you never know until you try it, it might be the best! Ya right…
Podo

 

[Podo2004]

Kielbasi:

Podo, the people in the pews now like the English mass.

Not everyone who was alive and well in the 60s did at the time.

Numerous people never went back to regular attendance after the Latin mass was established. But of those who continued to attend, regardless of their initial feeling, either liked it from the start or learned to like it.

People don’t like change, especially in religion and if they were to go back to Latin, many in the pews today wouldn’t like it either, because it would be a change.

That’s sad that people can’t accept the change(Vatican II)
Podo

 

[Podo2004]

Kielbasi:

Podo, the people in the pews now like the English mass.

Not everyone who was alive and well in the 60s did at the time.

Numerous people never went back to regular attendance after the Latin mass was established. But of those who continued to attend, regardless of their initial feeling, either liked it from the start or learned to like it.

People don’t like change, especially in religion and if they were to go back to Latin, many in the pews today wouldn’t like it either, because it would be a change.

Actually it would be going back to the old mass
Why can’t you just accept the change of vatican 2?
Podo

 

[katolik]

Podo2004:

Actually it would be going back to the old mass
Why can’t you just accept the change of vatican 2?
Podo

The changes in the Roman Rite Mass are only one part of the Post Vatican II changes… The list is long and winding and I can’t name them all at once here.
Basically its

1. New Mass
   2.New Theology
   3.New Catholicism[not new religion but a new way of being Catholic]
   and eventually it will become a new church or a religion if this modern mess doesn’t end in about a 100 years :crying: :crying: :crying: .

 

[jimmy]

Podo2004:

It’s like saying buy this 1980 computer instead of the new XP! It’s still legal and you never know until you try it, it might be the best! Ya right…
Podo

this isn’t a computer that I am talking about. If one mass is better than the other, the latin would definately be the better mass.

I have attended several NO churches, and that is what I normally attend, but I have also attended the tridentine several times and the beauty of the tridentine is amazing. It is much closer to the original than the new mass. It is also much more similar to the Byzantine liturgy which shows an early origin for the Latin mass.

Although the latin mass is the mass of Pius V, it is taken from the mass of Gregory the Great in the 6th century. It is similar to what he did. It is also very similar to the Chysostom(400AD) liturgy, which is the Byzantine liturgy, so there is a very close resemblance to the early mass.

To tell the truth, not condemning the NO, but I think it is very superficial compared to the tlm. It basicly skims over the way it was, with many less prayers, and prayers made shorter.

We don’t have a greater knowledge of how to worship God now than they had 400 years ago. I have tried the new mass and the old mass, and I have found that the XP does not compare to the old fashioned hard work and worshiping. I have found that the XP is cutting corners and sells a weaker product, and I think they have been losing business and respect from the loss in quality.

(I know I took the analogy to the limit, but I wanted to use your analogy."

 

[jimmy]

Podo2004:

That’s sad that people can’t accept the change(Vatican II)
Podo

Why would someone want to go from the top quality to a lower level of quality?

Its like chocolate, once you have had gadiva or wagner or Saris or what ever you like there is no going back to hershey. You would much rather have the gadiva.

 

[Kielbasi]

I’m used to the English mass, I accept that its going to be here for the rest of my lifetime.

But a lot of people didn’t, including people I know. Back in the day you didn’t need to know when to keep your elbows away from your ribs, because the short Reubenesque parishioner next to you wasn’t going to give you a bear hug at the sign of peace. A lot of Catholics didn’t want to have to learn those kinds of things.

And didn’t.

The Latin mass, of course, provided a sufficient amount of time for the people to engage in their own devotions. After 35 years, I’m not sure how people would cope with that challenge.

People like things to be the same, that’s why many of the same prayers are said each week, in either mass.

 

[jimmy]

Podo2004:

ok then you’ve had your laugh now quit it, honestly i might have to hurt you:banghead: ok then that’s settled, i spelled wrong it happens. Ok then sorry i accused you misericordie there happy? Oh boy…
Podo

Just playin around.

 

[jimmy]

Kielbasi:

I’m used to the English mass, I accept that its going to be here for the rest of my lifetime.

But a lot of people didn’t, including people I know. Back in the day you didn’t need to know when to keep your elbows away from your ribs, because the short Reubenesque parishioner next to you wasn’t going to give you a bear hug at the sign of peace. A lot of Catholics didn’t want to have to learn those kinds of things.

And didn’t.

The Latin mass, of course, provided a sufficient amount of time for the people to engage in their own devotions. After 35 years, I’m not sure how people would cope with that challenge.

People like things to be the same, that’s why many of the same prayers are said each week, in either mass.

I don’t think it would go over well if latin was returned as the official mass. We would lose alot of members of the church.

 

[katolik]

jimmy:

I don’t think it would go over well if latin was returned as the official mass. We would lose alot of members of the church.

I think the Church would lose some members but they would be liberals… They would be the ones who are least needed in the Church. As time goes by the TLM will increase in the Church and keep on growing and growing,if the priests who say it are good and Catholic.

 

[AmyS]

misericordie:

Actually the majority of well educated catholics like the latin Mass: those who are tired of all the noise and jazz masses etc.

Well, those people must be from them there Blue States, and counties… Everyone knows us people that voted for the Red aren’t very highly educated aren’t we…

 

[AmyS]

katolik:

I think the Church would lose some members but they would be liberals… They would be the ones who are least needed in the Church. As time goes by the TLM will increase in the Church and keep on growing and growing,if the priests who say it are good and Catholic.

Yeah you are probably right, but…

What if it went the opposite way would you leave? If not why?

You need to get over these traditions you are so hooked on, it is the Traditions that matter… I would go where ever I needed to go to get the Eucharist… Being so focused on something because of it’s beauty, music, the visual pleasure it brings is NOT what we are there for… Don’t be misguided…

Now if you would except that some people feel more reverance in the NOM and that is right for them then fine… If you are at the TLM for the same reason that is absolutely wonderful. :ehh: good and Catholic priests would realize that… That’s pretty judgemental.

 

[Kielbasi]

I don’t think the church would lose many members at all, if the Latin mass came back.
But there would be less in the pews on Sundays , for a while anyhow. Just like when the English mass was introduced.

And that’s reason one as to why its unlikely to occur any time soon. Reason two, is that it takes a good knowledge of Latin as well as considerable skill to properly say Latin mass. The “new” English mass allows a lot more flexibility.

The investment to actually train thousands of priests to say it, when the average priest today barely knows enough Latin to read the slogan on a pack of cigarettes, would be incredible.

It isn’t going to happen.

 

[bear06]

jimmy:

You can’t know the latin mass unless you attend it.

Been to the Tridentine on a number of occaisions. Just prefer and am attached to the Pauline mass said according to the rubrics.