Please explain to me why gay marriage is wrong

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Zoltan_Cobalt said:
They are the highest moral and ethical principles ever articulated by any moral or religious teacher.

“Love God with your whole heart, with your whole soul, with your whole mind and strength. And Love your neighbor as yourself.”

To love God one must keep his Commandments and they, in turn, are reflected in the teaching of the Catholic Church. Therefore. to love God, one must accept the fact that marriage is a union of a man and a woman and "gay marriage is simply wrong.
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Fine I accept it is wrong according to Catholic teaching. The Catholic Church absolutely has the freedom to teach whatever it wants. But when it comes to civil society., i.e., government, the Catholic Church nor any church should be determining what is legal and what is not. You can think it is immoral and the person will burn in hell for all eternity, that is your right and I will never try to take it away from you. What I am opposed to is using religious belief to justify denying to people rights and privileges that I enjoy simply because I find it immoral or gross. If two gay men love each other and want to get married, none of my business from a legal standpoint. I can try to convince them all I want that they are immoral sinners, but I have no right to deny them the same freedom, love and compassion that I want for myself.
 
Catholic13 said:
Congratulations you got **another **thread about homosexuality off topic. :yawn:

Meanwhile God and the bible still denounce homosexual activity.
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So, if you want tho live by the rules of the OT, feel free to do so. The Gospels of our Lord trump the “old law” as indicated by facts such as circumcision, dietary regulations and plural marriage. If you wish to live by scripture alone, then you are heading towards protestant sola scriptura. :eek:
 
Catholic13 said:
Congratulations you got **another **thread about homosexuality off topic. :yawn:

Meanwhile God and the bible still denounce homosexual activity.
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You can’t argue about homosexuality in a vacuum and pretend that other topics which demonstrate a change in how Christians or Jews understand morality are not relevant.
 
kozlosap said:
So, if you want tho live by the rules of the OT, feel free to do so. The Gospels of our Lord trump the “old law” as indicated by facts such as circumcision, dietary regulations and plural marriage. If you wish to live by scripture alone, then you are heading towards protestant sola scriptura. :eek:
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:rolleyes: I will not bend to the homosexual agenda. Don’t even try it with me.
 
Thorolfr said:
You can’t argue about homosexuality in a vacuum and pretend that other topics which demonstrate a change in how Christians or Jews understand morality are not relevant.
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The view on adultery never changed. So why would there be a change in homosexuality, but adultery, stealing, etc. did not change. What are the criteria for knowing what actions are now ok And what is still not ok?

What is your argument that something that was considered wrong should now be considered okay
 
tomberg said:
Fine I accept it is wrong according to Catholic teaching. The Catholic Church absolutely has the freedom to teach whatever it wants. But when it comes to civil society., i.e., government, the Catholic Church nor any church should be determining what is legal and what is not. You can think it is immoral and the person will burn in hell for all eternity, that is your right and I will never try to take it away from you. What I am opposed to is using religious belief to justify denying to people rights and privileges that I enjoy simply because I find it immoral or gross. If two gay men love each other and want to get married, none of my business from a legal standpoint. I can try to convince them all I want that they are immoral sinners, but I have no right to deny them the same freedom, love and compassion that I want for myself.
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You are not looking at homosexual behavior properly. Is it ordered or disordered? Biologically speaking, it is not ordered. You don’t need to add religion to the equation.

You also miss the fact that once gay marriage is legalized in a state, little kids are given story books that show them gay marriage is OK. THAT is everybody’s business. Why the propaganda to little kids in public schools? Ask yourself: Are they mentally or emotionally prepared for propaganda? No, of course not. But the gay marriage is OK line continues its advertising campaign.

This all started in 1973:

amazon.com/Homosexuality-American-Psychiatry-Politics-Diagnosis/dp/0691028370

Peace,
Ed

Yes, at one time, what the LGBT people I worked with did was none of my business and they did not advertise. I did not think for one moment what they did on their own time and we got along. Today? Bigot! Homophobe (not me)! Hater!

It’s called “engineering consent.”
 
Catholic13 said:
:rolleyes: I will not bend to the homosexual agenda. Don’t even try it with me.
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Since I’m a straight old gal, I have no so called gay agenda. LOL! Having taught High school for thirty five years, I personality witnessed the difference for LGBTQ youth when people started realizing that gay individuals were not a second class group to make fun of, ridicule and hate, but they were their sons, daughter’s, doctors, Teachers and clergy. It appears that you are either very young, or have little experience in the real world except for theories handed down by different people. In this world, out is so easy too devalue an entire group of people until it hits home for you.🙂 I hope I’m wrong, and you are just debating for the sake of debating.
 
kozlosap said:
Since I’m a straight old gal, I have no so called gay agenda. LOL! Having taught High school for thirty five years, I personality witnessed the difference for LGBTQ youth when people started realizing that gay individuals were not a second class group to make fun of, ridicule and hate, but they were their sons, daughter’s, doctors, Teachers and clergy. It appears that you are either very young, or have little experience in the real world except for theories handed down by different people. In this world, out is so easy too devalue an entire group of people until it hits home for you.🙂 I hope I’m wrong, and you are just debating for the sake of debating.
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What makes you think I’m young? How am I devaluing an entire group? How did I ridicule and hate them?
 
tomberg said:
Fine I accept it is wrong according to Catholic teaching. The Catholic Church absolutely has the freedom to teach whatever it wants. But when it comes to civil society., i.e., government, the Catholic Church nor any church should be determining what is legal and what is not. You can think it is immoral and the person will burn in hell for all eternity, that is your right and I will never try to take it away from you. What I am opposed to is using religious belief to justify denying to people rights and privileges that I enjoy simply because I find it immoral or gross. If two gay men love each other and want to get married, none of my business from a legal standpoint. I can try to convince them all I want that they are immoral sinners, but I have no right to deny them the same freedom, love and compassion that I want for myself.
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so, are you explaining why gay marriage is wrong? or are you explaining why it is right?
 
tomberg said:
Fine I accept it is wrong according to Catholic teaching. The Catholic Church absolutely has the freedom to teach whatever it wants. But when it comes to civil society., i.e., government, the Catholic Church nor any church should be determining what is legal and what is not. You can think it is immoral and the person will burn in hell for all eternity, that is your right and I will never try to take it away from you. What I am opposed to is using religious belief to justify denying to people rights and privileges that I enjoy simply because I find it immoral or gross. If two gay men love each other and want to get married, none of my business from a legal standpoint. I can try to convince them all I want that they are immoral sinners, but I have no right to deny them the same freedom, love and compassion that I want for myself.
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First of all it is well understood in U.S. law that in First Amendment jurisprudence the mere fact that a civil law harmonizes or agrees with religious beliefs is not grounds for finding an Establishment Clause violation. Certainly, if the civil law granted recognition only to sacramental marriages as defined in the Code of Canon Law of the Catholic Church, this would violate the Establishment Clause. But no law purports to do so.

The Catholic Church did not invent marriage…neither did the state.

Marriage grows out of a natural affinity and complementarity of male and female – in other words, the ways in which one gender completes the other emotionally, spiritually and physically.

This institution of marriage serves first the interests of the persons in the marriage and secondarily the interests of the other participants… children and society at large.

Unions which are essentially different from marriage (one man and one woman permanently committed to each other) will not become marriage simply by taking on the institutional guise. Those involved in same-sex relationships are looking for social validity and legal approval. All of this is understandable, but that simply doesn’t make it possible.
 
how many here believe they are catholic, but feel so called ‘homosexual marriage’ is okay?
 
i would, if i knew how.:o the problem is, people can claim to be catholic, but we really have no idea. i know there are many ‘cafeteria catholics’, but i never understood the concept.
 
kozlosap said:
Since I’m a straight old gal, I have no so called gay agenda. LOL! Having taught High school for thirty five years, I personality witnessed the difference for LGBTQ youth when people started realizing that gay individuals were not a second class group to make fun of, ridicule and hate, but they were their sons, daughter’s, doctors, Teachers and clergy. It appears that you are either very young, or have little experience in the real world except for theories handed down by different people. In this world, out is so easy too devalue an entire group of people until it hits home for you.🙂 I hope I’m wrong, and you are just debating for the sake of debating.
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Yes. It has been the plan for the last 40 years to devalue Christianity and its followers. I watched it happen, step by step. To quote a “book review” I read: “Keep your Bible out of my government.” Christians, especially those with families, had to be attacked by using various legal means. The attacks continue. I saw it. It’s recorded. And only someone unaware of the moral decline of the West is unaware that radicals, anarchists and nihilists started all this. This was all planned to gradually reach this point. The media gradually succumbed and now feeds people 24/7 confusion about marriage and the proper use of human sexuality. And the name calling.

No values, no standards, no right or wrong except by invention. That is called social engineering. It never works out. So many versions have been tried but failed.

Ed
 
i just get tired of people who have ‘catholic’ posted in their info, but spend all their time on these boards arguing against church teaching.
 
tomberg said:
Fine I accept it is wrong according to Catholic teaching. The Catholic Church absolutely has the freedom to teach whatever it wants. But when it comes to civil society., i.e., government, the Catholic Church nor any church should be determining what is legal and what is not. You can think it is immoral and the person will burn in hell for all eternity, that is your right and I will never try to take it away from you. ** What I am opposed to is using religious belief to justify denying to people rights and privileges that I enjoy simply because I find it immoral or gross.** If two gay men love each other and want to get married, none of my business from a legal standpoint. I can try to convince them all I want that they are immoral sinners, but I have no right to deny them the same freedom, love and compassion that I want for myself.
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Surely as a Catholic, you would see Marriage as the wrong institution for 2 men seeking the set of rights associated with Marriage? I have no problems with 2 persons wishing to share assets, provide mutual care, file joint tax returns, and so forth, and there may well be good grounds for the State to accommodate that. But how does that get us to marriage?

One can see some sense in State recognition of the sexual Union of man+woman, in light of it’s special and fundamental significance for the State. But the sexual Union of man+man (for if it is called “marriage”, we undestand it is sexual) - why is this to be treated as though it were the former:confused:
 
bisco1 said:
so, are you explaining why gay marriage is wrong? or are you explaining why it is right?
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I am not taking a position either way. I think it absolutely should be legal according to Civil law as I do not believe that morality and legality need coincide. I think the criteria for civil law should be based upon the Libertarian principle of harm as beautifully articulated by John Stuart Mill. The Church is of course free to teach whatever it wants about homosexual marriage and it is free to not ever officiate a homosexual wedding. Again, if I was gay I would certainly want to have the same civil rights and be free of discrimination that heterosexual people naturally expect and even take for granted. I don’t believe in a Gay agenda and have several gay friends and they have never pushed any agenda that I know of, other than desiring to not have to live as second class citizens. I don’t see anything wrong with that. Again I am not worried about homosexuality because there is no amount of indoctrination that could ever convince me to be gay and I am absolutely of the firm belief that our sexuality is innate and not culturally conditioned. I think we are all somewhere on a spectrum of sexuality from being almost completely or totally heterosexual, to being primarily or totally homosexual.
 
bisco1 said:
i just get tired of people who have ‘catholic’ posted in their info, but spend all their time on these boards arguing against church teaching.
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Me too but I bet there’s a specific reason why they argue against Church teaching. 😉
 
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